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Dak Prescott?

What are the odds that Dak Prescott plays for Dallas in 2021?

  • A. They will franchise tag him again, so he plays

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • B. He's eventually going to cost too much so, they will move up to draft his replacement. He's gone!

    Votes: 6 46.2%
  • C. Is he tradable, if so, they'll do that this year.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D. Something else... What?

    Votes: 2 15.4%

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gkekoa

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he has always been a tight ass when it comes to spending money . he is the type that thinks you can pay good guys cheaply and that you can get something for nothing .

there is more to filling out a team then getting athletes . leadership , continuity , advancement culture .

who wants to play for a team that asks you to work your ass off , stay loyal to the team , and then when you become the best at what you do they give you a fat dick for an offer .?

and if i am the players on this team and see that the bottom line is trying to win on the cheap , then why not only think about myself ?

sorry but i dont want to have RG end up like FS . an endless search

right now we have 2Snap and wes fucking martin and oh year nosnap ismael . that screams mediocre and moses and lucas FA's next year

all pro , possible HOF players dont grow on trees . and when you get one you suck it up and pay them

Not at all. I am a market value guy. Let Scherff find out the market only views him as 15 mil/season.

I wanted to pay KC Because it made sense.

Paying a G that amount of money is a bad move.
 

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Not at all. I am a market value guy. Let Scherff find out the market only views him as 15 mil/season.

I wanted to pay KC Because it made sense.

Paying a G that amount of money is a bad move.
that is the going rate for an all pro OG if i am an agent why take 15 mil when i can get 18 mil
 

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It's all pretty clear to me, $18M vs free agency!

Washington drove up the price by not tirelessly working to reach an agreement last year and tagging him at $15M thus creating the baseline.I believe that the former going price for top-of-the-line G's was between $13M and $15M with the latter being the floor now. Whether or not he gets more than that here or in free agency is TBD.
 

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he isnt signing a contract for less then last years tag . that's just foolish . i do think he wants to be here and i would do everything reasonable to resign him . it will cost between 15 and 18 mil . in a few years that will be run of the mil . KC's contract today is less then you would pay for DAK .

what does that say to allen payne sweat young and TMAC ? that you rise to being among the best at your position but fuck you we wont pay you because we like another shiny new toy ?

we will never be consistent winners by letting our best guys go . we arent drafting an all pro OG in this draft, its a weak class , however we can draft 2 wrs and still get a great upgrade at wr

i am sure you can put escalators in the contract based on snap counts and such

and sherf is under no obligation to come back with an offer so you can match it . if a team offers him 19 mil then what ? that would be the market value now wouldnt it ? pay the man its that simple


Why? Do you really believe he is going to get a huge contract elsewhere? The market dictates his value.

Here is the market for Guards.

Scherff was he highest at just over 15 million.

Joe Thunder, Brandon Brooks, and Zack Martin come in at 14-15.

Norwell is 13.3.

After that, you see the truer market at 10-12 million.

Scherff is a better player than mere market, but he is a guard. He won’t get more than 15 million from any team. If another team wants to pay him 19 million, let his ass walk. What if another team offers him 30 million? You just called that Mathew new market. Should we pay him?
 

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How do you fig
that is the going rate for an all pro OG if i am an agent why take 15 mil when i can get 18 mil

How do you figure that is the going rate? That wasn’t the rate last season with a higher cap. Now you want to pay a higher cap percentage for a lesser position. It is foolish.
 

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How do you fig


How do you figure that is the going rate? That wasn’t the rate last season with a higher cap. Now you want to pay a higher cap percentage for a lesser position. It is foolish.
The tag is 18 mil
 

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How do you figure that is the going rate? That wasn’t the rate last season with a higher cap. Now you want to pay a higher cap percentage for a lesser position. It is foolish.
I was with you until this post because I thought that you were counting the tag numbers. For the record, they tagged him at $15M a year ago, and with that Washington reset the scale upon which OG's were paid. Like every other position, top-of-the-line OG's can now command that rate instead of the former $13-$15M when they become free agents. I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that BS will get the $18M contract indicated by this year's cap number, but I do not doubt that he will get more than $15M somewhere if not here. My guess is he'll come in somewhere between $16 and $17M. What won't happen is a market snub, where he languishes in unsigned territory for an extended period of time. (unless there's collusion to reign in salaries ala Dak and possibly BS but that another topic)
 

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Do we know when the final NFL Cap # will be decided? That may ease some of the disagreements with BS likely making 17per
 

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I was with you until this post because I thought that you were counting the tag numbers. For the record, they tagged him at $15M a year ago, and with that Washington reset the scale upon which OG's were paid. Like every other position, top-of-the-line OG's can now command that rate instead of the former $13-$15M when they become free agents. I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that BS will get the $18M contract indicated by this year's cap number, but I do not doubt that he will get more than $15M somewhere if not here. My guess is he'll come in somewhere between $16 and $17M. What won't happen is a market snub, where he languishes in unsigned territory for an extended period of time. (unless there's collusion to reign in salaries ala Dak and possibly BS but that another topic)

Yes they did tag him at 15 million...no argument.

