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[TREFF]

Cowboys getting Griffen to go along with Lawrence, Aldon Smith, and potentially Gregory???

Haskins, Wentz, and Jones, you've been put on notice.

Front seven looking pretty strong. Still have some doubts about that secondary though. Offense is stacked, on paper. Fingers crossed

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Front seven looking pretty strong. Still have some doubts about that secondary though. Offense is stacked, on paper. Fingers crossed

if there was ever a year for the 'Boys, 2020 is it, lol

 

[SmokingMonkey]

49ers locked up the best TE in the game for the next 5 seasons

 

[Shanemansj13]

Browns' Nick Chubb is primed for rushing title in 2020 season

In case anyway was interested.

47 yards from a rushing title with a shitty coach and below average OL. You would think it's only up for him...I think he is going to have an amazing year. I'm trying not to be a homer here but his running style is just something I haven't seen in a long time. I feel like he is Derrick Henry at his best with better vision.

 

[TREFF]

Browns' Nick Chubb is primed for rushing title in 2020 season

In case anyway was interested.

47 yards from a rushing title with a shitty coach and below average OL. You would think it's only up for him...I think he is going to have an amazing year. I'm trying not to be a homer here but his running style is just something I haven't seen in a long time. I feel like he is Derrick Henry at his best with better vision.

47 yards away, but 8 games without Hunt, plus a few where Hunt wasnt fully integrated into the game plan. Ain't gonna have that luxury this season

 

[Shanemansj13]

47 yards away, but 8 games without Hunt, plus a few where Hunt wasnt fully integrated into the game plan. Ain't gonna have that luxury this season

Yeah but in Stefanski's system we could see even more rush attempts. Hunt will get his carries no doubt but I think 2 RB/2 TE's will be used a lot...Hunt also in the slot. I don't think this should really hurt Chubb too much. I think what helps Chubb is his threat to go 70 on any given play like Saquon. If I was a Saquon owner with a good pass-catching backup I wouldn't feel threatened. Now, if this doesn't affect his production, will it affect it enough to lose the rushing title? Possibly but who really knows with Hunt anyway...can we even trust he won't mess up again. It's been proven you can win the title with around 270 carries which would be 17/game BUT on a low year...I think if the top RB's stay healthy it might take 1600-1700 to win it..maybe higher. It difficult seeing him get over 300 imo.

I'm interested to know what RB's have won the rushing title having a very good backup as well. Chris Johnson? He had LenDale White..but I feel if your Rb1 is producing at an extremely high level you keep feeding especially with this Stefanski system.

 

[averagejoe]

Tough to repeat too.
If Chubb was 47 yards away...
Just saying.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Tough to repeat too.
If Chubb was 47 yards away...
Just saying.

Yeah even if carries drop is it far-fetched seeing him average 5.5-6 a pop...I don't think so. With 250-270 carries he could reach 1500.

 

[TREFF]

Haha, lendale White...ouch baby.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I guess it is kind of unrealistic.

RB's that averaged 5.5 or higher in a season (200+ carries)

Jim Brown 6.4
Jamal Charles 6.4
Barry Sanders 6.1
O.J. Simpson 6.0
Adrian Peterson 6.0
C.J. Spiller 6.0
Jim Brown 5.9
Jim Brown 5.8
Barry Sanders 5.7
Chris Johnson 5.6
Adrian Peterson 5.6
Eric Dickerson 5.6
James Brooks 5.6
Walter Payton 5.5
O.J. Simpson 5.5
Clinton Portis 5.5 2x
DeAngelo Williams 5.5
Marshall Faulk 5.5
Robert Smith 5.5
Leroy Kelly 5.5

 

[Shanemansj13]

Haha, lendale White...ouch baby.

 

[TREFF]

Yeah but in Stefanski's system we could see even more rush attempts. Hunt will get his carries no doubt but I think 2 RB/2 TE's will be used a lot...Hunt also in the slot. I don't think this should really hurt Chubb too much. I think what helps Chubb is his threat to go 70 on any given play like Saquon. If I was a Saquon owner with a good pass-catching backup I wouldn't feel threatened. Now, if this doesn't affect his production, will it affect it enough to lose the rushing title? Possibly but who really knows with Hunt anyway...can we even trust he won't mess up again. It's been proven you can win the title with around 270 carries which would be 17/game BUT on a low year...I think if the top RB's stay healthy it might take 1600-1700 to win it..maybe higher. It difficult seeing him get over 300 imo.

