Duke's 2022 Draft Predictions

[duke1861]

Point being you don't know who we would have gotten. If Wentz hit FA it is possible other teams could of been interested. Teams didnt want to trade for him b/c of his contract and draft capital that they would have to give up.

That is NOT what you said Dean....you are running away from your lie. Admit you misquoted me.

I said Wentz was a better QB and you know it. You then claimed I didn't say that. I said Bridgewater is the better option for our team for the long term.

Another team could have signed him, sure. But, we made a bad business decision and panicked.

YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT!..LOL

Why did teams NOT want to trade for him because of his contract and draft capital????

Checkmate...I rest my case. We were the only team stupid enough to do it!!!!!!!!!

 

[deanpet21]

That is NOT what you said Dean....you are running away from your lie. Admit you misquoted me.

I said Wentz was a better QB and you know it. You then claimed I didn't say that. I said Bridgewater is the better option for our team for the long term.

Ok but you wanted to go the bridgewater route the lesser QB to keep more money and draft picks, right?

 

[duke1861]

Ok but you wanted to go the bridgewater route the lesser QB to keep more money and draft picks, right?

I said that we need to draft a QB to be our franchise QB. I said that Bridgewater is NOT as good as Wentz but we would save valuable draft picks and valuable cap space. I said that Bridgewater would serve as the starter and be a bridge to so that the rookie QB would take over.

Now, admit that you were wrong YET again and misquoted me.

 

[deanpet21]

I said that we need to draft a QB to be our franchise QB. I said that Bridgewater as NOT as good as Wentz but we would save valuable draft picks and valuable cap space. I said that Bridgewater would serve as the starter and be a bridge to so that the rookie QB would take over.

Now, admit that you were wrong YET again and misquoted me.

But its the worst QB that you want. This QB draft stinks. You are putting the future on a rookie QB from this draft class. So for example you want Bridgewater and Rookie QB over Wentz.

 

[duke1861]

Right so 12th is not the highest paid QB in the league just a little above average.

You said reasonable and it is NOT reasonable to pay a below-average QB significant money and make him the 12th highest QB in the league. THat is NOT reasonabe. Look at the numbers.

 

[duke1861]

But its the worst QB that you want. This QB draft stinks. You are putting the future on a rookie QB from this draft class. So for example you want Bridgewater and Rookie QB over Wentz.

You still have not admitted that you misquoted me. Stop making up stuff.

I don't know if a rookie QB would stink and neither do you. But we do KNOW that Wentz sux.

 

[deanpet21]

You still have not admitted that you misquoted me.

I didnt get the exact quote but you waned bridgewter and a rookie qb on this team.

 

[duke1861]

Thats not what you said Dean. You said that I stated that:
Duke thinks Bridgewater can give the same production and just as talented as Wentz. Which is completely wrong.

I never said that. In fact, I said the opposite.

 

[duke1861]

Let teh season play out we will see what happens. If he fails we move on to another QB. He cant be any worse than TH or haskins

So if we are in a court of law, and you are defending River and Wentz as lead defense counsel, your defense is based on:

1. The past is the past and it doesn't matter. For Wentz, it's a new team and new coaches. His past performance should not concern us. Philly and Indy made massive mistakes by giving up on Wentz.
2. Although the past doesn't matter, the poor showing in 2021 can best be explained by blaming it on COVID and injuries.
3. 2nd and 3rd round draft picks are NOT very valuable because those players could be possible busts.
4. This organization is a QB away from making the playoffs. We simply need better QB play.
5. 28 million is average pay for a QB in the league
6. We must make the playoffs at ALL costs. Once you make the playoffs, anything CAN happen.
7. We should be "loyal" to our coaches in spite of the results on the field.
8. True evaluations should be made involving the previous player or coaches instead of against current players and teams.
9. Rivera has done a fair job given what he has.
10. The overall trend of the organization is trending upward and we need to have a little more faith. It's not all doom and gloom.
11. We had to trade for Wentz because no other FA QB would have signed here and the 2022 QB draft class is substandard.

Does this sum it up or am I missing anything? Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[duke1861]

I didnt get the exact quote but you waned bridgewter and a rookie qb on this team.

That is correct.

 

[duke1861]

It is more than fair to compare Wentz to the QBs who proceeded him. You are trying to get better, if Wentz is better than theorectically the Redskins got better.

If you look at the PFR stats the only two QBs the Redskins could had a reasonable chance to get were Jimmy G and Bridgewater.
Teddy had 9 less TDs and the same amount of Int's on 90 less throws
Jimmy G had 7 less TDs and 5 more Ints

Jimmy G threw for 300 yards while Teddy threw for 500 less..

Jimmy had 3 GWDs, Teddy 1 and Wentz 0

Jimmy G would have cost as much as Wentz, Kyle wasn't going to give him away to Snyder.

Teddy was probably the cheapest move but would have at best been = to Wentz

Ryan would have likely cost the same if not more and had lesser stats than Wentz last year.

