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[SmokingMonkey]

So that brings up the next point LOL...

For the rushing leaders...how dominant was that teams' passing game as far as ranking in the NFL? This is a never-ending cycle

last year Henry was used to set up the passing attack via play action, and Tannehill, who many had written off, was both hyper-efficient and productive in that role.

doesn't hurt when you have a YAC machine like AJ Brown to throw the ball to on the PA passes.

expecting some regression for Tannehill, but not a whole lot, he avg 260yds/2.2TDs in his 10 starts last year, and I think that's feasible again.

 

[averagejoe]

So that brings up the next point LOL...

For the rushing leaders...how dominant was that teams' passing game as far as ranking in the NFL? This is a never-ending cycle

I'll just sit tight for a few hours. Youve been doing your own research just fine!

 

[Shanemansj13]

So we've established how many wins these teams had...now, how was their passing game compared to the rest of the league...


2019 - Henry - 9 wins - 20th in passing
2018 - Zeke - 10 wins - 19th in passing
2017 - Hunt - 10 wins - 7th in passing
2016 - Zeke - 13 wins - 22th in passing
2015 - AP - 11 wins - 31st in passing
2014 - Murray - 12 wins - 15th in passing
2013 - McCoy - 10 wins - 8th in passing
2012 - AP - 10 wins - 32nd in passing
2011 - Jones-Drew - 5 wins - 32nd in passing
2010 - Foster - 6 wins - 4th in passing
2009 - CJ2K - 8 wins - 25th in passing
2008 - AP - 10 wins - 25th in passing
2007 - LT - 11 wins - 25th in passing
2006 - LT - 14 wins - 16th in passing
2005 - Alexander - 13 wins - 14th in passing
2004 - Martin - 10 wins - 23rd in passing
2003 - Jamal Lewis - 10 wins - 32nd in passing
2002 - Ricky Williams - 9 wins - 26th in passing
2001 - Holmes - 6 wins - 6th in passing
2000 - Edge - 10 wins - 3rd in passing

 

[Trudem]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Jamaal Williams might get cut before the season.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Jamaal Williams might get cut before the season.

I saw one site that had him as a sleeper lol

 

[TREFF]

So we've established how many wins these teams had...now, how was their passing game compared to the rest of the league...


2019 - Henry - 9 wins - 20th in passing
2018 - Zeke - 10 wins - 19th in passing
2017 - Hunt - 10 wins - 7th in passing
2016 - Zeke - 13 wins - 22th in passing
2015 - AP - 11 wins - 31st in passing
2014 - Murray - 12 wins - 15th in passing
2013 - McCoy - 10 wins - 8th in passing
2012 - AP - 10 wins - 32nd in passing
2011 - Jones-Drew - 5 wins - 32nd in passing
2010 - Foster - 6 wins - 4th in passing
2009 - CJ2K - 8 wins - 25th in passing
2008 - AP - 10 wins - 25th in passing
2007 - LT - 11 wins - 25th in passing
2006 - LT - 14 wins - 16th in passing
2005 - Alexander - 13 wins - 14th in passing
2004 - Martin - 10 wins - 23rd in passing
2003 - Jamal Lewis - 10 wins - 32nd in passing
2002 - Ricky Williams - 9 wins - 26th in passing
2001 - Holmes - 6 wins - 6th in passing
2000 - Edge - 10 wins - 3rd in passing

Looks like, at least in the surface, evidence to my own personal theory of, "great passing CAN win games, a strong rushing game DOES win games"

 

[Shanemansj13]

Looks like, at least in the surface, evidence to my own personal theory of, "great passing CAN win games, a strong rushing game DOES win games"

Yeah, it does appear you don't need a top 10 or really top 15 passing offense to have a successful playoff team or that is a top rusher...really this progressed from Chubb leading the league in rushing. I think the most likely scenario of Chubb not leading is: A. The Browns don't win games B. Hunt takes a bigger load than we expect.

I see A the bigger issue imo.

 

[Trudem]

I saw one site that had him as a sleeper lol

I love his game game but he has to be buried and the packers are cap poor

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I love his game game but he has to be buried and the packers are cap poor

in the year of the Rona, I'd actually be kinda surprised to see anyone that had meaningful touches last season on a playoff caliber team get cut when they are still on their rookie contract.

there's a very real possibility that these teams will need every available body.

 

[Trudem]

in the year of the Rona, I'd actually be kinda surprised to see anyone that had meaningful touches last season on a playoff caliber team get cut when they are still on their rookie contract.

there's a very real possibility that these teams will need every available body.

We have invested a lot at RB lately. Compare that to the WR position and I might cry

 

[SmokingMonkey]

We have invested a lot at RB lately. Compare that to the WR position and I might cry

I think GB is at least doing the RB side right for today's game - they have invested a lot of draft capital into RB, but not cap capital....if that makes sense

the whole avoiding WR at all costs this year was a head scratcher. lots of good talent in the 2nd/3rd and they didn't seem interested at all.

 

[Trudem]

I think GB is at least doing the RB side right for today's game - they have invested a lot of draft capital into RB, but not cap capital....if that makes sense

the whole avoiding WR at all costs this year was a head scratcher. lots of good talent in the 2nd/3rd and they didn't seem interested at all.

