2025 NBA Draft Talk

[fightinfunbags]

lol

No it isn't. It's not easy at all. Too many people would have to be involved.

Nope. One person outside of the highest levels of the league office. I already addressed this. All one needs is a foreign substance on the ping pong balls and it ensures the machine picks those balls.

You're contention is that...for what?...30 plus years now? No one became disgruntled...No one felt the need to clear their conscience...no one had any financial difficulties and needed a quick influx of cash...no one decided to write a book?

My contention is that the NBA is a crooked operation that can’t be trusted and has been caught manipulating results in the past. I’m saying that league can’t be trusted.

You say "I'm not claiming anything is rigged"...but the NBA is corrupt.

Pick a lane.

The world is full of nuance. I’m sorry that you need to oversimplify things into either/or all or nothing constructs in order to make sense of it but it’s not my failing; it’s yours.

I’m saying I don’t have evidence that the lottery is rigged and therefore I’m not going to definitely say that it’s rigged. I’m saying that I can’t say it’s not rigged. I can’t say it’s not likely rigged because once trust is destroyed it’s very very difficult to get it back. The NBA is a corrupt league.

 

[dtgold88]

In a sense, they pull numbers that then represent a pattern that is matched to the corect team

correct...and first numbers they pull are the winner.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Are you talking about the evidence that in post #331 you said you don't have?

Donaghy. You good? I thought that was pretty clear.

 

[dtgold88]

Im not of the belief many situations have been rigged. Durant was the 2 fyi.

Yep...and they made Seattle the 1 who could have taken Oden or Durant.

 

[fightinfunbags]

lol

Yeah, there's nothing more logical and/or rational than believing something that you have no evidence to prove happened/is happening.

Exactly. You have no evidence that this is a fair process that is free of manipulation. You’re just going on faith.

 

[dtgold88]

Nope. One person outside of the highest levels of the league office. I already addressed this. All one needs is a foreign substance on the ping pong balls and it ensures the machine picks those balls.

My contention is that the NBA is a crooked operation that can’t be trusted and has been caught manipulating results in the past. I’m saying that league can’t be trusted.

The world is full of nuance. I’m sorry that you need to oversimplify things into either/or all or nothing constructs in order to make sense of it but it’s not failing; it’s yours.

I’m saying I don’t have evidence that the lottery is rigged and therefore I’m not going to definitely say that it’s rigged. I’m saying that I can’t say it’s not rigged. I can’t say it’s not likely rigged because once trust is destroyed it’s very very difficult to get it back. The NBA is a corrupt league.

Want to be clear in this tinfoil hat universe is one person deciding this needs to be rigged and hiring one other person to manipulate the substance onto and pick the right lottery balls?

Is the league - meaning the other teams - aware/behind it?

 

[dtgold88]

Exactly. You have no evidence that this is a fair process that is free of manipulation. You’re just going on faith.

Going on what we do know.....and seems incredibly absurd all those other lottery teams would just say, "sure...we don't need a chance."

 

[fightinfunbags]

Want to be clear in this tinfoil hat universe is one person deciding this needs to be rigged and hiring one other person to manipulate the substance onto and pick the right lottery balls?

It could be Adam Silver and a handful of others at the top of the league office. They would only need to grease the palm of the person pulling the ping pong balls.

Is the league - meaning the other teams - aware/behind it?

Not likely.

 

[trojanfan12]

Nope. One person outside of the highest levels of the league office. I already addressed this. All one needs is a foreign substance on the ping pong balls and it ensures the machine picks those balls.

And of course, those handling the ping pong balls wouldn't notice and question a "foreign substance" on them. Tell us, what is this magical "foreign substance".

My contention is that the NBA is a crooked operation that can’t be trusted and has been caught manipulating results in the past. I’m saying that league can’t be trusted.

And yet, in 30+ years...not one person involved has come forward with even an accusation...let alone evidence.

