2020 Roster talk

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

I think our offense has talent and McCarthy probably believes he can get them over the hump
I think our defensive talent is completely overrated and with so many FA's, it's a great time for an overhaul. Our defensive line sucks. DT's are sub par across the board. DLaw did nothing the last couple of months of the season. Quinn had a great year but would cost a ton to bring back, and with so much committed to Lawrence, I doubt he is brought back. Lee is great but getting old, LVE and JSmith are talented but both would fit either scheme. We need a couple more corners and a safety no matter what the scheme.

I am hoping that DLaw was playing hurt and not fleecing Jerry. The cowboys are not going to win shit unless they invest more money into the D. Even though Quinn is older I would take him over DLaw any day. Quinn flat out brings it on every down .I hope we sign him

 

[jarntt]

I don't necessarily think switching to a 3-4 is a good thing personally, but I don't get the idea that our roster is so far from being able to make the switch that it would be a huge problem next year. Usually 3-4s are 4-3s on passing downs and that's like half of the downs. The way most defenses play more of a hybrid set anyway nowadays, I think whatever we call ourselves we will have a little of both next year and I think that is a good thing as it will be a little less obvious what defense we are in from play to play and what each offensive players responsibility will be from play to play

The only player that I need to know can play in a 3-4 before I can even consider switching if that is what this team wants to do is Tank. I just don't know how he would do without his hand on the ground on early downs or covering RBs on dump-off screens and he is not a 3-4 DE. 80% of what he would do would be the same but it would be, at times, from different set. Collins is good fit as a 3-4 DE if we resign him as is Covington and I guess Hill is as good as a 3-4 DE as he is a 4-3 DT for whatever that is worth. Quinn has played OLB in a 3-4. Woods would stay at NT and you probably add another NT who is a little bigger to clog things up but that is always an easy and relatively cheap signing if you want to add a guy. Crawford would likely have to bulk up again to play DE if we keep him. Smith and Van der Esch would be the ILBs - I think Jaylon could be a weak side OLB too. Secondary obviously has the easiest switch. You would of course swap out some guys and bring in some other guys via FA but that isn't a big deal. I think in general It's a little easier to draft 3-4 DL than 4-3 because you aren't necessarily looking for play makers. We need to add a couple of DL in the draft and FA so we perhaps would just look for a different skill set IF we switch. But, I thought I kept reading that Nolan runs both so who knows if we even plan on switching

 

[jarntt]

I am hoping that DLaw was playing hurt and not fleecing Jerry. The cowboys are not going to win shit unless they invest more money into the D. Even though Quinn is older I would take him over DLaw any day. Quinn flat out brings it on every down .I hope we sign him

Quinn got more pressure plays this year on the QB in big spots but didn't get as much attention as D Law from the OL. Plus D Law is much stronger at the point of attack in the run game. I'm not one to try and justify his season just because he was double-teamed because he is getting paid a lot of money and needs to get to the QB even when doubled like other highly paid pass rushers or he isn't worth it, but I don't think he had this crappy season that some are alluding to either.

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

I guess I don't see our defense as bad as some saw it. I saw a team that was missing an incredible talent for half the season in LVE. His loss hurt us in ways we could not cover. Much like when we had the previous LB group (Hitchens, Lee and Wilson) we were dead in the water when Lee was gone, I feel the same exact thing happened this year. Only difference is our defense of 2019 was able to slow down offenses rather than become a highway to the endzone. I also saw the need to bring in a better safety, and the shocking realization to me was we were far worse when we didn't have Heath than when he played - main point being tackling.

It remains to be seen how DC-MN views what he needs in order to fix our defense up to play for him in his version. He may be able to light a fire under Try. Hill and just the opportunity of having a new coach he may be able to get in his good graces and meet some expectations. I doubt DC-MN will attempt to change much about the personnel, but he does like to have a good pass rush. He will likely ask Jerry to retain Robert Quinn or spend a draft pick on a prototype edge player in his ilk. We do still have RG, but cannot count on that guy coming back.

At this point, I'd be looking at getting better in the secondary in the draft - CB & S, another OL, a true Nose for when he wants that 3-4 look (Collins/Covington at RDE, DLaw/Crawford at LDE) get that best player avail. in the 1st round and then get some ST help with a new kicker.

 

[jarntt]

I guess I don't see our defense as bad as some saw it. I saw a team that was missing an incredible talent for half the season in LVE. His loss hurt us in ways we could not cover. Much like when we had the previous LB group (Hitchens, Lee and Wilson) we were dead in the water when Lee was gone, I feel the same exact thing happened this year. Only difference is our defense of 2019 was able to slow down offenses rather than become a highway to the endzone. I also saw the need to bring in a better safety, and the shocking realization to me was we were far worse when we didn't have Heath than when he played - main point being tackling.

It remains to be seen how DC-MN views what he needs in order to fix our defense up to play for him in his version. He may be able to light a fire under Try. Hill and just the opportunity of having a new coach he may be able to get in his good graces and meet some expectations. I doubt DC-MN will attempt to change much about the personnel, but he does like to have a good pass rush. He will likely ask Jerry to retain Robert Quinn or spend a draft pick on a prototype edge player in his ilk. We do still have RG, but cannot count on that guy coming back.

At this point, I'd be looking at getting better in the secondary in the draft - CB & S, another OL, a true Nose for when he wants that 3-4 look (Collins/Covington at RDE, DLaw/Crawford at LDE) get that best player avail. in the 1st round and then get some ST help with a new kicker.

