Melvin Gordon on verge of signing with Denver

[Draft Crazy]

Fair enough. You think Gordon is a good back that's comparable to Lindsay. I just don't see it.

And for the record, I never blow up. Keeping an even keel is my hallmark.

Mega- I know ya didn't blow up. I just didn't want it to get to that level with a fellow Bronco fan...

We just disagree on this... We can move on from it. No big deal!

 

[miah]

Childish talk.

Nobody is begging. I don't have to beg. The knowledgeable people here already know.

Now you're swinging for the fence. Typical behind the internet behavior.

Go back to Mommy. Your lunchable is waiting on the table.

You start with childish talk, then follow it up with say something as dumb as "typical internet behavior" only to say go back to mommy? I think it's pretty clear you're a very immature child.

And, the knowledgeable people are trying to educate you, but your ego is in the way.

I'll leave you alone as you have taken this to a petty level. Lunchable?

Again, good luck.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Yeah- Go away! Not wasting my time on you.

 

[Draft Crazy]

The only question to me about Gordon is not his contract, not if he is good or not.

It would be do we need him? If that was someone's argument I could respect that to the fullest.

His injuries don't really bother me because they have been minor and we have 3 good RB's now so we aren't putting all of our eggs in one basket.

My concerns would be A. Do we need him B. He did fumble the ball away a bit more then you want to see last year.

He had some fumbling issues his rookie year, then really worked through that his next 4, and then next year he had some issues hanging onto the ball. Can't stand a RB who fumbles so if anything drives me nuts about Gordon it will be if he doesn't get better at that this year... Hasn't been a career long thing, but he has had two years were it was a problem.

Don't get my Point "A" confused with the fact that he does make us a better team by having him.

 

[Orange Crush77]

The only question to me about Gordon is not his contract, not if he is good or not.

It would be do we need him? If that was someone's argument I could respect that to the fullest.

His injuries don't really bother me because they have been minor and we have 3 good RB's now so we aren't putting all of our eggs in one basket.

My concerns would be A. Do we need him B. He did fumble the ball away a bit more then you want to see last year.

He had some fumbling issues his rookie year, then really worked through that his next 4, and then next year he had some issues hanging onto the ball. Can't stand a RB who fumbles so if anything drives me nuts about Gordon it will be if he doesn't get better at that this year... Hasn't been a career long thing, but he has had two years were it was a problem.

Don't get my Point "A" confused with the fact that he does make us a better team by having him.

That really is somewhat my point. However, unless the guy is a generational player, ie Zeke, Barkley etc. I don’t think rb is a wise place to invest a lot of money into. There are players all throughout the middle rounds that will give you comparable value. Plus, other than Gore, rbs fade fast. Two years is not long, I get it, but that 8 mil could’ve upgraded a more essential position imo. We probably could’ve re-signed McGovern and solidified our C position before draft day. Breeland is still out there I believe. He would’ve been a way more valuable addition. Like I said I will definitely root for Gordon, I hope he scores 20 tds

 

[Draft Crazy]

That really is somewhat my point. However, unless the guy is a generational player, ie Zeke, Barkley etc. I don’t think rb is a wise place to invest a lot of money into. There are players all throughout the middle rounds that will give you comparable value. Plus, other than Gore, rbs fade fast. Two years is not long, I get it, but that 8 mil could’ve upgraded a more essential position imo. We probably could’ve re-signed McGovern and solidified our C position before draft day. Breeland is still out there I believe. He would’ve been a way more valuable addition. Like I said I will definitely root for Gordon, I hope he scores 20 tds

Exactly why the contract is good. 2 years 8 mil a year. Not bad.

You're getting Gordon in year 6 and 7. Still in his prime. After that he can walk or sign for a lot less.

I get the "Good RB's in the middle rounds" but you don't get a Melvin Gordon in the middle rounds... Sure. There are some RB's who may turn into REALLY good RB's in this years draft class, but good luck hitting on that guy who is better than Melvin Gordon in the middle rounds. It is probably there, but you are pretty well throwing a dart at it. Nobody really knows. Gordon you know what you're getting.

He is gonna help this team. That's the bottom line... Sure. I get some of the points... But to act like he isn't going to help this team or we signed him to a bad contract ? Not gonna agree with that. Sorry!

I like our offseason quite a bit right now.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I wanna see Chris Harris and Melvin Gordon do a jersey swap after the Broncos/Chargers game.

 

[fightinredantz]

To me Gordon has underachieved up to this point in his career. He does bring something that we didn't have up to this point, but RBs are not hard to find in the draft, and I sure don't want to pay one to the 4th highest in the NFL.

