POLL Who should be the Lakers next HC?

[trojanfan12]

I have no idea if this is a good hiring. But I'm surprised they went with a first time head coach. Hard to see how Lebron won't walk all over him.

You mean like how he walked all over Ty Lue?

 

[trojanfan12]

Obviously, we will have no idea how this will work out until the season...but it is encouraging that the Lakers are going against what they typically look to do by not hiring some re-tread name coach.

From what I have read, Ham is good at building relationships while still holding folks accountable. Both are things that the Lakers are going to need.

 

[flyerhawk]

You mean like how he walked all over Ty Lue?

You don't think that Lebron dictated to Ty Lue?

Again, I'm not suggesting that this was a bad hire. I have no way of knowing. I was simply saying that I didn't expect the Lakers to go in this direction.

 

[msgkings322]

I have no idea if this is a good hiring. But I'm surprised they went with a first time head coach. Hard to see how Lebron won't walk all over him.

Worked with Ty Lue

 

[flyerhawk]

Worked with Ty Lue

It definitely could work.

 

[msgkings322]

It definitely could work.

 

[trojanfan12]

You don't think that Lebron dictated to Ty Lue?

Again, I'm not suggesting that this was a bad hire. I have no way of knowing. I was simply saying that I didn't expect the Lakers to go in this direction.

No, I dont. Lebrons coach killer rep is a bit overblown. Blatt was the only coach you could say Lebron truly walked over. Spo and Lue both stood up to him and Lebron stayed in his lane.

If Ham does the same, he should be fine as well.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised they went this route as well. As much as I hoped they wouldn't I was expecting them to try to bring in a retread or actually try to get Doc. Hoping that this means they are starting to be open to operating a little differently than they have in the past.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

Darvin Ham is the new coach.

 

[Black Adam]

Green eggs and Ham gets the nod. Let's see how the Wizard Oz/Lakers braintrust puts together the roster, now that everyone is on board.

I'm with you. Please, please, PLEASE Jeanie, don't fuck this up...

 

[Wamu]

Doc has failed to win a championship (or even get to the finals) with talented and loaded rosters ever since 2008 with multiple franchises and has made a career of poking at the Lakers. None of that should interest the Lakers. His one championship was the result of a former teammate gifting him KG in a lopsided trade.

What? He's failed to even get to the Finals since '08? Interesting. Then who did the Lakers beat for the title in '10?

Yes his one title was the result of having a good team. You think your Lakers would have won it all in '20 without getting LeBron & trading for AD?

 

[shopson67]

What? He's failed to even get to the Finals since '08? Interesting. Then who did the Lakers beat for the title in '10?

Yes his one title was the result of having a good team. You think your Lakers would have won it all in '20 without getting LeBron & trading for AD?

That was meant to be more of an and/or statement; of course I know that they beat the Celtics the following year (Ron Artest!)

Lakers signed Lebron as a free agent and traded nearly every last asset otherwise for AD. The Celtics got KG at a bargain with better trade offers out there at the time. Gifted. That said, the Lakers won with a retread coach who has since been fired. Is he a worthy hire as well now? Not likely to be at the top of anyone's list, but he's won as many championships as Doc.

Everyone glosses over the other aspect, that Doc has gone out of his way to criticize and jab the Lakers throughout his career. No way does he belong with the Lakers.

 

[trojanfan12]

That was meant to be more of an and/or statement; of course I know that they beat the Celtics the following year (Ron Artest!)

Lakers signed Lebron as a free agent and traded nearly every last asset otherwise for AD. The Celtics got KG at a bargain with better trade offers out there at the time. Gifted. That said, the Lakers won with a retread coach who has since been fired. Is he a worthy hire as well now? Not likely to be at the top of anyone's list, but he's won as many championships as Doc.

Everyone glosses over the other aspect, that Doc has gone out of his way to criticize and jab the Lakers throughout his career. No way does he belong with the Lakers.

Meh, criticizing and taking jabs at the Lakers would be a dumb reason to not hire him. He coached the Celtics and the Clippers. It is expected.

The reason to not hire him is that he is overrated and not worth the trouble it would take to get him.

 

[Wamu]

That was meant to be more of an and/or statement; of course I know that they beat the Celtics the following year (Ron Artest!)

Lakers signed Lebron as a free agent and traded nearly every last asset otherwise for AD. The Celtics got KG at a bargain with better trade offers out there at the time. Gifted. That said, the Lakers won with a retread coach who has since been fired. Is he a worthy hire as well now? Not likely to be at the top of anyone's list, but he's won as many championships as Doc.

Everyone glosses over the other aspect, that Doc has gone out of his way to criticize and jab the Lakers throughout his career. No way does he belong with the Lakers.

AD wanted outta New Orleans. It's not like the Pels wanted to get rid of him. But him forcing his way outta N.O. is somehow different than how the Celtics got KG?

"the Lakers won with a retread coach who has since been fired"

Vogel was the scapegoat. He ended up having to take the blame for an old-ass roster he didn't put together. Because for some bizarre reason the real GM of the team, not LeBron-he's not the GM, somehow gets little to no blame for the disappointing season the Lakers had.

