Official Name Debate Thread

[gkekoa]

So you're offended by the term "Native American" huh?? And why?? because it makes you feel a certain way!!! Think about that, really, really, think about that........especially when you consider what you've written about yourself and anything that comes before "American"

Here's some of what also offends you........Irish Americans............St. Patrick's Day
Italian Americans.........Columbus Day
German Americans........Oktoberfest
Chinese Americans........Chinese New Year
French Americans..........Mardi-Gras
Native Americans..........Thanksgiving
African Americans......... MLK holiday (inclusive)

Surely you'll find your own lineage belonging to one of the these or other groups who proudly add their connected heritage to the disambiguous term "American." Sorry you offend yourself.

None of those holidays offend me. Why would they? Columbus Day and Thanksgiving are about the founding of this country. MLK is not about blacks...it's about Civil Rights. I celebrate MLK because of the man he was, not the color he was.
St Patrick's Day, Oktoberfest, and Mardi Gras are excuses to get drunk.
Nobody really celebrates Chinese New Year but if they do...it's an excuse to get drunk.

 

[gkekoa]

NONE will abandon their home/favorite team if he changes the name. The few who will are not true fans in either case and are not worthy of calling themselves fans if the wind blows (metaphor) in a different direction. BTW: a Warhawk by definition is "One who believes in war."

Please stop giving the impression that you have the ability or authority to speak for anyone other than yourself. ( You can't go from Redskins to Warhawks. People will find it offensive that we went from saying Redskin to Warhawk because they feel we are saying Indians are savages)

Actually, when you go against the history of your team, you prove not to be a fan of the team.

You prove my point with Warhawk. The Bullets changed their name because of the negative connotation it carried in DC. Do you really think "Warhawk" is less offensive than that?

You may want to learn a thing or two about history of sport's teams before you open your ignorant mouth.

 

[gkekoa]

How about the Washington Scouts...you could still have an Indian logo.

If you are forced to change the name by the PC Police. I think we should abandon the entire Indian Heritage thing as a fuck you very much to them.

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[jimmigan]

Yes there is much equity in the Redskins brand, logo, etc. but Snyder is missing the boat on creating one with just as much, if not, more cachet. All they have to do is put together a group of genuine Native American leaders/representatives and allow them to brainstorm a potential names/logos/etc. that actually does honor their history & heritage. Obviously it would have to be marketable, appealing & inspirational.

Stuff would sell like wildfire.

 

[gkekoa]

Yes there is much equity in the Redskins brand, logo, etc. but Snyder is missing the boat on creating one with just as much, if not, more cachet. All they have to do is put together a group of genuine Native American leaders/representatives and allow them to brainstorm a potential names/logos/etc. that actually does honor their history & heritage. Obviously it would have to be marketable, appealing & inspirational.

Stuff would sell like wildfire.

Yep, the billionaire businessman is missing the boat at business.

If the Redskins are forced to change their name because it's offensive, I say abandon the Indian theme.

 

[jimmigan]

Yep, the billionaire businessman is missing the boat at business.

If the Redskins are forced to change their name because it's offensive, I say abandon the Indian theme.

If? Are you kidding me? Name/logo change is coming whether we like it or not. I don't like it but it's inevitable.

 

[skinsdad62]

If? Are you kidding me? Name/logo change is coming whether we like it or not. I don't like it but it's inevitable.

no its not . it could happen , but who really knows ? do you know how many special interest groups fight for their own position and end up losing ?

just because some sports writers with an agenda think it will doesnt make it so . how many times are those guys wrong with their so -called expert opinions ?

if i had a nickle for every time soccer will be the next big thing i would be rich

the name is what makes the team, the history , everything

hail to the red tails , warriors , blah blah blah just doesnt cut it

you change the name you change the fan base

i dumped the wizzards the minute they caved on the bullets name it wasnt the same

the titans arent the oilers

the rangers arent the senators or twins

the ravens arent the Ex -browns

the pelicans arent the hornets

the thunder arent the sonics

changing the redskins name means its over . the history , the drama , the band , it all goes never to be recaptured

the redtails , redhawks etc will never be the history of the hogs and riggo baugh or jurgy monk green or clark

you and other fans buy that BS about "keeping the history " and its a lie you guys want to lay down and just let the "inevitable " happen

and you guys want to let it go because some "native americans" the vast MINORITY of which are crying about it and refuse to recognize the history of the name ?

its a race baiting money shake down

no true fan would ever lie down and let this stand

i am not the only fan who feels this way

 

[Voxmissa]

Our team's logo and name are doomed

and I don't like it very much. Used to kid around about it and suggest comical replacement names, but it's not funny anymore.

Most fans, and all reasonable people, understand that when the name was given, there was certainly no intent to insult anyone. But we are now at the mercy of people -- and there are more and more of them these days -- who are generally ignorant of history but eager to "get involved in a cause."

See, I don't give a damn whether the average Joe understands what semiotics is, or has ever really thought about who "owns" the meaning of any word. What I give a damn about is that town in Texas who changed its motto from "Hello" to "Heaven-o" because -- I am not making this up -- they thought "hello" derived from "hell." Those people are fools. And I give a damn about the reaction to someone's using "****ardly" in a debate in the DC Council. The speaker was a fool to use the word; he should have anticipated how his audience -- none Ph.D.s in linguistics -- would turn into rabid dogs.

Both of these examples show that what's at work is a woeful lack of experience, judgment, and wisdom. In plain language, we are screwed. The fools have megaphones. They'll get coverage on TV tonight; we won't. And really, guys, it's only a matter of time now. It's saddening to watch this happen and be unable to fight the monumental slop of stupidity behind it.

