Trade Deadline 2020

[Across The Field]

giving up a 2nd for bird rights is fine.

this is a terrible draft anyway.

but it is kinda weird. Maybe you play him tt and love together to preserve the tank....

My guess is they go with Drummond and Love down low with TT coming off the bench. And you're right, this is shaping up to be an absolutely horrible draft. I think Wiseman could be good, but he's far from a sure thing.

 

[Shanemansj13]

They're 9 games out of the 8 spot with 30 games left, so making the playoffs is highly unlikely, but not impossible. My guess is they are thinking with Tristan Thompson's contract up at the end of the year freeing up a ton of space, and with the power to offer Drummond more than anyone else, they can get him to sign with them. They gave up nothing to get him, so it was well worth it for them I think.

Pretty difficult to get FA's to come to CLE so I can see why this move makes sense. Only way to acquire AS caliber players is through a trade or the draft. Who knows how Garland or Porter will turn out and their 2020 draft pick but it kinda depends on them if this goes anywhere. Even though early in the year I thought Sexton would stay, I think he is the guy that doesn't fit. If Garland doesn't workout they are screwed anyway. They need to hit on their 2020 1st round pick to make this work as well. Considering they got Drummond for a bag of drum sticks this is a great move bc it can't hurt them. Also, if Love were to still want out that would clear up some cap space even if Drummond signs long-term.

A. If the Cavs rebuild progresses and he opts-in then he could sign long-term.
B. If he doesn't opt-in they gave up nothing to give him.
C. If he opts-in then decides he doesn't want to stay long-term, they can trade him...if he plays well, you think they can get more for him than the Pistons did at least.

 

[Shanemansj13]

My guess is they go with Drummond and Love down low with TT coming off the bench. And you're right, this is shaping up to be an absolutely horrible draft. I think Wiseman could be good, but he's far from a sure thing.

Overall a pretty bad class but there gems in every draft. Even the best guys seem like they need to work on their game a lot. I still like Edwards and this Obi Toppin guy is interesting.

 

[Across The Field]

Pretty difficult to get FA's to come to CLE so I can see why this move makes sense. Only way to acquire AS caliber players is through a trade or the draft. Who knows how Garland or Porter will turn out and their 2020 draft pick but it kinda depends on them if this goes anywhere. Even though early in the year I thought Sexton would stay, I think he is the guy that doesn't fit. If Garland doesn't workout they are screwed anyway. They need to hit on their 2020 1st round pick to make this work as well. Considering they got Drummond for a bag of drum sticks this is a great move bc it can't hurt them. Also, if Love were to still want out that would clear up some cap space even if Drummond signs long-term.

A. If the Cavs rebuild progresses and he opts-in then he could sign long-term.
B. If he doesn't opt-in they gave up nothing to give him.
C. If he opts-in then decides he doesn't want to stay long-term, they can trade him...if he plays well, you think they can get more for him than the Pistons did at least.

Nailed it right on the head. I'm not thrilled with Garland, but obviously he's very young. Sexton has flashes but we'll see how realistic he is as a long-term fixture at the position. I think the hope is Love will want to stay if we pair him with Drummond. I'm sure he'd love to be able to play with an actual enforcer down low like that.

As far as the draft goes, I have no idea what to go for. I'd love to get Anthony Edwards to play the 2, I think his upside is as high as anyone in the draft. We don't have a fit for Wiseman, even with TT leaving. It wouldn't shock me to see them go the international route.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Nailed it right on the head. I'm not thrilled with Garland, but obviously he's very young. Sexton has flashes but we'll see how realistic he is as a long-term fixture at the position. I think the hope is Love will want to stay if we pair him with Drummond. I'm sure he'd love to be able to play with an actual enforcer down low like that.

As far as the draft goes, I have no idea what to go for. I'd love to get Anthony Edwards to play the 2, I think his upside is as high as anyone in the draft. We don't have a fit for Wiseman, even with TT leaving. It wouldn't shock me to see them go the international route.

