Why Oregon fans will never get it

[MellowYellow]

There are plenty of big men with quit in them. That's why the best fighters come from tough backgrounds.

Not in the UFC

 

[trojanfan12]

It has more to do with their shitty instate recruiting and the fact that the boys that grow up around there are softer than the facilities new color scheme. Great programs start at the base, the base is instate recruiting.

Seem to be an awful lot of players on the 'Bama roster that are not from Alabama!!

 

[BamaInHoustonRTR]

yep, no all about that. Grew up in a tiny ass logger town.

Ive done a lot of hard work myself. Worked for a tree cutting company, hauling a lot of huge ass logs in the texas heat on dollys. Then for a service company that did a lot of shit jobs for the local railroads. About to go back to school to earn a skill. Ive learned if you want to work in todays economy you have to have an elite degree or a needed skill. Or you can beat your to shit.

 

[yeodonie]

Tradition and history are built, which means they have to start someplace!! Perhaps Oregon is building theirs now!! At some point all programs were like Oregon. A new, "upstart" that the existing "traditional teams" of the time, thought wouldn't last!! Instead they stuck around and eventually developed tradition and history!!

Maybe Oregon will fade back in to anonymity and never "get it" as you suggest or maybe 50 years from now, some Oregon fan will be starting a thread stating that some other schools' fans will never "get it"!!

Only time will tell!! In the meantime, why not just let Duck fans enjoy their success and see if they can sustain it long enough to have "tradition"!!

Besides, love them or hate them, they're damn fun to watch!!

And starting threads like this leads to them using the term "jelly" for jealous and I HATE that!!

I like this guy. Damnit

 

[RegentDenali]

This thread has turned into a predictable homer and conf homer circular argument.

My own finalized thoughts.

The best college programs now and going forward, it's about 1) facilities & 2) tradition and history for your fans to embrace and be prideful of 3) Ws via coaching and SA talent. 4) Professionally managed athletic dept. All matter. It's how you got to get it done.

You got to have all if you want to have sustained success at the collegiate level. Facilities do matter to recruiting. They matter big time these days because you got to have all your bases covered to get it done. Ignore what the other members of your conf and nationally are building at your own peril.

And yes, Oregon is an extreme example of an attempt to buy a championship, but they are dealing with an extremely different dynamic as a school than say a Michigan, OU, or Alabama. As a Husky we laugh at a lot of the overkill gimmicky stuff they do and glad we don't blindly embrace that, but we know you still need the facilities and a modern approach running your programs or your going to get your pants pulled down a lot.

Gawd. Bring on football season.

 

[BamaInHoustonRTR]

Seem to be an awful lot of players on the 'Bama roster that are not from Alabama!!

But we still have a strong core of Bama players and they are highly productive on the team. Espn just did a piece on it recently about which states produce the top talent and Alabama pound for pound was at the top.

 

[MellowYellow]

Ive done a lot of hard work myself. Worked for a tree cutting company, hauling a lot of huge ass logs in the texas heat on dollys. Then for a service company that did a lot of shit jobs for the local railroads. About to go back to school to earn a skill. Ive learned if you want to work in todays economy you have to have an elite degree or a needed skill. Or you can beat your to shit.

Or you can be a salesman like the rest of us with regular degrees. The tenured guys at my company make 7 figures.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Ive done a lot of hard work myself. Worked for a tree cutting company, hauling a lot of huge ass logs in the texas heat on dollys. Then for a service company that did a lot of shit jobs for the local railroads. About to go back to school to earn a skill. Ive learned if you want to work in todays economy you have to have an elite degree or a needed skill. Or you can beat your to shit.

Yeah I figured that out early. Growing up in Willamina Oregon it was Bucking hay in the summers and werking illegally setting chokers on the weekends in the woods during the school year.

That is why I went to school. Very dangerous occupation that loggin bidness.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Yea, you and others have never done that with the south!

I have always been respectable to where one lives. To me it is a stupid ass comment to make light of where one lives. WHether its West Coast, Down South, Midwest, or East Coast.

I am an equal opportunity caller outer of dumb. Dont matter where you are from.

 

[BamaInHoustonRTR]

Or you can be a salesman like the rest of us with regular degrees. The tenured guys at my company make 7 figures.

Very nice.

 

[trojanfan12]

But we still have a strong core of Bama players and they are highly productive on the team. Espn just did a piece on it recently about which states produce the top talent and Alabama pound for pound was at the top.

Not saying Alabama doesn't have a strong base, but chiding other schools for using out of state talent seems a bit hypocritical when 60 players on your current team are not from Alabama!!

Oregon, like Alabama, is a small state, so they would have to build a sizeable chunk of their roster from outside of their own state (as opposed to USC or Texas who have a much larger population to draw from and have mostly homegrown talent) in order to be competitive!! The difference is, that Alabama has a long history of success which encourages young boys in Alabama to become good football players and hopefully play for the Tide one day!!

Assuming Oregon can maintain their success, it will likely lead to young boys who grow up in Oregon wanting to be Ducks!! That is where your strong recruiting base comes from!!