End of rant. Funny thing, I don't really feel any better.

 

[nano5]

I'm right there with you. I really didn't think it would happen until the past couple months. I don't like it at all. Partially because I've been a Redskins' fan for as long as I can remember and partially because of the people that want to speak out just to be on TV and partially for the seeming monetary intentions behind the movement.

I'm not sure if I heard this correctly, but it sounded like the location of Oneida organization in New York is within a mile of a High School team with the nickname 'Redskins' and that school has not been contacted at all about a name change, yet they target the Washington Redskins.

I've heard the terms Cowboy and Giant used in derogatory manners more than I have heard Redskin. Now, admittedly, I've always lived in the EST, so if this is a CST/MST/PST slur, then I may not have an appreciation of it.

Anyway, I'm not looking forward to a change. I'm not sure how I will react if/when it is changed. The way the NFL is changing, it might be the straw.

 

[lhagen931]

I have no problem whatsoever with the Redskins logo or their team nickname.

 

[Krusheasy]

this post belongs here
http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/washington-redskins/118262-official-name-debate-thread.html

 

[nano5]

Yes there is much equity in the Redskins brand, logo, etc. but Snyder is missing the boat on creating one with just as much, if not, more cachet. All they have to do is put together a group of genuine Native American leaders/representatives and allow them to brainstorm a potential names/logos/etc. that actually does honor their history & heritage. Obviously it would have to be marketable, appealing & inspirational.

Stuff would sell like wildfire.

Actually, that is what happened 80 years ago...

 

[Mustard Tiger]

I am 100% in favor of keeping the name! In fact I know I would not support a castrated version called the redhawks, red-legged tarantulas, red snappers, or red rockets. The history is over. They would be better off moving to another town, and maybe DC could get a new team. Maybe call the new team the Washington Slopes and have a graph with y=mx+b on their helmets.

 

[Stymietee]

Actually, when you go against the history of your team, you prove not to be a fan of the team.

You prove my point with Warhawk. The Bullets changed their name because of the negative connotation it carried in DC. Do you really think "Warhawk" is less offensive than that?

You may want to learn a thing or two about history of sport's teams before you open your ignorant mouth.

It's hard to believe that you wrote this moronic response, idiot!!! It is clear that you are no fan of this team because you go out of your way to base your positions on unsupportable premises.

That said, the history of the team is and will always be what it is, that does not change with a mascot change. Here's how to prove it to yourself. Let's say that there is a name change, does this mean that individual records are only attributable to the former team ........OR........to the Washington franchise (no matter what it's called)?

Secondarily, please learn what words (names) mean, or at least look them up. Yes "Warhawks" would be less offensive because by definition it is a political term meaning supporters or believers of war.

Finally, it is extremely possible that I have forgotten more general history and specific sports history than you have ever known. If you want to attack someone as ignorant, there is an idiot that you might want to begin matching wits with..........all you'll need is a mirror.

 

[skinsdad62]

no its not . it could happen , but who really knows ? do you know how many special interest groups fight for their own position and end up losing ?

just because some sports writers with an agenda think it will doesnt make it so . how many times are those guys wrong with their so -called expert opinions ?

if i had a nickle for every time soccer will be the next big thing i would be rich

the name is what makes the team, the history , everything

hail to the red tails , warriors , blah blah blah just doesnt cut it

you change the name you change the fan base

i dumped the wizzards the minute they caved on the bullets name it wasnt the same

the titans arent the oilers

the rangers arent the senators or twins

the ravens arent the Ex -browns

the pelicans arent the hornets

the thunder arent the sonics

changing the redskins name means its over . the history , the drama , the band , it all goes never to be recaptured

the redtails , redhawks etc will never be the history of the hogs and riggo baugh or jurgy monk green or clark

you and other fans buy that BS about "keeping the history " and its a lie you guys want to lay down and just let the "inevitable " happen

and you guys want to let it go because some "native americans" the vast MINORITY of which are crying about it and refuse to recognize the history of the name ?

its a race baiting money shake down

no true fan would ever lie down and let this stand

i am not the only fan who feels this way

read this stymie . you change the name you lose the history period . it is a new franchise

now no more name calling . you dont like whats being said make an argument but personal attacks on other posters isnt allowed

it is in my visitors should read this thread

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[skinsdad62]

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ralph nadre needs to stick to politics and leave football alone . no one in 1935 had ANYTHING to do with what happened when the french and spaniards arrived in the late 1400's . i wont get into how every Latino can trace his or her history back to spain or portugal

 

[gkekoa]

Does anybody refer to Indians as "redskins" as a slur? Hell no.

Why is it anybody's fault, other than the individual, for dependency?

What is the origin of the word Redskin? According to the Head of Linguistics, at the Smithsonian Institute, the name originated with the "Indians."

 

[Krusheasy]

to play devils advocate with you for a momment, lol

Does anybody refer to Indians as "redskins" as a slur? Hell no.

I had never heard of anyone use that word in that way myself either ... however during the symposium the Smithsonian at the beginning of the year there was an online chat with alot of NA from Oklahoma saying that the rednecks down south do use the word Redskins often as a slur. Was kind of a surprise to me, too .... but I wouldn't put anything past a southerner.

What is the origin of the word Redskin? According to the Head of Linguistics, at the Smithsonian Institute, the name originated with the "Indians."

This argument doesn't really work because the meaning of words change over time. For example ... the N word stems from the Latin word for black ... however the meaning has changed over time.