Let's do this. Dak or Wentz as your QB moving forward

[Manster7588]

Right, and that was with possibly the worst group of WRs in the league, no one at all who could stretch the field and track a ball deep outside of the first game. He is going to have the most speed he has ever had at WR this upcoming season which is going to blend perfectly in the offense to benefit the best TE duo in the league and one of the emerging top receiving threats out of the backfield in Sanders. You can look back at the one year he had a deep threat in 2017 and he wasn't even that big of a producer in the offense but it opened things up and we saw the result.

Again you are increasing all his stats except for the negative ones.

How many fumbles from Wentz do you predict? 3?

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Your giving him 150 to 1 odds and his only response is to Facepalm you.

Handicappers is only slightly smarter than Oscar. Probably debatable.

 

[Godstree]

Yep that was 13 games (note even full 13 games because he didn't play in the 4th quarter of that 13th one which he was having a great game). 33 interceptions and 7 interceptions.


Meanwhile Dak last year in 16 games with all of his complimentary talent on offense for the season only threw 30 TDs while also throwing 11 interceptions.

I am no doubt high on Dak even though his numbers weren't as stellar as I would have liked.

 

[Manster7588]

No, fuck face. It was obvious the Eagles weren’t gonna have “the division wrapped up by week 14 or 15”. That’s why you owed before season was over. Then you didn’t pay up and were dodging me for over a month. Then you didn’t even wear your avatar for the correct length of time. You’re the fucking retard

I just cant see YOU not giving him an AVI. His fantasy land life goes beyond Wentz apparently.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

No, fuck face. It was obvious the Eagles weren’t gonna have “the division wrapped up by week 14 or 15”. That’s why you owed before season was over. Then you didn’t pay up and were dodging me for over a month. Then you didn’t even wear your avatar for the correct length of time. You’re the fucking retard

I didn't owe you before the season when the bet was to wear your avatar for the postseason. There was no clause put in place to wear the avatar before the season.

Go sniff some more paint.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Wilson/Carroll>>>> Wentz/Pederson not really fair

Very true, but Wentz/Dougie get another shot to stop the losing streak at home again.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Again you are increasing all his stats except for the negative ones.

How many fumbles from Wentz do you predict? 3?

Yes because I think entering his prime in his 5th season with the speed he has on offense to go with the rest of the talent he has on offense that he is set for a MVP type season. I don't think he is going to be passing all that much more than he already has been, I just think the tools are going to be in place for him to be much more efficient and productive with the better receiving talent to play with. His decision making ability and ball placement is not going to go away and he will throw more touchdowns as a result for WRs being able to catch the same passes he has been throwing down the field or guys like Ertz and Goedert potentially getting even more open with defenses having to respect the deep ball.

That's just the natural evolution of a great QB to improve throwing more touchdowns and yards while maintaining ore reducing the amount of interceptions they throw. Wentz has already established it as part of his game that he isn't a guy who is going to throw a lot of interceptions. If anything his average interceptions per year is likely to go down as he continues to gain experience and evolve as a player. You can look at QBs like Brees, Manning, Brady & Rodgers to see this among others.

Rodgers for example went from 3,922 yards, 28 TDs & 11 interceptions at age 27 to 4,643 yards, 45 TDs & 6 interceptions at age 28.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Very true, but Wentz/Dougie get another shot to stop the losing streak at home again.

The Seahawks run of dominance on the Eagles reminds me of the Eagles run of dominance on the Bucs back in the early 00s. Eventually though a time will come when that tide turns and like it did for the Eagles/Bucs it will likely come in the biggest of times/stages.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

No, fuck face. It was obvious the Eagles weren’t gonna have “the division wrapped up by week 14 or 15”. That’s why you owed before season was over. Then you didn’t pay up and were dodging me for over a month. Then you didn’t even wear your avatar for the correct length of time. You’re the fucking retard

You are as dumb as a box of rocks. Seriously.

 

[Manster7588]

Yes because I think entering his prime in his 5th season with the speed he has on offense to go with the rest of the talent he has on offense that he is set for a MVP type season. I don't think he is going to be passing all that much more than he already has been, I just think the tools are going to be in place for him to be much more efficient and productive with the better receiving talent to play with. His decision making ability and ball placement is not going to go away and he will throw more touchdowns as a result for WRs being able to catch the same passes he has been throwing down the field or guys like Ertz and Goedert potentially getting even more open with defenses having to respect the deep ball.

