2012 season thread

[fordman84]

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Cliff Lee placed on waivers. Wonder if anyone is stupid enough to claim him (that contract) outright?

If I were Texas i would. There is NO CHANCE they let Lee walk for nothing. If they did, so be it. I'd take Lee for no prospects.

 

[fordman84]

newberg also makes a good point here about olt being called up....

Jamey Newberg‏@NewbergReport

Interesting part here is with Olt now in bigs, he's off limits unless optioned this week. @JeffPassan Cliff on revocable trade waivers.

hmmmmm.....

Newberg needs to step it up to my level

 

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Olt starts at first tonight.

 

[bone3421]

i still dont want lee unless the front office says hell we might as well jump the payroll up to 180 mil .....dont want lee to take others money

 

[romeo212000]

The only way I'd take him is if Philly ate about 25-30 million of that contract.

 

[jta4437]

Big Pass on Lee if taking the whole contract

 

[scotsman1948]

The only way I'd take him is if Philly ate about 25-30 million of that contract.

have to agree, unless Philly eats 25M minimum i pass

 

[Senator_fan]

have to agree, unless Philly eats 25M minimum i pass

I don't think Philly wants to eat anything. After these last two wins I wonder if anybody has made a call to Ray Davis and Bob Simpson. I know Ryan would love to have him.

Without a true ace and Colby the playoff ace I don't see how the Rangers can advance very far in the playoffs. You know you're in trouble if starting Scott Feldman in a game one has passed through your mind.

 

[Hambombs]

I don't think Philly wants to eat anything. After these last two wins I wonder if anybody has made a call to Ray Davis and Bob Simpson. I know Ryan would love to have him.

Without a true ace and Colby the playoff ace I don't see how the Rangers can advance very far in the playoffs. You know you're in trouble if starting Scott Feldman in a game one has passed through your mind.

Yep yu and holland worry me. Although i think one of the 2 will get it together and i think yu can and hopefully holland

 

[Hambombs]

newberg also makes a good point here about olt being called up....

Jamey Newberg‏@NewbergReport

Interesting part here is with Olt now in bigs, he's off limits unless optioned this week. @JeffPassan Cliff on revocable trade waivers.

hmmmmm.....

What does cliff lee have to do with mike olt?

 

[WilltheThrill]

What does cliff lee have to do with mike olt?

By putting Lee on waivers, the Phillies are basically making Lee eligible to be traded to any team provided he clears waivers. Olt was rumored to be a piece that the Phillies wanted in a trade for Lee. Well, now that Mike Olt is with the big league team, he can't be traded for Lee unless he is optioned to the minors again (because the non-waiver trade deadline has passed). In other words, he would be off-limits to Philly.

 

[Hambombs]

By putting Lee on waivers, the Phillies are basically making Lee eligible to be traded to any team provided he clears waivers. Olt was rumored to be a piece that the Phillies wanted in a trade for Lee. Well, now that Mike Olt is with the big league team, he can't be traded for Lee unless he is optioned to the minors again (because the non-waiver trade deadline has passed). In other words, he would be off-limits to Philly.

So if we did make a claim martin perez could be headlining the package assuming they pick up some money?

 

[fordman84]

By putting Lee on waivers, the Phillies are basically making Lee eligible to be traded to any team provided he clears waivers. Olt was rumored to be a piece that the Phillies wanted in a trade for Lee. Well, now that Mike Olt is with the big league team, he can't be traded for Lee unless he is optioned to the minors again (because the non-waiver trade deadline has passed). In other words, he would be off-limits to Philly.

DOes an option to the minors include a pass through waivers? Because that is the only way Olt, or Perez, could be dealt in a Lee trade. They would have to now go through waivers and neither would make it through. The only other option would be to trade Lee for a bunch of PTBNL.

 

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So if we did make a claim martin perez could be headlining the package assuming they pick up some money?

No... Perez is on the 40 man roster. Any player on the 40 man must clear waivers right now in order to be traded.

No way him, olt or grimm clear waivers.

 

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DOes an option to the minors include a pass through waivers? Because that is the only way Olt, or Perez, could be dealt in a Lee trade. They would have to now go through waivers and neither would make it through. The only other option would be to trade Lee for a bunch of PTBNL.

Which are the guys in the minors....not on the 40 man. (IE...profar, buckel, alfaro, etc)

So yeah, dont count on Lee coming here.

 

[fordman84]

Which are the guys in the minors....not on the 40 man. (IE...profar, buckel, alfaro, etc)

So yeah, dont count on Lee coming here.

are you saying PTBNL are guys in the minors? PTBNL are guys that are on the 40 man and won't clear waivers, so they are listed as "named later" as in after the season when they can be traded outright. The guys you listed are not on the 40 man, so they could be named now.

 

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are you saying PTBNL are guys in the minors? PTBNL are guys that are on the 40 man and won't clear waivers, so they are listed as "named later" as in after the season when they can be traded outright. The guys you listed are not on the 40 man, so they could be named now.

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All guys on the 40 man...must clear waivers.

That said, If I remember correctly...there was something about a player being named later....but he cant play on the big league club for the rest of the season. Forget where I saw that though. I'm looking for it.

 

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Newberg Report, July 31

And yes, Lee will slide all the way through the National League and then most likely all the way through the American League for Texas to make a prevailing revocable waivers claim in August. But two things there: (1) Philadelphia can make a Randy Myers maneuver and just convey the entire Lee contract to the Rangers, with Texas having no right to say no (the more likely scenario is that the Rangers let him slide all the way through waivers so that this can’t happen); and (2) just as Lee would have to clear waivers, so would anybody on the 40-man roster that the Phillies would demand from Texas.



Olt and Cody Buckel and Chad Bell and Leury Garcia and Jorge Alfaro and dozens of others – no problem, as they’re not on the 40-man roster.



But Perez and Leonys Martin and Justin Grimm and Tanner Scheppers and Engel Beltre are. No American League team is going to let those guys get by them on August waivers.



Could those guys be players to be named later, not identified until after the season? Yes. But the rules only allow that if they don’t appear in the big leagues between the day of the trade and the day that it’s finalized. Would Texas be willing to park Perez or Martin or Scheppers in AAA in August and especially in September when rosters expand and there’s a benefit to having a deeper bullpen and some speed on the bench?



Lee could be traded in August. But the universe of players Philadelphia could get in return is greater today.



There are reports this morning that the talks between the Rangers and Cubs that led to last night’s Soto trade might have branched off to include righthanders Matt Garza and Ryan Dempster, the first of whom is sidelined with a triceps thing and the latter of whom is a rental. Even if the Rangers are interested, they won’t be alone, and the issue, like with Greinke, will be whether Texas wants to pay Chicago’s price.


So technically, yes, Perez could be a PTBNL...but he could not be called up for the rest of the season.

 

[huskers1217]

Hey guys. I don't want to make a thread about this but I hope and pray josh can beat his demons

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