2025 Patriots Draft

[BigKen]

Personally, I would rather see Jeanty and Simmons.

Nobody would take Jeanty in the top 10. He's not Barkley or McCaffrey. According to the experts on NFLN and ESPN, there are no less than 15 RBs who could break into a starting role with teams. Since most flash quickly and are gone within two or three years, the position has become almost the same as a punter or kicker at the bottom of the 'must have' list. Only punters and kickers have a longer life span in the NFL.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Nobody would take Jeanty in the top 10. He's not Barkley or McCaffrey. According to the experts on NFLN and ESPN, there are no less than 15 RBs who could break into a starting role with teams. Since most flash quickly and are gone within two or three years, the position has become almost the same as a punter or kicker at the bottom of the 'must have' list. Only punters and kickers have a longer life span in the NFL.

Many pundits (Talking Heads...Clickbait writers) are also claiming he may just be the next Barry Sanders.

While I don't like him at #4, I would definitely use a first round on him if we traded back.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Nobody would take Jeanty in the top 10. He's not Barkley or McCaffrey. According to the experts on NFLN and ESPN, there are no less than 15 RBs who could break into a starting role with teams. Since most flash quickly and are gone within two or three years, the position has become almost the same as a punter or kicker at the bottom of the 'must have' list. Only punters and kickers have a longer life span in the NFL.

I only agree with your longevity comments.

Not sure what pundits ect you've been listening to, or what reports you've read but Jeanty will certainly go top 10. The only reason he could slip past 10 is that this RB class is very good.

I've already posted his numbers on how he compared to the likes of Barkley, JB..

Also there has been a resurgence of the RB the last few years as teams have started going with lighter and faster Ds to stay with the faster receivers and TEs.

I don't want to take him at 4, but if someone inside the top 10 doesn't want to trade up I'm taking him at 4.

 

[BigKen]

Not sure what pundits ect you've been listening to, or what reports you've read but Jeanty will certainly go top 10. The only reason he could slip past 10 is that this RB class is very good.

And you just verified their point of view. This RB class is very good. How good will Jeanty be if he gets drafted by a team whose primary offense is the pass and the OL can't run block . Or if get drafted by a team with an OL like the 2024 Patriots?

I can agree with you if, only if, the team that drafts him in the top ten has zero, I mean absolute zero holes in it's offense and defense and needs Jeanty to win the Super Bowl.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

And you just verified their point of view. This RB class is very good. How good will Jeanty be if he gets drafted by a team whose primary offense is the pass and the OL can't run block . Or if get drafted by a team with an OL like the 2024 Patriots?

I can agree with you if, only if, the team that drafts him in the top ten has zero, I mean absolute zero holes in it's offense and defense and needs Jeanty to win the Super Bowl.

I can't see him getting past #6 for the LVRs. His numbers in school were too good. He's a human fire hydrant that can play all 3 downs. He'll be a game changer. NE currently has a better run blocking line. Just saying, I won't be surprised if NE snags him. Day 1 starter no matter who drafts him. It really depends on how a FO grades him. Similar to the question I asked about Ts. Take Cambpell at 4 assuming he's your #1 T. Or take a different T in the 2nd? How much are you willing to potentially give up? Is it worth getting a potential skill player game changer with your first pick to settle on a Tackle that gives up maybe a handful of more sacks and QB pressures as opposed to taking the #1 perceived T?

I'm taking the skill player and the best available T with my next pick.

Run heavy to set up the pass.

 

[BigKen]

I'm taking the skill player and the best available T with my next pick.

Run heavy to set up the pass.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Patriots just have way too many other needs beyond a RB. With Stevenson, Gibson and Jennings I don't see an immediate need for a RB.

 

[Southieinnc]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Patriots just have way too many other needs beyond a RB. With Stevenson, Gibson and Jennings I don't see an immediate need for a RB.