It is only slightly higher than the other top guards in the league. There are very few teams that will,pay guards these salaries.

Years ago, RBs were paid extremely well. Teams now realize that RBs are a dime a dozen and not worth the investment. The same is going for guards. 15 million this coming year is equal to about 16-17 million last year because of the reduced cap.

You call it reigning in salaries...I call it good business. Small markets can’t compete.
 

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I was with you until this post because I thought that you were counting the tag numbers. For the record, they tagged him at $15M a year ago, and with that Washington reset the scale upon which OG's were paid. Like every other position, top-of-the-line OG's can now command that rate instead of the former $13-$15M when they become free agents. I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that BS will get the $18M contract indicated by this year's cap number, but I do not doubt that he will get more than $15M somewhere if not here. My guess is he'll come in somewhere between $16 and $17M. What won't happen is a market snub, where he languishes in unsigned territory for an extended period of time. (unless there's collusion to reign in salaries ala Dak and possibly BS but that another topic)
Don't think Seattle won't try to swoop in and nab Sherff for Russ to eliminate all those crazy trade talks.
 

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Yes they did tag him at 15 million...no argument.

It is only slightly higher than the other top guards in the league. There are very few teams that will,pay guards these salaries.

Years ago, RBs were paid extremely well. Teams now realize that RBs are a dime a dozen and not worth the investment. The same is going for guards. 15 million this coming year is equal to about 16-17 million last year because of the reduced cap.

You call it reigning in salaries...I call it good business. Small markets can’t compete.
Yeah, then QB's, WR's and on down the line. I get your position, workers should be paid as little money as possible, but in the real world where everything goes up except salaries that economic philosophy is bound to collapse as it did before leading up to the great depression.

BTW: with respect to your "good business" stance, and small markets, perhaps they should join and invest in the global economy that's all the rage these days. :nod: However, if they can't compete, maybe they shouldn't try to play with the big boys and just stay in the baby pool. You know NFL light (college ball) :D
 

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Don't think Seattle won't try to swoop in and nab Sherff for Russ to eliminate all those crazy trade talks.
I agree and the Bengals, New York Giants (hate this one), L.A. Chargers, Cardinals, and Denver are already targeting him in free agency if it comes to that. One thing that's certain, there will be plenty of suitors going after his services. This is why I believe that Washington MUST put up a competitive offer in the high $16M to mid $17M dollar range just to get his attention. Hopefully, Washington can re-sign him to something in that range because if he goes elsewhere and signs for $18M+ our fellow poster @GK might be inclined to serve up a string of negative personality adjectives all ending with an exclamatory "Fuk him!!" or something similar. :pound:(we wouldn't want that!!)
 
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The size of the markets don’t matter , they all have the same cap number .
 

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I agree and the Bengals, New York Giants (hate this one), L.A. Chargers, Cardinals, and Denver are already targeting him in free agency if it comes to that. One thing that's certain, there will be plenty of suitors going after his services. This is why I believe that Washington MUST put up a competitive offer in the high $16M to mid $17M dollar range just to get his attention. Hopefully, Washington can re-sign him to something in that range because if he goes elsewhere and signs for $18M+ our fellow poster @GK might be inclined to serve up a string of negative personality adjectives all ending with an exclamatory "Fuk him!!" or something similar. :pound:(we wouldn't want that!!)
 

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If he would sign for 16.5 over 5 years that would net 82.5m. Guarantee the first 3 years at 49.5. My gut says he signs that deal to stay. The deal becomes a bargain in years 3-5.
 

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Yeah, then QB's, WR's and on down the line. I get your position, workers should be paid as little money as possible, but in the real world where everything goes up except salaries that economic philosophy is bound to collapse as it did before leading up to the great depression.

BTW: with respect to your "good business" stance, and small markets, perhaps they should join and invest in the global economy that's all the rage these days. :nod: However, if they can't compete, maybe they shouldn't try to play with the big boys and just stay in the baby pool. You know NFL light (college ball) :D

The global economy...it is a funny thing. If all economies played by the same rules, you would have a point. Businesses will gladly take advantage of the cheap labor in China for US business profit.
 

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The global economy...it is a funny thing. If all economies played by the same rules, you would have a point. Businesses will gladly take advantage of the cheap labor in China for US business profit.
If it's in the cards, perhaps someday you and I will get an opportunity to sit and talk politics, economics, and a number of other topics that aren't allowed here. :suds:
 
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