I don't think McNabb was a panic move, I think he was a dumbass move. Snyder and Allen thought they were smart .... the Shanahan's disagreed.

I never thought the Smith move was a panic move. Remember Cousins was still under contract. Again I think it was Snyder and Allen saying look Kirk we got a guy who cost less and is as good. They were wrong on both counts.

I think this years draft is mediocre at QB.

It's a strawman type of argument Sportster. It is purposely diverting the conversation to something else instead of addressing the point at hand.

For example:

Claim: Carson Wentz is not a leader, he has burned bridges, has a substandard completion %, refuses to take accountability, is not a team player, panics when the game is on the line, and is injury prone. This was a bad deal for Washington and we gave up to much.

Dean's Response: Well, he is better than Taylor Heinicke.

Because the testimonies of former coaches and players and the data cannot be refuted, it is easier to divert the attention to Heinicke (strawman). None of the points above were addressed, as such, it's better to provide a new attack.

Same with Rivera:

Claim: Rivera has historically been a poor coach, and he is even worse as a talent evaluator. He has done an ineffective job in managing the front office, rebranding the team name, and building the roster since his arrival.

Dean's Response: Well, he is better than Gruden ever was.

Again, what does Gruden have to do with the original claim? It doesn't, it is a logical fallacy and argument tactic to deflect the real issue. In this case, it is Rivera. It is what politicians do when they are cornered in a debate. They simply change the argument and create a strawman in an attempt to refute the original point/claim.

I am not sure if this is all on purpose or not.

 

[Stymietee]

IF they extend him it would cost more money. I thought he was on a current contract that made sense for a starting QB in the league. They are just protecting themselves if he fails. It's possible he could fail but they want him to be the guy here. The team wants to see him prove it.

Correct, which means that publicly stating that they see him as the long term answer is a lie. You don't declare on the one hand that you see him as the answer long term while on the other have him play on a prove it deal.

 

[deanpet21]

So if we are in a court of law, and you are defending River and Wentz as lead defense counsel, your defense is based on:

1. The past is the past and it doesn't matter. For Wentz, it's a new team and new coaches. His past performance should not concern us. Philly and Indy made massive mistakes by giving up on Wentz.
2. Although the past doesn't matter, the poor showing in 2021 can best be explained by blaming it on COVID and injuries.
3. 2nd and 3rd round draft picks are NOT very valuable because those players could be possible busts.
4. This organization is a QB away from making the playoffs. We simply need better QB play.
5. 28 million is average pay for a QB in the league
6. We must make the playoffs at ALL costs. Once you make the playoffs, anything CAN happen.
7. We should be "loyal" to our coaches in spite of the results on the field.
8. True evaluations should be made involving the previous player or coaches instead of against current players and teams.
9. Rivera has done a fair job given what he has.
10. The overall trend of the organization is trending upward and we need to have a little more faith. It's not all doom and gloom.
11. We had to trade for Wentz because no other FA QB would have signed here and the 2022 QB draft class is substandard.

Does this sum it up or am I missing anything? Please correct me if I am wrong.

I love you man!!

 

[deanpet21]

Correct, which means that publicly stating that they see him as the long term answer is a lie. You don't declare on the one hand that you see him as the answer long term while on the other have him play on a prove it deal.

Its not a lie b/c if he does do well they are not going to trade or cut him. They are behind their QB. Why wouldn't they be. He has to prove successful if he wants to stay here. Wentz should be super motivated.

 

[Stymietee]

But its the worst QB that you want. This QB draft stinks. You are putting the future on a rookie QB from this draft class. So for example you want Bridgewater and Rookie QB over Wentz.

Yes because if you're going to waste yet another season, the preference is the least expensive seat-filler.

 

[duke1861]

I love you man!!

LOL...

I should go get my law degree! Johnny Cochran...watch out! I am the new Matlock!!

A Few Good Men:

You can't handle the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would get eaten alive as a lawyer.....LOL

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[deanpet21]

That is correct.

Im curious to see what QB is there at #11 and our 2nd round pick. So you are saying QB is the pick at #11 if bridge water is non our team. Right?

 

[deanpet21]

Yes because if you're going to waste yet another season, the preference is the least expensive seat-filler.

Sure so you guarantee a losing season and HOPE that a QB from this draft is going to be our savior. Give me a QB name that you would want in this draft if we didnt get Wentz and signed Bridgewter in FA.

 

[Stymietee]

Its not a lie b/c if he does do well they are not going to trade or cut him. They are behind their QB. Why wouldn't they be. He has to prove successful if he wants to stay here. Wentz should be super motivated.

It's a lie because he hasn't done anything to elicit their publicly stated confidence. They literally have to pretend to be behind Wince but truthfully that one year prove it deal says otherwise.

 

[deanpet21]

It's a lie because he hasn't done anything to elicit their publicly stated confidence. They literally have to pretend to be behind Wince but truthfully that one year prove it deal says otherwise.

pretend? They traded for the guy. They have to motivate him. Wentz has to be motivated b/c if he fails here, he is probably out of the league.