I see a need for a RB but not in round #1

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Patriots just have way too many other needs beyond a RB. With Stevenson, Gibson and Jennings I don't see an immediate need for a RB.

Ok I can live with that.

But, I'm not as sold as you on our RB room. Is part of Stevenson's drop off due to a bad OC and Oline? Or is he aging and losing a step with all the hits he's taken? Was the lack of a real OC and Oline the reason he continued to fumble the rock? We're not winning the SB this year. We need to restock the skill positions. That's why I want Jeanty or Warren.

So who are you taking with the first and 2nd pick?

 

[YankeeRebel]

I see a need for a RB but not in round #1

Exactly and I am not on the Jeanty bandwagon. Its easy to have great numbers when you play scrub teams. It's like being the ugliest chick in the club when some dudes drunk enough he'll take a shot at it

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Ok I can live with that.

But, I'm not as sold as you on our RB room. Is part of Stevenson's drop off due to a bad OC and Oline? Or is he aging and losing a step with all the hits he's taken? Was the lack of a real OC and Oline the reason he continued to fumble the rock? We're not winning the SB this year. We need to restock the skill positions. That's why I want Jeanty or Warren.

So who are you taking with the first and 2nd pick?

I think after Jeanty and Hampton you find a big drop off. So take Skattebo in the 3rd and hope he can bring you #1 touches? Assuming he's there? Or do you reach for him in the 2nd? NE needs a playmaker.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Exactly and I am not on the Jeanty bandwagon. Its easy to have great numbers when you play scrub teams. It's like being the ugliest chick in the club when some dudes drunk enough he'll take a shot at it

You play who's on your schedul right? His numbers speak for themselves. 100 against PSU almost 200 against OR.

 

[cheerupcharlie]

I love Jeanty. I am a homer because I live in Boise. The Patriots need playmakers. He’s the best in this draft. When was the last time the experts have predicted a RB to go top ten? Doesn’t happen often. He’s built like a tank and runs like a Lamborghini. He can’t help who they play. He tore up the #2 Ducks for almost 200 yards and multiple scores.

I’m fine with Jeanty #1 and Conerly or Ersery or Simmons in the 2nd round.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I love Jeanty. I am a homer because I live in Boise. The Patriots need playmakers. He’s the best in this draft. When was the last time the experts have predicted a RB to go top ten? Doesn’t happen often. He’s built like a tank and runs like a Lamborghini. He can’t help who they play. He tore up the #2 Ducks for almost 200 yards and multiple scores.

I’m fine with Jeanty #1 and Conerly or Ersery or Simmons in the 2nd round.

Still makes no sense to me, take a second tier LT in lieu of a RB in today's NFL? RBs are more pawns than ever before and in this deep RB class and shallow LT class a RB at 4 makes no sense to me

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Still makes no sense to me, take a second tier LT in lieu of a RB in today's NFL? RBs are more pawns than ever before and in this deep RB class and shallow LT class a RB at 4 makes no sense to me

I'll flip the charts. Take a 2nd tier RB over a questionable 1st tier LT? First tier only because it's a weak draft. Even the so called experts can't agree on who the best Olineman is coming out this year let alone the best LT. There is no such debate on Jeanty.

The league is changing to where RBs are becoming the new toy. Yes, they likely have a shorter career. But that doesn't change the fact that, I believe playoff teams had 9 of the top 10/11 RBs last year.

Also no one has still been able to tell me how much difference can be expected say between a Campbell, Simmons or Tappy? Or if the difference is not so great that taking a potential generational RB wouldn't be worth the risk?

Scar seems to think you take a player who can score or get you sacks. What does he know?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Still makes no sense to me, take a second tier LT in lieu of a RB in today's NFL? RBs are more pawns than ever before and in this deep RB class and shallow LT class a RB at 4 makes no sense to me

So are you taking Campbell if he is there at #4? Is Campbell really worth the #4 pick? Do you trade out of #4 if someone offers it?