That's just the natural evolution of a great QB to improve throwing more touchdowns and yards while maintaining ore reducing the amount of interceptions they throw. Wentz has already established it as part of his game that he isn't a guy who is going to throw a lot of interceptions. If anything his average interceptions per year is likely to go down as he continues to gain experience and evolve as a player. You can look at QBs like Brees, Manning, Brady & Rodgers to see this among others.

Rodgers for example went from 3,922 yards, 28 TDs & 11 interceptions at age 27 to 4,643 yards, 45 TDs & 6 interceptions at age 28.

For as talented as Wentz is and for as many splash plays he can make, durability concerns hover over his career. Plus, we’re talking about a quarterback that’s closer to middle-of-the-pack rather than elite since his 2017 knee injury. At one point, Wentz looked poised to race past Prescott to the top of the division hierarchy. Those days are gone, and now it’s Wentz that has the catching up to do.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

The Seahawks run of dominance on the Eagles reminds me of the Eagles run of dominance on the Bucs back in the early 00s. Eventually though a time will come when that tide turns and like it did for the Eagles/Bucs it will likely come in the biggest of times/stages.

All good things will come to an end but right now both teams on paper seem evenly matched so should be another grind out game.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

For as talented as Wentz is and for as many splash plays he can make, durability concerns hover over his career. Plus, we’re talking about a quarterback that’s closer to middle-of-the-pack rather than elite since his 2017 knee injury. At one point, Wentz looked poised to race past Prescott to the top of the division hierarchy. Those days are gone, and now it’s Wentz that has the catching up to do.

Injuries is all that you have to hope fore. He just played a full 16 game season, which he has done twice now.

There isn't any catching up to do to Dak. Eagles are the defending division winners. Wentz beat Dak for the division. For all the duarbility concerns you have for Wentz and how pathetic of receiving talent he has had to play with for half of his career, I find it hilarious that Dak Prescott only has the same number of total career TD passes as Wentz despite the fact that Dak has played in 8 more career games.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yes because I think entering his prime in his 5th season with the speed he has on offense to go with the rest of the talent he has on offense that he is set for a MVP type season. I don't think he is going to be passing all that much more than he already has been, I just think the tools are going to be in place for him to be much more efficient and productive with the better receiving talent to play with. His decision making ability and ball placement is not going to go away and he will throw more touchdowns as a result for WRs being able to catch the same passes he has been throwing down the field or guys like Ertz and Goedert potentially getting even more open with defenses having to respect the deep ball.

That's just the natural evolution of a great QB to improve throwing more touchdowns and yards while maintaining ore reducing the amount of interceptions they throw. Wentz has already established it as part of his game that he isn't a guy who is going to throw a lot of interceptions. If anything his average interceptions per year is likely to go down as he continues to gain experience and evolve as a player. You can look at QBs like Brees, Manning, Brady & Rodgers to see this among others.

Rodgers for example went from 3,922 yards, 28 TDs & 11 interceptions at age 27 to 4,643 yards, 45 TDs & 6 interceptions at age 28.

The talent on the offense is Ertz, Sanders and Goedert and that's about it. The 3WRs drafted are still question marks so I can't say this is a very talented offense until they prove it.

 

[handicappers]

I didn't owe you before the season when the bet was to wear your avatar for the postseason. There was no clause put in place to wear the avatar before the season.

Go sniff some more paint.

But the money could have been paid sooner, fuck-0. I don't know if you are mentally disturbed or just an asshat, but you dodged paying you debt til I called you out.

Now be a man for once in your life and admit you're wrong AND take my bet. If not, then you don't really believe the trolling that you're doing in this thread.

 

[handicappers]

You are as dumb as a box of rocks. Seriously.

Fuck you, you don't even know what we're goin' on about. Mind your business or else.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

The talent on the offense is Ertz, Sanders and Goedert and that's about it. The 3WRs drafted are still question marks so I can't say this is a very talented offense until they prove it.

DeSean Jackson. The big thing about the speed that the Eagles brought in is that teams are going to have to respect it and that is going to open the field up for everyone else like Goedert, Ertz, Sanders and Ward. Plus that speed that is now on the outside is going to have plenty of opportunities to make catches down the field. Wentz has a huge arm and the legs to buy time, he wants to go deep and will give DeSean and Reagor plenty of chances.