The world is full of nuance. I’m sorry that you need to oversimplify things into either/or all or nothing constructs in order to make sense of it but it’s not failing; it’s yours.

Believing it's rigged (while also claiming that you're not saying it's rigged) isn't nuance. It's a desperate attempt to cling to a n

I’m saying I don’t have evidence that the lottery is rigged and therefore I’m not going to definitely say that it’s rigged. I’m saying that I can’t say it’s not rigged. I can’t say it’s not likely rigged because once trust is destroyed it’s very very difficult to get it back. The NBA is a corrupt league.

Pick a lane Mr. Both Sides

 

[fightinfunbags]

Going on what we do know.....and seems incredibly absurd all those other lottery teams would just say, "sure...we don't need a chance."

That’s because in your mind you’ve made my argument that all 30+ teams are involved in this. I never said that. You’ve assumed this is the case and just attached that to an argument I haven’t made.

 

[trojanfan12]

Donaghy. You good? I thought that was pretty clear.

lol

And as was pointed out...that was exposed because *double checks notes*

People couldn't keep their mouths shut.

 

[fightinfunbags]

And of course, those handling the ping pong balls wouldn't notice and question a "foreign substance" on them. Tell us, what is this magical "foreign substance".

One person would have to be bought.

And yet, in 30+ years...not one person involved has come forward with even an accusation...let alone evidence.

And? This doesn’t constitute evidence this isn’t manipulated.

Believing it's rigged (while also claiming that you're not saying it's rigged) isn't nuance. It's a desperate attempt to cling to a n

It absolutely is nuance

Pick a lane Mr. Both Sides

I have.

 

[fightinfunbags]

lol

And as was pointed out...that was exposed because *double checks notes*

People couldn't keep their mouths shut.

What do you think this proves?

 

[dtgold88]

There are 3 spurs picks

Ewing

Wiggins

Lebron himself

Zion

Brow pick

Elton brand

It’s bad

why's the league so in love with markets like Cleveland, SA and NO?

 

[dtgold88]

Bron?

Detroit nearly got Bron because of Otis Thorpe lol. That would have been funny shit.

Is that when they took Milicic over Wade or Melo?

 

[Shanemansj13]

That’s because in your mind you’ve made my argument that all 30+ teams are involved in this. I never said that. You’ve assumed this is the case and just attached that to an argument I haven’t made.

So if it's rigged than Silver and his associates go to these team(s) every year or whenever they believe it will benefit them and bribe them? So eventually over the years 10-12+ management of teams know of this process and just keep quiet...I guess that is the logic here. Even former employees that are no longer in charge or have moved on. Everyone is hush hush...that doesn't seem very reasonable. Rumors spread and it only takes one guy. The fact there is no story or rumor for the last 30+ years about this doesn't support your claims.

I am not saying there is NO WAY it is possible very it is extremely unlikely.

 

[trojanfan12]

Exactly. You have no evidence that this is a fair process that is free of manipulation. You’re just going on faith.

lol

I'm going with logic. As in, it would be illogical to risk destroying the league and losing the billions of dollars it makes every year just to make sure a certain player goes to a certain team.

You have zero evidence and zero logic...but believe it anyway.

That is going on faith. But that's the beauty of any conspiracy theory...it's inherently unproveable so you just respond over and over with..."you can't prove it's not happening" while never providing evidence to prove it is.

I don't need to try to prove a negative...it's incumbent on those making the claim to prove it's happening.

 

[Shanemansj13]

why's the league so in love with markets like Cleveland, SA and NO?

Bc they give the best bj's? Maybe even zj's

 

[dtgold88]

So we are supposed to believe that in a 6 year period the Pelicans got the 1 with a 6 percent chance and Dallas got it with a 1.8 percent chance. This is insulting to people’s intelligence.

Isn't it a much lesser chance to win many actual lotteries......yet people do?

 

[trojanfan12]

What do you think this proves?

That scandals get exposed because people can't keep their mouths shut. If people could keep their mouths shut...no one would know about Donaghy.