Yeah for sure. Love and Drummond can be a very effective combo but the young guys just need to improve. They need more wings. Windler who I was most excited about hasn't played all season, Porter for the most part looks pretty good. Sexton and Garland are the two biggest question marks bc they are both small guys, especially Sexton at the 2. Only way to win is surround these two big men with a plethora of wings and shooters.

Yeah the guy I want most is Edwards bc they need a SG with more size. If they were to draft him I think they put Sexton on the block...my guess. Then you have Garland, Porter, Edwards, Windler, Osman...just have to see if they progress.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

My guess is they go with Drummond and Love down low with TT coming off the bench. And you're right, this is shaping up to be an absolutely horrible draft. I think Wiseman could be good, but he's far from a sure thing.

I guess, if thats who you want to build around, but just seems like not the way to go in todays NBA.
You think teams offer him a max this summer? ( assuming he’s a FA).

 

[dtgold88]

So the Cavs goal for the rest of the season is to lessen their odds in the lotto ?

how many wins are you thinking Drummond gives them?

 

[dtgold88]

They're 9 games out of the 8 spot with 30 games left, so making the playoffs is highly unlikely, but not impossible. My guess is they are thinking with Tristan Thompson's contract up at the end of the year freeing up a ton of space, and with the power to offer Drummond more than anyone else, they can get him to sign with them. They gave up nothing to get him, so it was well worth it for them I think.

agree well worth the risk, but pretty sure they expect Drummond to opt IN after the season. They'll see how he fits and either do as you mentioned (try to extend) or maybe try to move him as an expiring deal at next year's deadline.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

how many wins are you thinking Drummond gives them?

Honestly have put no thought into it, but if he’s not making them better, why would you want to pay him giant money moving forward?
You guys ripped the Heat for maxing Whiteside.
Drummond might be a bit better, but not enough to excite me as my long term max.

 

[dtgold88]

I guess, if thats who you want to build around, but just seems like not the way to go in todays NBA.
You think teams offer him a max this summer? ( assuming he’s a FA).

Almost zero chance with the top teams saving for summer of 2021. I'd be shocked if Drummond opts out.

 

[dtgold88]

Honestly have put no thought into it, but if he’s not making them better, why would you want to pay him giant money moving forward?
You guys ripped the Heat for maxing Whiteside.
Drummond might be a bit better, but not enough to excite me as my long term max.

I don't think they do want to pay him giant money other than maybe next year as a replacement for TT. I'd be shocked if anyone gave him anything close to a max.

 

[dtgold88]

Pretty difficult to get FA's to come to CLE so I can see why this move makes sense. Only way to acquire AS caliber players is through a trade or the draft. Who knows how Garland or Porter will turn out and their 2020 draft pick but it kinda depends on them if this goes anywhere. Even though early in the year I thought Sexton would stay, I think he is the guy that doesn't fit. If Garland doesn't workout they are screwed anyway. They need to hit on their 2020 1st round pick to make this work as well. Considering they got Drummond for a bag of drum sticks this is a great move bc it can't hurt them. Also, if Love were to still want out that would clear up some cap space even if Drummond signs long-term.

A. If the Cavs rebuild progresses and he opts-in then he could sign long-term.
B. If he doesn't opt-in they gave up nothing to give him.
C. If he opts-in then decides he doesn't want to stay long-term, they can trade him...if he plays well, you think they can get more for him than the Pistons did at least.

In answer to C I'd say yes as he'd be an expiring deal if we deal him at next year's deadline.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Honestly have put no thought into it, but if he’s not making them better, why would you want to pay him giant money moving forward?
You guys ripped the Heat for maxing Whiteside.
Drummond might be a bit better, but not enough to excite me as my long term max.

Yeah that's the point...see how he does and fits in the Cavs system. If he doesn't or not worth the money...he walks. If they want to test out for one more year tell him to opt-in...then you have two options: trade him or sign him long-term.
It was just an unexpected move and for the price, it's a "why not move". The future depends on the youngsters and draft picks, not Drummond but he is only 26.

