I have my reservations on the Detroit Lions

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Zeitler and Ragnow are huge losses. I liked Ratledge coming out of Georgia and I hear good things about Mahogany, but those are some big shoes to fill. I am not so sure the lions are going to be so automatic running the football this year. If Hutch doesn’t come back 100%, I could see a disaster year for the lions given how tough their division and schedule are.

 

[Mebert]

Zeitler and Ragnow are huge losses. I liked Ratledge coming out of Georgia and I hear good things about Mahogany, but those are some big shoes to fill. I am not so sure the lions are going to be so automatic running the football this year. If Hutch doesn’t come back 100%, I could see a disaster year for the lions given how tough their division and schedule are.

Mahogany's play at the end of the season was a big part of letting Zeitler walk. He was pretty damn good, but easier to do when you are between Sewell and Ragnow.

I am actually most worried about the one returning guy, Glasgow was slipping by end of the year. He is a replacement level at best at this point.

 

[Mebert]

That was after the 2023 season, not last year.

I am aware, I said it multiple times in my post. I am hopeful he continues, but the fact remains he has 1 year in his entire career that he was not terrible. In that year he had the second best line in football and an elite OC.

I hope last year is his new normal, but you can't pretend that there is not a good chance last year was an outlier. He has 8 years as a liability under pressure, and 1 as a threat.

 

[Xeliou66]

Zeitler and Ragnow are huge losses. I liked Ratledge coming out of Georgia and I hear good things about Mahogany, but those are some big shoes to fill. I am not so sure the lions are going to be so automatic running the football this year. If Hutch doesn’t come back 100%, I could see a disaster year for the lions given how tough their division and schedule are.

Only way the year is a disaster for the Lions is if the injury bug bites hard again IMO. They have way too much talent to be a subpar team even with the very hard (at least on paper now) schedule.

 

[belcherboy]

I am aware, I said it multiple times in my post. I am hopeful he continues, but the fact remains he has 1 year in his entire career that he was not terrible. In that year he had the second best line in football and an elite OC.

I hope last year is his new normal, but you can't pretend that there is not a good chance last year was an outlier. He has 8 years as a liability under pressure, and 1 as a threat.

Stop it! He has not been “terrible” his entire career except last year. The guy has made it to two NFC championship games on two different teams, won 15 games in a season and a Super Bowl in 3 different seasons.

I don’t care how good your teams are, you don’t do any of that with a “terrible” QB.

It’s amazing how he was the QB when two terrible teams suddenly became high achieving playoff teams, yet he gets zero credit for it. It’s like they achieved it in spite of him.

 

[Mebert]

Stop it! He has not been “terrible” his entire career except last year. The guy has made it to two NFC championship games on two different teams, won 15 games in a season and a Super Bowl in 3 different seasons.

I don’t care how good your teams are, you don’t do any of that with a “terrible” QB.

It’s amazing how he was the QB when two terrible teams suddenly became high achieving playoff teams, yet he gets zero credit for it. It’s like they achieved it in spite of him.

When your entire point revolves around purposefully ignoring half of my point you have lost the argument. I never once said he was terrible, I said he has historically been terrible with pressure. I also said he was elite without it. That is not an opinion, it is backed up by stats.

I know you got my point, because you acknowledged he improved on it last year. Kind of bizarre to try and ignore something you already admitted less than an hour ago to try and make a point

 

[belcherboy]

When your entire point revolves around purposefully ignoring half of my point you have lost the argument. I never once said he was terrible, I said he has historically been terrible with pressure. I also said he was elite without it. That is not an opinion, it is backed up by stats.

I know you got my point, because you acknowledged he improved on it last year. Kind of bizarre to try and ignore something you already admitted less than an hour ago to try and make a point

You said “the fact remains he has 1 year in his entire career that he was not terrible.”

That’s FAR from a fact.

 

[Mebert]

You said “the fact remains he has 1 year in his entire career that he was not terrible.”

That’s FAR from a fact.

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I did say that.....in a reply to you talking about his improvement against pressure in 2024. As I was clearly talking about the pressure aspect it is absolutely a fact.

 

[belcherboy]

I did say that.....in a reply to you talking about his improvement against pressure in 2024. As I was clearly talking about the pressure aspect it is absolutely a fact.

According to statmuse, Goff ranked in the top 10 of passing rating under pressure in each of the past 3 seasons. Here he is ranked #9 in 2023.


In 2022 he had even better numbers at 99.3.



Obviously he was fantastic last season with a 111.8.



He hasn’t been terrible for all but one season. He really has been a great QB in Detroit, and I don’t believe it was all because of a coach or his team. He played a BIG role in Detroits transformation the past 3 seasons to being a top 5 NFL team during that timeframe.

 

[Mebert]

According to statmuse, Goff ranked in the top 10 of passing rating under pressure in each of the past 3 seasons. Here he is ranked #9 in 2023.

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In 2022 he had even better numbers at 99.3.

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Obviously he was fantastic last season with a 111.8.

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He hasn’t been terrible for all but one season. He really has been a great QB in Detroit, and I don’t believe it was all because of a coach or his team. He played a BIG role in Detroits transformation the past 3 seasons to being a top 5 NFL team during that timeframe.

Your stat is showing his rtg for the entire season regardless of pressure. Sure you had the prompt, but maybe you should double check your results before posting in the future. You can verify, just look up Goff stats as a whole, they are identical to your posting

In 2023 his passer rating against pressure was 64.3

Here is his under pressure in 2022:

Figure	Rank (of 36)
QB Rating	56.2	28th
Completion %	40.2	32nd
EPA per pressure play	-0.41	t-22nd

 

[belcherboy]

Your stat is showing his rtg for the entire season regardless of pressure. Sure you had the prompt, but maybe you should double check your results before posting in the future. You can verify, just look up Goff stats as a whole, they are identical to your posting

In 2023 his passer rating against pressure was 64.3

Here is his under pressure in 2022:

Figure	Rank (of 36)
QB Rating	56.2	28th
Completion %	40.2	32nd
EPA per pressure play	-0.41	t-22nd

Good call! Probably should have looked at the numbers before posting them

Thanks for not beating me up too much! Have a great night.

 

[Mebert]

Good call! Probably should have looked at the numbers before posting them

Thanks for not beating me up too much! Have a great night.

Couldn't have too much snark, I spent a solid 20 minutes trying to figure out how a basic stat devastated my argument.

Have a good night.

 

[broncosmitty]

Look at my fellow Lions fans…


Being all respectful adult en sech.

 

[Moab]

I'll post this for about the 10th time. If you're expecting the 3 top NFC north teams of 2024 to have the same type of records in 2025 you're crazy, high or just unrealistic. None of the teams are the same and they're not playing the same schedule or timing of the schedule. I'll go out on a limb and say 2 max make the playoffs in 2025, and just hope one of them resides at Lambeau Field.

 

[Moab]

Look at my fellow Lions fans…


Being all respectful adult en sech.

LOL. I'll be fair and honest about it though, you guys do have some of the best fans on the hoop and in general when I do actually interact with them in person, even though I'm a Packers' fan through and through.

 

[broncosmitty]

LOL. I'll be fair and honest about it though, you guys do have some of the best fans on the hoop and in general when I do actually interact with them in person, even though I'm a Packers' fan through and through.

Real good football fans. Practical people.

Had some great times at games with Packer fans.