I'm interested to know what RB's have won the rushing title having a very good backup as well. Chris Johnson? He had LenDale White..but I feel if your Rb1 is producing at an extremely high level you keep feeding especially with this Stefanski system.

The only duo I can come up with, from, at least as far back as the 80's, is 06' & 07' LT, whose backup was Michael the Burner Turner, who went onto a pretty good careerof his own in ATL, nearly winning the rushing title in '08. But in the 2 years LT won the title, Turner had 80 & 71carries respectively. Its not like they shared touches in any meaningful way.

Interesting that Chubb is going for it, with a backfield mate, who has already won it..and is still in his prime though.

 

[Shanemansj13]

The only duo I can come up with, from, at least as far back as the 80's, is 06' & 07' LT, whose backup was Michael the Burner Turner, who went onto a pretty good careerof his own in ATL, nearly winning the rushing title in '08. But in the 2 years LT won the title, Turner had 80 & 71carries respectively. Its not like they shared touches in any meaningful way.

Interesting that Chubb is going for it, with a backfield mate, who has already won it..and is still in his prime though.

I just think when you have a stud you make an effort to get him 275+ carries at least...Hunt is a great player and should double his carries which would be around 80 or so but Chubb at the worst will get an average of 15 carries a week but probably more.

So last year he had 15 carries+ in 15 games (13 in the last game). I don't think that is going to change and he got more than 20 in only 3 games so the carries were steady. BUT that was with Kitchens and Hunt out half the year so...I just think there is more opportunity for both of these RB's in Stefanski's system. Hunt as a receiver mainly with about 1/4 of the carries.

I think it could be split up like this:
Chubb 280 or more
Hunt 70-80

 

[TREFF]

I just think when you have a stud you make an effort to get him 275+ carries at least..

Therein lies the key. Is Hunt also a stud, deserving of those carries/touches? Theres certainly an argument to be made for sure. My personal opinion, is the Chubb SHOULD get the lions share, as I truly feel he is easily the better overall running back. But even with that opinion of Chubb, I think a coach would be a fool to not fully utilize as many weapons, as often as possible. To me, that breakdown has gotta be no worse than 3-1, which would be about 250 for Chubb and 80-90 for Hunt..and even that seems like neglecting an asset. Maybe even closer to 2 to 1. Which would mean they'd likely need to be running the ball around 30 times a game, not counting QB runs/scrambles, to get Chubb the roughly 20 per game he'd need to realistically compete with the Zeke's and D. Henry's of the league. Not out of the realm of possibility, but rare in today's game.

 

[averagejoe]

I'm interested to know what RB's have won the rushing title having a very good backup as well. Chris Johnson? He had LenDale White..but I feel if your Rb1 is producing at an extremely high level you keep feeding especially with this Stefanski system.

This interested me.
I just did a quick search on RB that had 1000 yards from scrimmage. (Not rushing title RB.)
Then I sorted by season and then by team (to get the dual threats from the same team).
I only went back to the 2000 season.
There were only 16 sets of RB who both had 1000 yards from scrimmage in the same season.
To put that in perspective, if this happened on every team in every season since 2000, there would be 608 pairs.
If my math correct, the 16 pairs represent .03% of the time or less than 1%. So it's rare.


If you're interested, these are the sets:




Also interesting since LenDale White and Chris Johnson were mentioned...
One of them did really well, but the other did not in alternating seasons.
White only lasted 4 seasons. Three really.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Therein lies the key. Is Hunt also a stud, deserving of those carries/touches? Theres certainly an argument to be made for sure. My personal opinion, is the Chubb SHOULD get the lions share, as I truly feel he is easily the better overall running back. But even with that opinion of Chubb, I think a coach would be a fool to not fully utilize as many weapons, as often as possible. To me, that breakdown has gotta be no worse than 3-1, which would be about 250 for Chubb and 80-90 for Hunt..and even that seems like neglecting an asset. Maybe even closer to 2 to 1. Which would mean they'd likely need to be running the ball around 30 times a game, not counting QB runs/scrambles, to get Chubb the roughly 20 per game he'd need to realistically compete with the Zeke's and D. Henry's of the league. Not out of the realm of possibility, but rare in today's game.