 

[GoBlueNavyNuke]

They started building the program in 1999 and have made upgrades, etc. along the way!! However, this facility that they are so proud of was built after they were already a nationally competitive program!!

The purpose of the facility is to maintain the momentum they already got going, not to start momentum!! If these facilities attract a couple of top level recruits that they otherwise might not get, it will make a huge difference in keeping them nationally relevant!!

As I said earlier in the thread, Oregon does not have the tradition and history of schools like Michigan, USC, 'Bama, etc. but that doesn't mean they can't get it!!

There was a time that the Michigan's, USC's and 'Bama's of the world were sitting exactly where Oregon is right now!! I believe that the point of these facilities is so that they can remain relevant and create their own tradition and history like the aforementioned "storied" programs!!

There is some truth to this, but the powers of today also benefited from the powers of yesteryear tapping out. When Michigan et al were where Oregon is today the powers of the time were names like Yale, Harvard and Chicago. So why aren't those programs powers anymore? Because they choose not to be. They de-emphasized football and athletics in general for academics. As such that left a void to be filled by Michigan, Alabama, and USC. Now today those programs aren't going anywhere so there is going to be no void to fill (that's what she said ) so programs like Oregon have an uphill climb.

 

[MellowYellow]

Very nice.

LOL

Sales is my only skillset. If it weren't for this, I don't know what line of work I'd be in.

 

[MellowYellow]

There is some truth to this, but the powers of today also benefited from the powers of yesteryear tapping out. When Michigan et al were where Oregon is today the powers of the time were names like Yale, Harvard and Chicago. So why aren't those programs powers anymore? Because they choose not to be. They de-emphasized football and athletics in general for academics. As such that left a void to be filled by Michigan, Alabama, and USC. Now today those programs aren't going anywhere so there is going to be no void to fill (that's what she said ) so programs like Oregon have an uphill climb.

Not with Phil Knights money

 

[trojanfan12]

There is some truth to this, but the powers of today also benefited from the powers of yesteryear tapping out. When Michigan et al were where Oregon is today the powers of the time were names like Yale, Harvard and Chicago. So why aren't those programs powers anymore? Because they choose not to be. They de-emphasized football and athletics in general for academics. As such that left a void to be filled by Michigan, Alabama, and USC. Now today those programs aren't going anywhere so there is going to be no void to fill (that's what she said ) so programs like Oregon have an uphill climb.

I agree with much of this!! My point is that what has happened at Oregon is something they have been building and are continuing to try and build!! As I've pointed out previously, when USC was having our run under Pete Carroll, Oregon was quietly building their program (although truth to tell, they actually started a couple of years before PC arrived).

When USC got hit with sanctions, Oregon stepped into that void!! The question now is whether or not they can sustain it and if so, at what level!! Oregon may eventually go back to anonymity, but I'll bet they won't go quietly and it won't be as quickly as some seem to think!!

 

[BamaInHoustonRTR]

The difference is, that Alabama has a long history of success which encourages young boys in Alabama to become good football players and hopefully play for the Tide one day!!

High school football in the state of Alabama is huge. It starts at the early ages and works its way up and everyone at every level takes it very serious. It produces not only good WRs and RBs but very strong and agile lineman which is the core of every football team. UofA is able to start with best of the core from the state every years and then see what they need to go outside of state to get in addition. Some years are more elite than others but even "the not elite players (3 stars)" tend to turn out more so then most states, according to the Espn article.

And I was not chiding... I was pointing out a very strong point.

 

[BamaInHoustonRTR]

LOL

Sales is my only skillset. If it weren't for this, I don't know what line of work I'd be in.

Well we are a consumer based economy so its a nice skill to have once you have the resume to match.

 

[trojanfan12]

High school football in the state of Alabama is huge. It starts at the early ages and works its way up and everyone at every level takes it very serious. It produces not only good WRs and RBs but very strong and agile lineman which is the core of every football team. UofA is able to start with best of the core from the state every years and then see what they need to go outside of state to get in addition. Some years are more elite than others but even "the not elite players (3 stars)" tend to turn out more so then most states, according to the Espn article.

And I was not chiding... I was pointing out a very strong point.

Yeah, chiding was my word!! My point is that perhaps Oregon's success can breed that same sense of seriousness in Oregon that it does in Alabama!! A successful major college football program can have a tremendous effect on high school football in any state!! Even in a state the size of California, the success that USC has had over the years has most of the top high school talent wanting to be Trojans!!

If the success of Oregon's football team does that, then they will have that strong in state recruiting base that Alabama has!!

 

[BamaInHoustonRTR]

If the success of Oregon's football team does that, then they will have that strong in state recruiting base that Alabama has!!

Ok buddy. Ill count the days until Oregon becomes a juggernaut for high school football with all of the super athletes with a couple hundred years of genetics to do it. See you in 2113.

 

[LawDawg]

It won't take much for Oregon to fail. Like I keep saying, you can't buy kids with facilities.

Way cool facilities v. a rusty nail - an 18 year old kid. I'm going with the cool facilities.

You make less and less sense with each post, which is hard considering how bad the OP was.