Lindsay's going into the final year of his current contract. Let's compare the production between Gordon and Lindsay:
Melvin Gordon:
2018:
Games: 12
Rushing Yards: 885
Carries: 175
Average: 5.1
TDs: 10
Receptions: 50
Receiving Yards: 490
Average: 9.8
TDs: 4
Fumbles: 1

2019:
Games: 12
Carries: 162
Rushing Yards: 612
Average: 3.8
TDs: 8
Receptions: 42
Receiving Yards: 296
Average: 7.0
TDs: 1
Fumbles: 4

Career Averages per Year:
Games: 13.25
Carries: 211.8
Rushing Yards: 848
Average: 4.04
TDs: 7.2
Receptions: 44.8
Receiving Yards: 374.6
Average: 8.2
TDs: 2.2
Fumbles: 2.8

Philip Lindsay:
2018:
Games: 15
Carries: 192
Rushing Yards: 1,037
Average: 5.4
TDs: 9
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 241
Average: 6.9
TDs: 1
Total Fumbles: 0

2019:
Games: 16
Carries: 224
Rushing Yards: 1,011
Average: 4.5
TDs: 7
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 196
Average: 5.6
TDs: 0
Total Fumbles: 0

Career Averages:
Games: 15.5
Carries: 208
Rushing Yards: 1024
Average: 4.95
TDs: 8
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 218.5
Average: 6.25
TDs: 0.5
Average Fumbles: 0

I will give Gordon the edge in receiving, but Lindsay has not had the same opportunities. Gordon also had an advantage with playing with Philip Rivers compared to Lindsay playing with Case Keenum, Joe Flacco, Brandon Allen, and Drew Lock. Which played with the the better QB? Based on the stats Lindsay should be inline for a similar contract to what Gordon just signed. I think the 8 million per year could have been used in other areas to improve the team and add depth to the RB position through the draft.

My impression of Gordon is that he is a very talented RB, but he underachieves to his talent level.

Since Denver made the investment in Gordon I hope he is has his best 2 years of his career, but this seems like a luxury signing of a team pushing for the Super Bowl. I would have rather addressed other positions with the that money.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Again- I will agree to disagree. I don't feel he has underachieved...
but I appreciate your explanation. I respect the effort you put into that that explain your answer. Good job.

 

[fightinredantz]

Again- I will agree to disagree, but I appreciate your explanation. I respect that. Good job.

I didn't expect you to change your mind and see it my way.

 

[listopencil]

The only question to me about Gordon is not his contract, not if he is good or not.

It would be do we need him? If that was someone's argument I could respect that to the fullest.

His injuries don't really bother me because they have been minor and we have 3 good RB's now so we aren't putting all of our eggs in one basket.

My concerns would be A. Do we need him B. He did fumble the ball away a bit more then you want to see last year.

He had some fumbling issues his rookie year, then really worked through that his next 4, and then next year he had some issues hanging onto the ball. Can't stand a RB who fumbles so if anything drives me nuts about Gordon it will be if he doesn't get better at that this year... Hasn't been a career long thing, but he has had two years were it was a problem.

Don't get my Point "A" confused with the fact that he does make us a better team by having him.

We did need something at the RB position. Freeman isn't cutting it. He's Just A Guy. I thought he looked like a younger version of CJ but he hasn't been that. The Offense shutters down with him in there and Lock has to overcome that. So, that's not the way the FO wants to go. We have to have an effective reliever for Lindsey and Freeman, as it looks, ain't it. Gordon looks to be that guy though and Freeman gets pushed to #3, probably facing competition from a day three draft pick. Which is what he has earned.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I didn't expect you to change your mind and see it my way.

It's good to disagree on things anyway.. What fun would it be to agree all the time?

 

[Draft Crazy]

We did need something at the RB position. Freeman isn't cutting it. He's Just A Guy. I thought he looked like a younger version of CJ but he hasn't been that. The Offense shutters down with him in there and Lock has to overcome that. So, that's not the way the FO wants to go. We have to have an effective reliever for Lindsey and Freeman, as it looks, ain't it. Gordon looks to be that guy though and Freeman gets pushed to #3, probably facing competition from a day three draft pick. Which is what he has earned.

Good take- I am still on the fence on Freeman. He shows me something and then he sorta does nothing for me for awhile. Opportunity hasn't exactly been there, but he just hasn't show anything special to get me excited. He was a pretty good college RB, but far from fancy. He may last for two more years then like Booker sign elsewhere when his contract expires. I had visions of Travis Etienne dancing in my head this year then he shocked me and didn't declare.

I also have a hard time deciding if needing a RB in the draft is a good or bad thing!? Seems fun because the value is usually always there when your pick is on the clock, but also feels nice not to feel obligated to draft a RB.

 

[fightinredantz]

It's good to disagree on things anyway.. What fun would it be to agree all the time?