The only reason I will not only just disagree with you but disagree strongly that LVE missing is why we played pretty poorly, is because LVE was not good at all when he did play this year. Now if you want to attribute his poor play to the injury also (I'm hoping it was) then I agree with you

 

[Manster7588]

The only reason I will not only just disagree with you but disagree strongly that LVE missing is why we played pretty poorly, is because LVE was not good at all when he did play this year. Now if you want to attribute his poor play to the injury also (I'm hoping it was) then I agree with you

I think a lot of the D played lower than I expected. LVE and J. Smith are two of the bigger disappointments IMO.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

Cowboys need to get back to BPA in the early rounds lots of ways to go at 17. May have to make critical decision on Coop. Great receiver,but I did not like what I was seeing towards the end of the season. Ruggins, Ceedee or Jeudy could be in play at 17. Too me if we let byron go then we almost have to take a corner in 1st round. Me personally would still take delpit at 17 and then focus on corner round 2. I trust mcclay to draft well if we let him.

 

[jarntt]

I think a lot of the D played lower than I expected. LVE and J. Smith are two of the bigger disappointments IMO.

Definitely. I am hoping LVE's issue was the neck and he will be back to who he was in 2018. I just have no idea with Jaylon, was 2018 a fluke for him?

 

[jarntt]

Cowboys need to get back to BPA in the early rounds lots of ways to go at 17. May have to make critical decision on Coop. Great receiver,but I did not like what I was seeing towards the end of the season. Ruggins, Ceedee or Jeudy could be in play at 17. Too me if we let byron go then we almost have to take a corner in 1st round. Me personally would still take delpit at 17 and then focus on corner round 2. I trust mcclay to draft well if we let him.

which is it? BPA or need?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

which is it? BPA or need?

both!

honestly if the bpa was a spot we dont need trade out.
but the only spots I can think of where that is a real thing would be QB & RB. So I dont see us trading out without a ransom.
We will take BPA. If grades are close we will lean towards need.

My Theory.

 

[jarntt]

both!

honestly if the bpa was a spot we dont need trade out.
but the only spots I can think of where that is a real thing would be QB & RB. So I dont see us trading out without a ransom.
We will take BPA. If grades are close we will lean towards need.

My Theory.

or safety, because the last 10 years of drafts and FA obviously tell us that this team thinks they are fantastic at safety

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

or safety, because the last 10 years of drafts and FA obviously tell us that this team thinks they are fantastic at safety

I think it was you that use to want Vacarro when he was just out there on the streets. Maybe it wasn’t , but watching him play the last few weeks - I just don’t understand how we just seem to forget this position.

 

[jarntt]

I think it was you that use to want Vacarro when he was just out there on the streets. Maybe it wasn’t , but watching him play the last few weeks - I just don’t understand how we just seem to forget this position.

Yes, him and many others. If I remember correctly he was available via trade at one point near the end of his rookie deal. Still don't know why we didn't sign the honey badger a couple years ago when he signed a one year prove it deal. Both of those guys had a period where they signed for less than value and we didn't even talk with either. There is a good safety available for a reasonable price every single year. The guy I really wanted this past year was Adrian Amos.

 

[Godstree]

I think our offense has talent and McCarthy probably believes he can get them over the hump
I think our defensive talent is completely overrated and with so many FA's, it's a great time for an overhaul. Our defensive line sucks. DT's are sub par across the board. DLaw did nothing the last couple of months of the season. Quinn had a great year but would cost a ton to bring back, and with so much committed to Lawrence, I doubt he is brought back. Lee is great but getting old, LVE and JSmith are talented but both would fit either scheme. We need a couple more corners and a safety no matter what the scheme.

I do not disagree with the statement at all but the dude is a beast, just a phenomenal athlete. I have a bit of an issue with laying all the blame just on him as far as his play. He had crap around him and a not much motivation. I think that his lack of play at the end will be an anomaly and not the norm. (very least I wish it to be so)

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

The only reason I will not only just disagree with you but disagree strongly that LVE missing is why we played pretty poorly, is because LVE was not good at all when he did play this year. Now if you want to attribute his poor play to the injury also (I'm hoping it was) then I agree with you

I am going to admit this neck issue is a serious concern. On a scale of 1-10 of being concerned i am at an 8. LVE did not look good when he was on the field. The tackles and other big plays were not there for him. Cowboys are thin on the defense across the board with all of the FA. Going to have to either spend more on defense or draft all defense.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

which is it? BPA or need?

Tough call. Delpit if there at 17 could be BPA at that point depending on how the draft shakes out . Safety is also a need IMO. Woods I do like,but I just think he has hit his ceiling as a player . I expected more from him heath should be a backup. I did not have Taco or Hill as BPA. I just think if a playmaker is available then you take that player over a guy like hill or taco. Maybe hill hits the weight room and is an animal? Personally I think Javon Kinlaw is going to be a problem for offensive lineman in the NFL.and if there at 17 he could be BPA at an area of need. Kinlaw is a good athlete,great first step,and fast for his size. Really has violent hands Watch his games and you will see he can occupy two or three blockers at times..

 

[handicappers]

sure hope we get this guy back now that NFL is ok with the doobies

 

[Schmoopy1000]

sure hope we get this guy back now that NFL is ok with the doobies

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I am actually more curious how smith will be if/when he is allowed back onto the field.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

The Defense could actually be better this season. Poe,McCoy and Gallimore are major upgrades at DT. Gregory and Smith could be knocking QBS around if they are allowed to return. Better coaching maybe helps with the defense forcing turnovers.

 

[scotsman1948]

Cowboys have waived Cooper Rush