Giants post game

[duke1861]

i know how you feel if that was the case should have fired him in TC. RR certainly has changed the locker room culture here. I agree he hasn't done anything as of right now to warrant him staying. IMO beating the #2 seed is an overachievement for this team.

No Rivera hasn't or is Allen a liar? Allen said it has been going on for 7 years and he is sick of it.

Payne and Allen got in a fist fight 2 years ago on national tv.

Players were undermining EB and complaining to Rivera.

That is not change Dean and I would wager nothing like that happened under gruden.

Harris couldn't have fired Rivera Dean. Harris literally took over as training camp started. There was no time to hire a GM or head coach. They probably thought Rivera was better than JDR and knew it would be a transition year. That is what we are trying to tell you...it's a transition year.

 

[duke1861]

doesnt matter. beating the #2 seed should mean something and will give this franchise a playoff win in the last 26 years. If RR had no fair chance of staying should have fired him in TC and role with JDR.

We won a playoff game in 2005 Dean. It's been about 18 years...not 26.

 

[deanpet21]

for all his faults and there were many,he,d have fired rr after the chicago debacle.

that,s about as likely to happen as a bigfoot or loch ness monster sighting.only way rivera gets to the championship game is if he buys a ticket.

exactly but that is skinsdad expectation

 

[duke1861]

Put this guy on the field with a true WR1 and he becomes far more dangerous!
Remember Washington traded down to get more draft picks, they passed on Chris Olave and Jameson Williams forcing themselves to pick the less talented Jahan Dotson.
Imagine either Olave or Williams and T Mac on this team. Granted Williams has been hit with a troubling start to his NFL career but he has that rare combination of height, elite speed, and quickness that make him a major threat for explosive plays. (Everything that you'd expect from a true WR1)

Don't say that too loud.
That trade has been put on the Mount Rushmore of draft day trades.

The jury is still out.

Turner has shown nothing to date.
Dotson has been fine.
Howell is looking fine.
BRob is being outplayed by a rookie.

 

[deanpet21]

There you go defending Rivera again.

In year four with total control. He wanted total roster authority so he needs to be accountable. It is 100% his fault if the roster is not competitive.

That is why these conversations are frustrating.

If we don't have the roster, whose fault is that? You have to hold Rivera accountable for something Dean.

A playoff win is an overachievement in your opinion. Stop saying it as fact.

You need to come to the understanding that criticizing Rivera is not showing disloyalty to the team. He is not a dictator that we must support. There is no difference in being critical of gruden, Zorn, or Rivera.

all im saying expecting an NFC championship appearance this year like skinsdad said is crazy with this current roster. You have to be reasonable.

 

[deanpet21]

We won a playoff game in 2005 Dean. It's been about 18 years...not 26.

thanks you for the correction. I knew it was awhile.

 

[duke1861]

thanks you for the correction. I knew it was awhile.

Wasn't trying to be a pain or jerk. I think it was the Portis game where we handed off to him the entire game.

No worries. Yes, it's been a while.

 

[skinsdad62]

exactly but that is skinsdad expectation

Dean if he can’t get to the conference finals with a team he put together after 4 yrs then a playoff win wont help him . Why ? Because that win could be a fluke ! Winning 2 means maybe it isn’t .

Stop subsidizing crap play and coaching

By the way we are heading to 5-12, or worse

 

[duke1861]

all im saying expecting an NFC championship appearance this year like skinsdad said is crazy with this current roster. You have to be reasonable.

I think context is needed here.

I don't think skinsdad literally thought we could make a conference championship game. I think what he is saying is that a fanbase should expect a team to make a conference championship game in year 4 of coaches tenure.

The fact that we are so far behind that time frame is why Rivera should be fired.

 

[duke1861]

Dean if he can’t get to the conference finals with a team he put together after 4 yrs then a playoff win wont help him . Why ? Because that win could be a fluke ! Winning 2 means maybe it isn’t .

Stop subsidizing crap play and coaching

By the way we are heading to 5-12, or worse

Good point skinsdad.