 

[dtgold88]

Nailed it right on the head. I'm not thrilled with Garland, but obviously he's very young. Sexton has flashes but we'll see how realistic he is as a long-term fixture at the position. I think the hope is Love will want to stay if we pair him with Drummond. I'm sure he'd love to be able to play with an actual enforcer down low like that.

As far as the draft goes, I have no idea what to go for. I'd love to get Anthony Edwards to play the 2, I think his upside is as high as anyone in the draft. We don't have a fit for Wiseman, even with TT leaving. It wouldn't shock me to see them go the international route.

Just too early to know what they have with Garland and Porter (and even sexton). I don't think any will be stars, but there have been many such players that did not look like they would be stars in years 1 and/or 2.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Almost zero chance with the top teams saving for summer of 2021. I'd be shocked if Drummond opts out.

Agree.
Like I said, I didn’t know what his contract status is.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I don't think they do want to pay him giant money other than maybe next year as a replacement for TT. I'd be shocked if anyone gave him anything close to a max.

I agree.
Really no long term risk for Cavs.

 

[buckalis]

Kind of shocking that the Warriors acquired 4 second round draft picks for WCS, Burks and Glenn Robinson III and yet the Bucks couldn't get anything for their guys.

Also no D-Rose trade for the Bucks or anyone even remotely close to that.

The Bucks had a clear decision to stay put in order to be able and improve the team further for the next season, when financials become really good during the summer. They clearly see not of enough threat present to stop them winning it all this season.

Very wise to keep the picks and "lock" Bender too. It secures contending for the title for each and every season all over the next decade and as long as Giannis career lasts.

I guess me telling you (and then exactly) what GSW gets back and what their policy with respect to the cap space would be should have caused for you to shut the fuck up, listen a bit more and learn a bit more...

 

[Shanemansj13]

The Bucks had a clear decision to stay put in order to be able and improve the team further for the next season, when financials become really good during the summer. They clearly see not of enough threat present to stop them winning it all this season.

Very wise to keep the picks and "lock" Bender too. It secures contending for the title for each and every season all over the next decade and as long as Giannis career lasts.

I guess me telling you (and then exactly) what GSW gets back and what their policy with respect to the cap space would be should have caused for you to shut the fuck up, listen a bit more and learn a bit more...

It's just too bad they couldn't sign Middleton to the $14M/year long-term contract like you expected them to do...they would definitely be set then

 

[buckalis]

e and as long as Giannis career lasts.[/QUOTE]

They're 9 games out of the 8 spot with 30 games left, so making the playoffs is highly unlikely, but not impossible. My guess is they are thinking with Tristan Thompson's contract up at the end of the year freeing up a ton of space, and with the power to offer Drummond more than anyone else, they can get him to sign with them. They gave up nothing to get him, so it was well worth it for them I think.

Drummond is there only for a month or two until the season ends. What the Cavs hope upon and payed that 2nd they risked upon him, is if they can achieve a "sign and trade" during the summer... Small chances, but one never knows.

 

[CitySushi]

The Bucks had a clear decision to stay put in order to be able and improve the team further for the next season, when financials become really good during the summer. They clearly see not of enough threat present to stop them winning it all this season.

Very wise to keep the picks and "lock" Bender too. It secures contending for the title for each and every season all over the next decade and as long as Giannis career lasts.

I guess me telling you (and then exactly) what GSW gets back and what their policy with respect to the cap space would be should have caused for you to shut the fuck up, listen a bit more and learn a bit more...

LMAO....so hostile. Can't take the heat from someone just pointing out how ridiculously absurd you are with your valuations and you being wrong is hilarious.

Sterling Brown...no thanks.
Dragan Bender...pass.
Pat Connaughton...LMAO WHAT?
DJ Wilson...BAHAHAHAH

The Bucks didn't trade those guys because NO ONE WANTED THEM. Seriously. No one. It's absolutely proof because you've been saying for so long how the Bucks were looking to upgrade, but couldn't. If they had so many assets at their disposal, surely they could have been flipped.

Yet guys you said had no value on expiring contracts (meaning no long term value to the teams they're being traded to) returned 4 second round picks for 3 players.

LMAO, the butt hurt is so strong with you.