I know. I was disappointed.

 

[averagejoe]

@Shanemansj13

Did not look up the runner-ups to the rushing leaders.
But I did look up the rushing leaders.
And taking @MilkSpiller22 suggestion, I just went back a decade.
Here's the leaders and what they did the following season.
Sorry for the crude graphics - I'm tired.

Bonus: I did the math. On average, the following season, the rushing leader's yardage is 59%. So like I said earlier, it's tough to repeat. And repeat just as strong.



More:
Rushing leader average = 1674.0
Following year average = 991.6

 

[Shanemansj13]

@Shanemansj13

Did not look up the runner-ups to the rushing leaders.
But I did look up the rushing leaders.
And taking @MilkSpiller22 suggestion, I just went back a decade.
Here's the leaders and what they did the following season.
Sorry for the crude graphics - I'm tired.

Bonus: I did the math. On average, the following season, the rushing leader's yardage is 59%. So like I said earlier, it's tough to repeat. And repeat just as strong.

View attachment 250724

More:
Rushing leader average = 1674.0
Following year average = 991.6

That doesn’t bode well for Henry

 

[Shanemansj13]

@Shanemansj13

Did not look up the runner-ups to the rushing leaders.
But I did look up the rushing leaders.
And taking @MilkSpiller22 suggestion, I just went back a decade.
Here's the leaders and what they did the following season.
Sorry for the crude graphics - I'm tired.

Bonus: I did the math. On average, the following season, the rushing leader's yardage is 59%. So like I said earlier, it's tough to repeat. And repeat just as strong.

View attachment 250724

More:
Rushing leader average = 1674.0
Following year average = 991.6

I guess Zeke came closest to repeating. That would have been 3 out of 4 for him.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

@Shanemansj13

Did not look up the runner-ups to the rushing leaders.
But I did look up the rushing leaders.
And taking @MilkSpiller22 suggestion, I just went back a decade.
Here's the leaders and what they did the following season.
Sorry for the crude graphics - I'm tired.

Bonus: I did the math. On average, the following season, the rushing leader's yardage is 59%. So like I said earlier, it's tough to repeat. And repeat just as strong.

View attachment 250724

More:
Rushing leader average = 1674.0
Following year average = 991.6

That doesn’t bode well for Henry

obviously we all know that monster workloads can lead to injuries the following season.
if you remove the injury guys, that 2nd yr avg jumps to 1,215

 

[Shanemansj13]

obviously we all know that monster workloads can lead to injuries the following season.
if you remove the injury guys, that 2nd yr avg jumps to 1,215

Not too bad then but odds are Henry doesn’t repeat. I just think everything clicked for TEN

 

[Lamarvelous]

Looks like, at least in the surface, evidence to my own personal theory of, "great passing CAN win games, a strong rushing game DOES win games"

Firm disagree. A strong running game usually comes from being ahead in games and running the ball to chew clock. Most teams that are successful in today's NFL don't get ahead by rushing the ball, they get ahead by passing which makes it more logical/practical to run the ball.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that rushing yards =/= winning but winning = rushing yards.

 

[Lamarvelous]

Yeah, it does appear you don't need a top 10 or really top 15 passing offense to have a successful playoff team or that is a top rusher...really this progressed from Chubb leading the league in rushing. I think the most likely scenario of Chubb not leading is: A. The Browns don't win games B. Hunt takes a bigger load than we expect.

I see A the bigger issue imo.

But you do... Look at the efficiency stats. The top 10 teams in passing DVOA from last season were...

Baltimore
KC
Seattle
New Orleans
Dallas
Tennessee
Oakland
SF
LAC
Minnesota

That's 7/12 playoff teams, 3/4 of the top 4 seeds, 3/4 teams that played in their respective championship games, and both super bowl teams. I'd consider most of those to be a success.

Now compare that to the top 10 in rushing DVOA...

Baltimore
Arizona
Dallas
GB
Tennessee
Seattle
Indy
Cleveland
Carolina
New Orleans

5/12 playoff teams, 2/4 top 4 seeds, 2/4 championship game participants, and 0 SB participants.

 

[Shanemansj13]

But you do... Look at the efficiency stats. The top 10 teams in passing DVOA from last season were...

Baltimore
KC
Seattle
New Orleans
Dallas
Tennessee
Oakland
SF
LAC
Minnesota

That's 7/12 playoff teams, 3/4 of the top 4 seeds, 3/4 teams that played in their respective championship games, and both super bowl teams. I'd consider most of those to be a success.

Now compare that to the top 10 in rushing DVOA...

Baltimore
Arizona
Dallas
GB
Tennessee
Seattle
Indy
Cleveland
Carolina
New Orleans

5/12 playoff teams, 2/4 top 4 seeds, 2/4 championship game participants, and 0 SB participants.

To be clear, we only looked at leading rushers and the teams they played on, that’s why I said the bold. This isn’t a conversation to win a SB or establish a clear playoff team for years or anything. For the most part you need to be pretty balanced and have a solid defense...but for a player to lead the league in rushing...you need to be over .500 and most likely a playoff team but statistically you don’t have to be a good/great passing team. It stemmed off me saying I think Chubb can lead the league in rushing possibly.