A winning season now is simply a fluke and not the norm. It's an outlier for Rivera. We need and deserve better.
Rivera is not capable of winning on a continued basis. Dean doesn't understand that.

 

[deanpet21]

Dean if he can’t get to the conference finals with a team he put together after 4 yrs then a playoff win wont help him . Why ? Because that win could be a fluke ! Winning 2 means maybe it isn’t .

Stop subsidizing crap play and coaching

By the way we are heading to 5-12, or worse

i understand we are heading to a bad year. Even if it was a fluke, it was still beating a #2 seed with this current roster assembled by RR.

 

[deanpet21]

I think context is needed here.

I don't think skinsdad literally thought we could make a conference championship game. I think what he is saying is that a fanbase should expect a team to make a conference championship game in year 4 of coaches tenure.

The fact that we are so far behind that time frame is why Rivera should be fired.

so if every coach doesn't make their conference championship game by year 4 they should be fired?

 

[duke1861]

so if every coach doesn't make their conference championship game by year 4 they should be fired?

Without question.

Or at least the division game.

I don't think you realize how bad of a coach Rivera is and how poor of a job he has done given the authority he has.

He has not had a winning season in 5 years
He has only won 3 playoff games in 12 years

That is awful Dean and you know that.

Name another nfl coach employed who hasn't had a winning season in 5 straight years?

 

[duke1861]

i understand we are heading to a bad year. Even if it was a fluke, it was still beating a #2 seed with this current roster assembled by RR.

You just said it was surprising we are 27th in defense and 20th in offense.

If we did win a playoff game..it would have a fluke period and not indicative of team progress or future success.

I asked you
Can we do better at GM?
Can we do better at HC?

If you answer yes, then why would we stay with Rivera? You have a strange loyalty to him that you didn't under gruden. Why?

 

[redskinsfan1963]

exactly but that is skinsdad expectation

how full of shit you are is amazing for any human to be.

 

[deanpet21]

Without question.

Or at least the division game.

I don't think you realize how bad of a coach Rivera is and how poor of a job he has done given the authority he has.

He has not had a winning season in 5 years
He has only won 3 playoff games in 12 years

That is awful Dean and you know that.

Name another nfl coach employed who hasn't had a winning season in 5 straight years?

i know it is. not disputing that. But he should get credit for beating a #2 seed in the playoffs. That shouldnt be swept under the rug.

 

[deanpet21]

You just said it was surprising we are 27th in defense and 20th in offense.

If we did win a playoff game..it would have a fluke period and not indicative of team progress or future success.

I asked you
Can we do better at GM?
Can we do better at HC?

If you answer yes, then why would we stay with Rivera? You have a strange loyalty to him that you didn't under gruden. Why?

i wasnt a fan of Gruden at all. I would think Harris would have to look at that playoff win and revaluate RR.

 

[deanpet21]

how full of shit you are is amazing for any human to be.

how am i full of shit when i didnt make that claim?

 

[duke1861]

i wasnt a fan of Gruden at all. I would think Harris would have to look at that playoff win and revaluate RR.

That's my point.
Gruden had more success here than Rivera and he didn't have full roster control, yet, you want to give Rivera more time.

Harris can look at the playoff win, but he needs to look at riveras tenure here and his CAR days.

He also needs to review Riveras GM moves.
You haven't answered my questions.

Is Rivera a good coach?
Can we do better at GM and HC?

 

[duke1861]

i know it is. not disputing that. But he should get credit for beating a #2 seed in the playoffs. That shouldnt be swept under the rug.

Ok, give him credit for it.
What does it mean? You have to look at Riveras full picture.
You yourself said he stinks as a GM right?

Your problem is you get something in your head and won't let it go. That is why you argue with everyone.

You had it in your head what wentz was our franchise qb.

You had it in your head that Rivera was a good coach.

You had it in your head that we would get 11 wins last year.

You had it in your head we would get 9 wins this year.

You have it in your head that a playoff win should keep Rivera here.

We all have opinions but you do not reconsider your opinion and refuse to look at big pictures or facts.

It is proven that Rivera has never had back to back winning seasons. Why would a playoff win and winning season mean anything foe our future given Riveras history?