 

[listopencil]

Good take- I am still on the fence on Freeman. He shows me something and then he sorta does nothing for me for awhile. Opportunity hasn't exactly been there, but he just hasn't show anything special to get me excited. He was a pretty good college RB, but far from fancy. He may last for two more years then like Booker sign elsewhere when his contract expires. I had visions of Travis Etienne dancing in my head this year then he shocked me and didn't declare.

I also have a hard time deciding if needing a RB in the draft is a good or bad thing!? Seems fun because the value is usually always there when your pick is on the clock, but also feels nice not to feel obligated to draft a RB.

I thought he had potential as well. But you can't wait years on a RB. It probably has the best positional transition from college to pro that there is. For me he's got until the end of his rookie deal and he's behind the curve. Right now he's Booker 2.0. and he's on his way out the door. I'd say taking a RB in the draft is a no brainer. Roll the dice on a later pick this year and see what happens. Do it again next year too, because Gordon signed a two year deal and there is no guarantee he works out either.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I thought he had potential as well. But you can't wait years on a RB. It probably has the best positional transition from college to pro that there is. For me he's got until the end of his rookie deal and he's behind the curve. Right now he's Booker 2.0. and he's on his way out the door. I'd say taking a RB in the draft is a no brainer. Roll the dice on a later pick this year and see what happens. Do it again next year too, because Gordon signed a two year deal and there is no guarantee he works out either.

Not sure I see us going RB this year... I am pretty comfortable at this point with our top 3. We do have a lot of picks, but you know Elway will trade half those day 3 picks away. (Seems he no longer values late round picks)

I guess my thought on drafting a RB or not was more of a "Don't bother with a RB in FA and address it in the draft, or address it in FA", lots of good RB's in the draft every year, but you can also be sure you know what you're getting when you sign a free agent like Melvin Gordon. I don't know if I like needing a RB in the rd 2-4 range or not. Later on in the draft it is an anything goes. BPA... Really the entire draft is BPA but you're still trying to fill spots of need with BPA and equal the two out. Just not sure if needing a RB is a good or bad thing early in the draft. It's fun, but at the same time having proven quality RB's on your roster where you don't have to take a RB early is a nice feeling too. I'd rather be in that boat of a RB as a bonus in the draft moreso then a big need.

 

[Duffman]

To me Gordon has underachieved up to this point in his career. He does bring something that we didn't have up to this point, but RBs are not hard to find in the draft, and I sure don't want to pay one to the 4th highest in the NFL.

Lindsay's going into the final year of his current contract. Let's compare the production between Gordon and Lindsay:
Melvin Gordon:
2018:
Games: 12
Rushing Yards: 885
Carries: 175
Average: 5.1
TDs: 10
Receptions: 50
Receiving Yards: 490
Average: 9.8
TDs: 4
Fumbles: 1

2019:
Games: 12
Carries: 162
Rushing Yards: 612
Average: 3.8
TDs: 8
Receptions: 42
Receiving Yards: 296
Average: 7.0
TDs: 1
Fumbles: 4

Career Averages per Year:
Games: 13.25
Carries: 211.8
Rushing Yards: 848
Average: 4.04
TDs: 7.2
Receptions: 44.8
Receiving Yards: 374.6
Average: 8.2
TDs: 2.2
Fumbles: 2.8

Philip Lindsay:
2018:
Games: 15
Carries: 192
Rushing Yards: 1,037
Average: 5.4
TDs: 9
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 241
Average: 6.9
TDs: 1
Total Fumbles: 0

2019:
Games: 16
Carries: 224
Rushing Yards: 1,011
Average: 4.5
TDs: 7
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 196
Average: 5.6
TDs: 0
Total Fumbles: 0

Career Averages:
Games: 15.5
Carries: 208
Rushing Yards: 1024
Average: 4.95
TDs: 8
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 218.5
Average: 6.25
TDs: 0.5
Average Fumbles: 0

I will give Gordon the edge in receiving, but Lindsay has not had the same opportunities. Gordon also had an advantage with playing with Philip Rivers compared to Lindsay playing with Case Keenum, Joe Flacco, Brandon Allen, and Drew Lock. Which played with the the better QB? Based on the stats Lindsay should be inline for a similar contract to what Gordon just signed. I think the 8 million per year could have been used in other areas to improve the team and add depth to the RB position through the draft.

According to ProFootball Focus, the Broncos had the 24th ranked O-Line in 2018 and the 12th ranked O-Line in 2019.

Now let’s look at the Chargers O-Line. In 2018 they were ranked 30th, and in 2019 they were ranked 29th.

So even with Gordon’s holdout for 4 games last year, to put up the numbers he did the past two years with a bottom tier O-Line speaks to his talent level.

Lindsay almost had a top 10 O-Line last year, you give Gordon a top 10 O-Line and who knows what his numbers would’ve been.