Maybe Dallas does us a solid and helps convince Tyron Smith to sign a one year deal with the Pats. Have him mentor whomever NE selects and we get a skill position player to boot. Would you be up for that? I certainly would.

 

[YankeeRebel]

So are you taking Campbell if he is there at #4? Is Campbell really worth the #4 pick? Do you trade out of #4 if someone offers it?


Maybe Dallas does us a solid and helps convince Tyron Smith to sign a one year deal with the Pats. Have him mentor whomever NE selects and we get a skill position player to boot. Would you be up for that? I certainly would.

Oh I am willing to trade out of number 4 for sure but not past 12 or 14. There are three LTs of interest to me and the further down we trade the more trade capital we get. If we trade with 9 10 or 11 we are likely getting their first and second. We can still grab one of the three LTs and RB from UNC or Tenn and an IOL.

Before I consider RB I am taking LT IOL TE then IMO RB or WR

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Oh I am willing to trade out of number 4 for sure but not past 12 or 14. There are three LTs of interest to me and the further down we trade the more trade capital we get. If we trade with 9 10 or 11 we are likely getting their first and second. We can still grab one of the three LTs and RB from UNC or Tenn and an IOL.

Before I consider RB I am taking LT IOL TE then IMO RB or WR

I'm also for trading down. But not past #10. That likely takes us out of getting Jeanty. Maybe Warren is still there at 10? I've said it many times I'd be happy with Warren or Jeanty with the 1st pick. 2nd pick I go best available LT.

This year I feel the top 10 prospects can be game changers. But I feel we need a game changer for the future. They aren't going to the SB this year anyway. If Carter or Graham somehow slipped to #4 it would be hard to pass on either even though it's not an immediate need. In that scenario it could definitely open up more teams wanting to move up.

Big decisions coming up for this current staff. Let's just hope they make good decisions that sets NE up for the future.

 

[BigKen]

As the draft gets closer, I keep hearing that there is only one true Tier -1 LT in this draft. That is Josh Simmons.

More and more, the experts are saying that Campbell will be an exceptional, probably All-Pro LG.

We can all call up clips and films of every player and make our own decisions as to what should be done.

If the Patriots decide against your player, you'll be upset. To be honest, I hope that they get a chance to trade down and like Reb, no deeper than #10. If #10 arrives and their top guy is gone, trade again and get another second or third round pick. If they're picking at #15 or #16 and the next guy on their list is Loveland, Conerly, Trapilo, or anyone else and he's there, I hope they take him. According to all of those same expoerts, a true four year LT like Jack Nelson WIS will still be available in Round 3. Reach a bit and take him in Round 2.

As all of us have agreed, the draft is a crap shoot. Just roll the friggin' dice and hope you seven or eleven. Baby needs a new LT.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Still makes no sense to me, take a second tier LT in lieu of a RB in today's NFL? RBs are more pawns than ever before and in this deep RB class and shallow LT class a RB at 4 makes no sense to me

While I understand your point of view, There's no Joe Alt this year. No Trent Williams, no Tristian Wirfs.
So reverting to Scars comment, don't draft an LT in the first round this year. Go for somebody who can sack or score and take an LT later.
If there are a bunch of 2nd/3rd round LT's, why reach for one at #4?

Warren/Loveland or Jeanty/Hampton. Jeanty may be the best of those 4.

 

[YankeeRebel]

While I understand your point of view, There's no Joe Alt this year. No Trent Williams, no Tristian Wirfs.
So reverting to Scars comment, don't draft an LT in the first round this year. Go for somebody who can sack or score and take an LT later.
If there are a bunch of 2nd/3rd round LT's, why reach for one at #4?

Warren/Loveland or Jeanty/Hampton. Jeanty may be the best of those 4.

No one is reaching for one at 4, we specifically talked about trading down to 10 no more than 14, picking up extra picks and taking a LT between 10 and 14