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Which of the young Alabama/Oklahoma QBs in the NFL end up being the best over the course of their careers?

Which of the young Alabama/Oklahoma QBs in the NFL end up being the best over the course of their ca


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As a Lions fan, I am the world's foremost authority on garbage time stats. This path will not lead to happiness. 123 yards and his TD came in the 4th Q when the score was 31-0


Why does that only apply to Hurts and not the other two?

Patriots were down 33-3 when Mac threw his first TD pass, down 47-10 when he threw his second.

Cardinals scored their first and only TD when they were down 28-0.
 

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Why does that only apply to Hurts and not the other two?

Patriots were down 33-3 when Mac threw his first TD pass, down 47-10 when he threw his second.

Cardinals scored their first and only TD when they were down 28-0.
Jones had 51 yards and 1 of his touchdowns in the 4th, he never really had a garbage time because Hoodie kept running the ball through the game, long after it was over.

Murray did not get garbage time because he remained terrible through garbage time.
 

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Jones had 51 yards and 1 of his touchdowns in the 4th, he never really had a garbage time because Hoodie kept running the ball through the game, long after it was over.

Murray did not get garbage time because he remained terrible through garbage time.


His first TD came when the team was down 33-3 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. How is that not garbage time? The game was long over.

Cardinals didn't get their first score until 4 minutes left in the 3rd down 28-0.


What exactly is garbage time to you?
 

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His first TD came when the team was down 33-3 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. How is that not garbage time? The game was long over.

Cardinals didn't get their first score until 4 minutes left in the 3rd down 28-0.


What exactly is garbage time to you?
I personally don't think garbage time starts before the 4th Q. That being said for it to be garbage time you need the teams to play like it. I don't think Mac Jones had garbage time because Belichick is so unique as a coach. The Patriots final drive was 15 plays. 8 runs, 7 passes. He clearly did not want meaningless stats, he wanted solid execution to end the game. The Eagles ran the ball twice(non scramble) in the entire 4th Q. Siriani wanted those sweet sweet meaningless stats. I am not one to judge on that, it is 70% of Stafford's career.
 

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I personally don't think garbage time starts before the 4th Q. That being said for it to be garbage time you need the teams to play like it. I don't think Mac Jones had garbage time because Belichick is so unique as a coach. The Patriots final drive was 15 plays. 8 runs, 7 passes. He clearly did not want meaningless stats, he wanted solid execution to end the game. The Eagles ran the ball twice(non scramble) in the entire 4th Q. Siriani wanted those sweet sweet meaningless stats. I am not one to judge on that, it is 70% of Stafford's career.



When the game is out of reach that is when it becomes garbage time. The Eagles only had 9 handoffs to the RBs all game. They went pass heavy throughout for whatever reason completely reverting back to their broken early season offense. Sirianni wasn't chasing passing stats in the 4th he was trying to get back into the game.
 

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When the game is out of reach that is when it becomes garbage time. The Eagles only had 9 handoffs to the RBs all game. They went pass heavy throughout for whatever reason completely reverting back to their broken early season offense. Sirianni wasn't chasing passing stats in the 4th he was trying to get back into the game.
I might be reading it wrong, but I think only 2 of Hurts runs are considered scrambles. Which would mean 15 called run plays. Only 2 in the 4th. Still not a lot of runs. All of that is a fun little side note that does not tie into your initial question. Which was why did I only look at Hurts garbage time. That answer is the same. Jones did not rack up yards late because Belichick if anything went more conservative at the end of the game. Hurts put up his only points and half his yards after the Bucs had already mentally gone home.
 

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I might be reading it wrong, but I think only 2 of Hurts runs are considered scrambles. Which would mean 15 called run plays. Only 2 in the 4th. Still not a lot of runs. All of that is a fun little side note that does not tie into your initial question. Which was why did I only look at Hurts garbage time. That answer is the same. Jones did not rack up yards late because Belichick if anything went more conservative at the end of the game. Hurts put up his only points and half his yards after the Bucs had already mentally gone home.


Jones 2 TDs were in garbage time. They were down 33-3 the first TD and 47-10 the second TD. Your reasoning is completely illogical. 126 of Jones 232 passing yards came when the Patriots were down at least 4 scores in the second half.
 

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When the game is out of reach that is when it becomes garbage time. The Eagles only had 9 handoffs to the RBs all game. They went pass heavy throughout for whatever reason completely reverting back to their broken early season offense. Sirianni wasn't chasing passing stats in the 4th he was trying to get back into the game.

Did you even watch the game? The Bucs D was stacking the box with defenders. They were daring the eagles to pass the ball by giving one on one coverage with a single high safety. The REAL question is why didn’t the pass catchers you highly tout here (goedert and smith) get open? Why didn’t they catch the ball when it was thrown to them? That drop by goedert early in the game was HUGE.

Once again you are clueless.
 

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How those eligible did in their first playoff games this postseason:

Jones
24/38, 63.2%, 232 yards, 6.1 YPA, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 75.8 QB rating, 18 rushing yards & 0 rushing TD. 47-17 Loss.

Hurts 23/43, 53.5%, 258 yards, 6.0 YPA, 1 TD, 2 INT, 60.0 QB rating, 39 yards rushing & 0 rushing TD. 31-15 Loss.

Murray 19/34, 55.9%, 137 yards, 4.0 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT, 40.9 QB rating, 6 yards rushing & 0 rushing TD. 34-11 Loss.

Yet of the three, only Hurts is the one who’s starting job is in question next year. Without question the other two will start for their teams
 

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What exactly is garbage time to you?
Anytime you post its.......
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It's not too late to vote.

...but right now it's a waste of a mouse click.
 

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To be fair, who is going to be the best in the group does not say that any of them are going to be good.
Murray has a lot of very good days and Jones will probably become a consistently solid QB. Both are flat-track bullies. Hurts will be an NFL back-up because he's slow in processing information. He'll be streaky, which is ok for a back-up.
 

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How those eligible did in their first playoff games this postseason:

Jones
24/38, 63.2%, 232 yards, 6.1 YPA, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, 75.8 QB rating, 18 rushing yards & 0 rushing TD. 47-17 Loss.

Hurts 23/43, 53.5%, 258 yards, 6.0 YPA, 1 TD, 2 INT, 60.0 QB rating, 39 yards rushing & 0 rushing TD. 31-15 Loss.

Murray 19/34, 55.9%, 137 yards, 4.0 YPA, 0 TD, 2 INT, 40.9 QB rating, 6 yards rushing & 0 rushing TD. 34-11 Loss.
I had picked Mac Jones in the poll :yes:
 

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Also of the 3 ass kickings these Qbs took.
Eagles played the worst defense of the three.
 

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Also of the 3 ass kickings these Qbs took.
Eagles played the worst defense of the three.
Patriots gave up TD's on every series except the one that they took a knee, tough to argue with this one
 

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Patriots gave up TD's on every series except the one that they took a knee, tough to argue with this one
not sure I follow?
I am talking of the defense the QBs faced.

Bills defense
Rams defense
Bucs defense

Pats, Eagles & Cards defenses got their asses handed to them.
 
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