 

[Duffman]

I thought he had potential as well. But you can't wait years on a RB. It probably has the best positional transition from college to pro that there is. For me he's got until the end of his rookie deal and he's behind the curve. Right now he's Booker 2.0. and he's on his way out the door. I'd say taking a RB in the draft is a no brainer. Roll the dice on a later pick this year and see what happens. Do it again next year too, because Gordon signed a two year deal and there is no guarantee he works out either.

Not sure I see us going RB this year... I am pretty comfortable at this point with our top 3. We do have a lot of picks, but you know Elway will trade half those day 3 picks away. (Seems he no longer values late round picks)

I guess my thought on drafting a RB or not was more of a "Don't bother with a RB in FA and address it in the draft, or address it in FA", lots of good RB's in the draft every year, but you can also be sure you know what you're getting when you sign a free agent like Melvin Gordon. I don't know if I like needing a RB in the rd 2-4 range or not. Later on in the draft it is an anything goes. BPA... Really the entire draft is BPA but you're still trying to fill spots of need with BPA and equal the two out. Just not sure if needing a RB is a good or bad thing early in the draft. It's fun, but at the same time having proven quality RB's on your roster where you don't have to take a RB early is a nice feeling too. I'd rather be in that boat of a RB as a bonus in the draft moreso then a big need.

The argument of “don’t pay for a RB when you can draft one“ works great if you could actually draft a RB, which to be honest the Broncos haven’t really shown that they can. I mean who was the last drafted runningback by the Broncos that people would consider a good selection that worked out?

Apparently not Royce Freeman, not Devontae Booker, not Monte Ball. Maybe you can go back and say Knowshon Moreno because had a good Rookie year but was he really that good or was it because of Peyton Manning that he looked better?

Denver really doesn’t have a history of drafting running backs that really work out so at least we know how good Gordon is, or was two years ago, which is more than we could say for a running back that we take another gamble on but is unknown.

 

[WalkerBoh]

To me Gordon has underachieved up to this point in his career. He does bring something that we didn't have up to this point, but RBs are not hard to find in the draft, and I sure don't want to pay one to the 4th highest in the NFL.

Lindsay's going into the final year of his current contract. Let's compare the production between Gordon and Lindsay:
Melvin Gordon:
2018:
Games: 12
Rushing Yards: 885
Carries: 175
Average: 5.1
TDs: 10
Receptions: 50
Receiving Yards: 490
Average: 9.8
TDs: 4
Fumbles: 1

2019:
Games: 12
Carries: 162
Rushing Yards: 612
Average: 3.8
TDs: 8
Receptions: 42
Receiving Yards: 296
Average: 7.0
TDs: 1
Fumbles: 4

Career Averages per Year:
Games: 13.25
Carries: 211.8
Rushing Yards: 848
Average: 4.04
TDs: 7.2
Receptions: 44.8
Receiving Yards: 374.6
Average: 8.2
TDs: 2.2
Fumbles: 2.8

Philip Lindsay:
2018:
Games: 15
Carries: 192
Rushing Yards: 1,037
Average: 5.4
TDs: 9
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 241
Average: 6.9
TDs: 1
Total Fumbles: 0

2019:
Games: 16
Carries: 224
Rushing Yards: 1,011
Average: 4.5
TDs: 7
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 196
Average: 5.6
TDs: 0
Total Fumbles: 0

Career Averages:
Games: 15.5
Carries: 208
Rushing Yards: 1024
Average: 4.95
TDs: 8
Receptions: 35
Receiving Yards: 218.5
Average: 6.25
TDs: 0.5
Average Fumbles: 0

I will give Gordon the edge in receiving, but Lindsay has not had the same opportunities. Gordon also had an advantage with playing with Philip Rivers compared to Lindsay playing with Case Keenum, Joe Flacco, Brandon Allen, and Drew Lock. Which played with the the better QB? Based on the stats Lindsay should be inline for a similar contract to what Gordon just signed. I think the 8 million per year could have been used in other areas to improve the team and add depth to the RB position through the draft.

My impression of Gordon is that he is a very talented RB, but he underachieves to his talent level.

Since Denver made the investment in Gordon I hope he is has his best 2 years of his career, but this seems like a luxury signing of a team pushing for the Super Bowl. I would have rather addressed other positions with the that money.

So, a few questions to consider:
How do you view these numbers taking into consideration the O-line rankings both RB’s had to deal with? (Posted above by Duffman) Can you honestly say Lindsey has the same numbers behind the Chargers’ line? What happens to Gordon behind Denver’s line?

 

[fightinredantz]

Gordon also had the benefit of a top 10 QB. Lindsay only saw one of those play for the Broncos on TV.

Lock could be that type of guy but it will take time.

We will have a good idea after this year unless one of the gets hurt.