Jeanie seems overly loyal to Pelinka. Maybe it's because he was Kobe's good friend? If the Lakers have another disappointing season next year will the new HC be blamed & fired or will the FO finally be held accountable for their decisions?

 

[Black Adam]

AD wanted outta New Orleans. It's not like the Pels wanted to get rid of him. But him forcing his way outta N.O. is somehow different than how the Celtics got KG?

"the Lakers won with a retread coach who has since been fired"

Vogel was the scapegoat. He ended up having to take the blame for an old-ass roster he didn't put together. Because for some bizarre reason the real GM of the team, not LeBron-he's not the GM, somehow gets little to no blame for the disappointing season the Lakers had.

Jeanie seems overly loyal to Pelinka. Maybe it's because he was Kobe's good friend? If the Lakers have another disappointing season next year will the new HC be blamed & fired or will the FO finally be held accountable for their decisions?

Can't argue any of this. At some point the F.O. has to have the ability to be able to point the finger at themselves...

 

[Wamu]

Can't argue any of this. At some point the F.O. has to have the ability to be able to point the finger at themselves...

If the Lakers have another disappointing season next year no more of this blaming LeBron stuff. It'll be time the F.O. is finally held accountable.

 

[trojanfan12]

AD wanted outta New Orleans. It's not like the Pels wanted to get rid of him. But him forcing his way outta N.O. is somehow different than how the Celtics got KG?

It is different because Minny turned down better offers to get KG to the Celtics. Nothing wrong with that, btw. KG had done everything he could to get Minny a title and never asked to be traded. So they did him a solid by getting him to a team that already had Paul Pierce and had just traded for Ray Allen. Had Minny decided to take the best offer they could get, they get a better return, but KG likely ends up on a worse team and maybe never gets a title.

Or heck, since they wanted to get him to a team where he would have a shot at a title...I don't know if an offer was ever discussed or made, but I'd be willing to bet that the Lakers would have given them a better haul than the Celtics did to pair KG with Kobe and be coached by Phil. Kobe and KG might have been the meanest twosome in league history. lol

In the AD trade, I don't think there was a better offer made. You can argue that AD's demand depressed the market...but that argument becomes more difficult to make when you consider what the Lakers gave up and that the Pels were pretty motivated to not trade him to the Lakers.

 

[Mecca]

You don't think that Lebron dictated to Ty Lue?

Again, I'm not suggesting that this was a bad hire. I have no way of knowing. I was simply saying that I didn't expect the Lakers to go in this direction.

Maybe.

But, he also held him accountable.

 

[Robotech]

If nothing else, Terry Stotts looks like an NBA coach. Like if you closed your eyes and imagined an NBA coach, you would picture someone like Terry Stotts and you would tell yourself, I trust that guy with all my heart. Kenny Atkinson does not have that trustworthy look. I know you guys are thanking me for my deep analysis, so you're welcome.

If Lakers want to go conservative, then choose Stotts. But if they want to go for more, then go Darvin Ham. He's young, so maybe he'll bring a fresher approach. He also coached under Budenholzer, so that makes him part of the Popovich coaching tree. Can't go wrong with that, right?

They went with my aggressive recommendation!

 

[shopson67]

AD wanted outta New Orleans. It's not like the Pels wanted to get rid of him. But him forcing his way outta N.O. is somehow different than how the Celtics got KG?

"the Lakers won with a retread coach who has since been fired"

Vogel was the scapegoat. He ended up having to take the blame for an old-ass roster he didn't put together. Because for some bizarre reason the real GM of the team, not LeBron-he's not the GM, somehow gets little to no blame for the disappointing season the Lakers had.

Jeanie seems overly loyal to Pelinka. Maybe it's because he was Kobe's good friend? If the Lakers have another disappointing season next year will the new HC be blamed & fired or will the FO finally be held accountable for their decisions?

Vogel was more than a scapegoat. He is also too dedicated to an outdated model of the NBA and hasn't shown much flexibility or ability to adjust until things were too far gone this year. He was never the intended candidate, instead a fallback option when the Lue hiring fell through.

It's a bit early to say if Jeanie is overly loyal to Pelinka, hired mid-season in 2017. Only this last season showed any questionable moves like the abundance of elder players and the Westbrook trade (whomever you want to pin that on, whether its Pelinka, Lebron/AD/Klutch, everyone, the Celtics, etc). It's not because of Kobe, but more because he's a familiar face because he was around so much as Kobe's agent. Not surprisingly, new head coach Darvin Ham was formerly an assistant with the Lakers.

 

[shopson67]

If the Lakers have another disappointing season next year no more of this blaming LeBron stuff. It'll be time the F.O. is finally held accountable.

If they have another disappointing season, Lebron may not be around to blame (or he will be blamed on his way out the door). I don't expect this front office to get fixed unless Pelinka/Ham can unite and push their will beyond the influence of the Rambi/Magic/Phil in her ear.