 

[fightinfunbags]

DeSean Jackson. The big thing about the speed that the Eagles brought in is that teams are going to have to respect it and that is going to open the field up for everyone else like Goedert, Ertz, Sanders and Ward. Plus that speed that is now on the outside is going to have plenty of opportunities to make catches down the field. Wentz has a huge arm and the legs to buy time, he wants to go deep and will give DeSean and Reagor plenty of chances.

I’m more concerned with Wentz being able to master the RPO game and that requires him to do a better job both pre-snap and post snap. The speed on the field should make disguising coverage more difficult on the defense. This is a big factor in how the offense can improve with the change in personnel and philosophy embracing the need for speed on the field.

 

[Wamu]

For as talented as Wentz is and for as many splash plays he can make, durability concerns hover over his career. Plus, we’re talking about a quarterback that’s closer to middle-of-the-pack rather than elite since his 2017 knee injury. At one point, Wentz looked poised to race past Prescott to the top of the division hierarchy. Those days are gone, and now it’s Wentz that has the catching up to do.

Both got to the league in 2016. Dak's never misses a game. Carson's played in all 16 games twice.

Dak: 40-24 (.625) / Carson: 32-24 (.571)

Dak's never had a losing season. Twice Carson has finished a season below .500.

Dak's played in 3 playoff games. Carson played in one. Going 1-4 for 3 yards.


I got no dog in this fight. But if I have to pick one of them I'm going with the QB that isn't injury prone.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Wents in 2020: 67.8%, 4,582 yards, 8.3 YPA, 42 TD, 7 INT.

a 6 to 1 TD/INT ratio (well ok)

Seriously your way of thinking is flawed in so many ways.
Cmp. Pct. Ok is doable.
Yardage also doable.
but now lets look realistically at your prediction of YPA & beyond.
If that goes up so much higher than he ever has had before. That would mean he is throwing deeper balls a lot more than he has before. So if that became true, his Cmp pct would go down (there is a reason Qbs from the 70's & 80's had lesser cmp pct.) Also that would only logically mean there would be more INTs not less. there is a price for going deep a lot. Why do you think teams dont do it so much. 6 to 1 TD/INT ratio is just completely ridiculous. The reason he doesnt have a lot of INTs is because he doesnt take many chances. Which is also why he has so few 4th Qtr Comebacks or game winning drives. But suddenly because they added some rookie WRs he is gonna become Patrick Mahomes?

Well I guess no one can say you don't have Enthusiasm

 

[RememberTheKoy]

a 6 to 1 TD/INT ratio (well ok)

Seriously your way of thinking is flawed in so many ways.
Cmp. Pct. Ok is doable.
Yardage also doable.
but now lets look realistically at your prediction of YPA & beyond.
If that goes up so much higher than he ever has had before. That would mean he is throwing deeper balls a lot more than he has before. So if that became true, his Cmp pct would go down (there is a reason Qbs from the 70's & 80's had lesser cmp pct.) Also that would only logically mean there would be more INTs not less. there is a price for going deep a lot. Why do you think teams dont do it so much. 6 to 1 TD/INT ratio is just completely ridiculous. The reason he doesnt have a lot of INTs is because he doesnt take many chances. Which is also why he has so few 4th Qtr Comebacks or game winning drives. But suddenly because they added some rookie WRs he is gonna become Patrick Mahomes?

Well I guess no one can say you don't have Enthusiasm

Why is that so ridiculous? QBs have had similiar ratios or better for a season in recent years. If you look historically over the past 3 years (which I actually have this afternoon and a thread with that data will come out later today) then Wentz has one of the best ratios in the league. On a per game basis Wentz is throwing TDs per game at a higher rate than most QBs while also having one of the lowest interceptions per game rates in the league.


But again to show it isn't uncommon:

Rodgers went from throwing 28 TDs and 11 INTs when he was 27 to throwing 45 TDs and 6 INTs when he was 28.
Brady went from throwing 24 TDs and 12 INTs when he was 29 to throwing 50 TDs and 8 INTs when he was 30.
Manning went from throwing 29 TDs and 10 INTs when he was 27 to throwing 49 TDs and 10 INTs when he was 28.
Rivers went from throwing 21 TDs and 15 INTs when he was 26 to throwing 34 TDs and 11 INTs when he was 27.

So a QB who is heading into his age 27 season jumping from 27-7 to 42-7 is not that ludicrous as you try to make it out to be, especially when he was on his way to around the same number of TDs 3 seasons ago.