But it wouldn't be neglecting him if he was used in the passing game more often. I mean they have a lot of weapons to feed so someone will be neglected but I think he can see a lot of targets out of the backfield or slot. Of course, Hunt has proved in the past to be great running the ball as well so yeah..it's hard to say at this point especially with a new coach and system.

 

[Shanemansj13]

This interested me.
I just did a quick search on RB that had 1000 yards from scrimmage. (Not rushing title RB.)
Then I sorted by season and then by team (to get the dual threats from the same team).
I only went back to the 2000 season.
There were only 16 sets of RB who both had 1000 yards from scrimmage in the same season.
To put that in perspective, if this happened on every team in every season since 2000, there would be 608 pairs.
If my math correct, the 16 pairs represent .03% of the time or less than 1%. So it's rare.


If you're interested, these are the sets:

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Also interesting since LenDale White and Chris Johnson were mentioned...
One of them did really well, but the other did not in alternating seasons.
White only lasted 4 seasons. Three really.

Love this, this definitely puts it more into perspective and I see this is yards from scrimmage. I think that is a possiblity for Hunt if he is a big threat in the receiving game. He has the talent.

I'm surprised it's this many duos tbh.

So last year Chubb had 1,772 and in 8 games Hunt had 464. I don't see it anywhere close to that lopsided obviously.

We could see split maybe like KC '10 Charles-Jones or HOU '11 Foster-Tate.

Chubb - 1,600 rushing 300 receiving
Hunt - 500 rushing, 600 receiving

It would be difficult seeing Chubb winning the rushing title with 1,600 but who knows.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

We could see split maybe like KC '10 Charles-Jones or HOU '11 Foster-Tate.

how many wins do you have the browns pegged for this season?

game script typically is the biggest factor in the team's RB2 getting significant work

Spoiler: Record for '10 KC and '11 HOU

both went 10-6

 

[Shanemansj13]

how many wins do you have the browns pegged for this season?

game script typically is the biggest factor in the team's RB2 getting significant work

Spoiler: Record for '10 KC and '11 HOU

both went 10-6

Uhh after last season and changes it's hard to anticipate. I like to aim low lol.

@ BAL
CIN
WASH
@ DAL
INDY
@ PIT
@ CIN
LV
HOU
PHI
@ JAX
TEN
BAL
@ NYG
@ NYJ
PIT

Looking at the schedule...8 or 9 wins. I swear last year they had so many games thrown away either by turnovers or just terrible coaching. I think 8 or 9 is fair. Yeah I would be thrilled with 10 wins...

So 2010 Chiefs were 14th offensively and 11th defensively and lost in WC round
2011 Texans were 10th offensively and 4th defensively and won a WC, lost in Div.

Both had solid QB play with Cassel and Schaub, veterans. I think a step below them is fair but you would think with this talent it could equate to more. I'll stay low at 8 wins

 

[averagejoe]

Love this, this definitely puts it more into perspective and I see this is yards from scrimmage. I think that is a possiblity for Hunt if he is a big threat in the receiving game. He has the talent.

Glad you like it.
But some may be hesitant to follow an optimistic view for a few reasons.

1. Cleveland does have a somewhat cursed track record. (My Bears are neck & neck so I feel your pain.)
2. Duos are not that common.
3. Many agree that this is a passing league so dual RB success would not be the norm.
4. Plus, RB just dont get 20+ touches per game like they used to.
5. Cleveland does have a lot of weapons with OBJ and Nojuko in addition to Chubb and Hunt. Even very good prolific offenses with those type of options can bite fantasy owners for a lack of consistency. Just look at KC, NE and NO where Kelce, Thomas and maybe Edelman are the focal point while everyone else gets sloppy seconds.