Team Future Rankings

[msgkings322]

Is English your first language or are you 10 years old? Asking for friend.

Why are you asking at all? He's not hiding the fact that he's Greek and doesn't speak English well. And it's glorious.

 

[Wamu]

how's the Eastern Conference "dominance" looking these days...?

It's looking fucking excellent! Let me break it down for you. Right now the WC has 7 teams above .500. The EC has 6.

Both conferences have one team playing .800 ball, your Lakers (just disgusting) & the Bucks.

But, but, but here's where things shift in the EC's favor, as long as you ignore the #'s. They have 2 teams playing .700 ball (Heat & Celtics). The WC has one, the Nuggets. And while the WC has 4 teams playing .600 ball & the EC only has 3 that really doesn't matter.

Oh yeah & it doesn't matter that as of right now the EC has three teams playing .200 ball (and the overall worst team in the league the Hawks) & the WC only has one, the Warriors.

Add it all up & I don't know what the hell it means other than WC > EC.

 

[flyerhawk]

I'm only saying that the criteria you use equal to fake-magician using a damaged crystal ball...

When you judge the future of a team, you have to take into account the following (in that order):

1. The current useful roster, the age of the players and their future development potential (for example arrow shows down, Bucks arrow shows up, Grizzlies arrow shows over the heavens).

2. The financials, the size of the contracts and the ability or not of the team to retain the roster... (for example, the Nets who have the worst financials in the league, will have to dump the salaries and lose the players of two out of Dinwiddie, Harris, LeVert or Prince!)

3. The picks and the assets they have in stock who can be used on impactful trades.

You don't say bold nonsense like:

"Charlotte Hornets(Near Term 4, Long Term 2) - Playing better than I expected but this team has no future."

this is exactly what a bullshitter that has no idea what he is talking about would say... Ask a student that has taken logic science lessons in college if you want a confirmation of the above...

It's like a fake magician using a damaged crystal ball bought out of a "damaged goods" basket in the local store!

Pure garbage...

Do tell me what the contract situations for every team will be in 4 years. I'm all ears Mr. Genius.

You seem incapable of understanding the difference between short term and long term outlook.

 

[buckalis]

Do tell me what the contract situations for every team will be in 4 years. I'm all ears Mr. Genius.

You seem incapable of understanding the difference between short term and long term outlook.

One doesn't have to be an Einstein level genius to to figure out what happens with clutch and potential Star players that are on rookie contracts or will be restricted free agents... They will resign with the teams they are!

One doesn't either have to be a genius to figure out what happens with the unrestricted contracts of clutch players, where the current teams that own them have the right to match any counter offer (especially after the NBA took action this summer to forbid forced trades and blackmailing happening again after what happened this summer).

It takes a dump one out not to figure what will happen...

Therefore before you make those bold predictions using your "broken crystal ball" again, I suggest the following:

Take a calculator, read and learn the CBA, look up what the future lux tax threshold and apron are projected to be for the teams you "predict" upon, check the team financials for the next five seasons before you post nonsense, check the assets and picks they have in stock and if your calculator hasn't been bought from the same "damaged goods basket" as your crystal ball was... You maybe, just maybe, be able to leave the impossible to predict (like AD or Giannis breaking a leg, or Hutchinson (of the Bulls) winning MVP next season) out and end up with posting less bullshit...

Hear, hear... "Hornets are playing better than I expected (playing rookies and sophomore) but their future is worst" (obviously because the young ones will be on decent by their 2nd and 3rd season and even more later...)

Good one, good one, the rest too... keep up the good work! Posting nonsense helps you shine out of the rest of the idiots in here!

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

One doesn't have to be an Einstein level genius to to figure out what happens with clutch and potential Star players that are on rookie contracts or will be restricted free agents... They will resign with the teams they are!

One doesn't either have to be a genius to figure out what happens with the unrestricted contracts of clutch players, where the current teams that own them have the right to match any counter offer (especially after the NBA took action this summer to forbid forced trades and blackmailing happening again after what happened this summer).

It takes a dump one out not to figure what will happen...

Therefore before you make those bold predictions using your "broken crystal ball" again, I suggest the following:

Take a calculator, read and learn the CBA, look up what the future lux tax threshold and apron are projected to be for the teams you "predict" upon, check the team financials for the next five seasons before you post nonsense, check the assets and picks they have in stock and if your calculator hasn't been bought from the same "damaged goods basket" as your crystal ball was... You maybe, just maybe, be able to leave the impossible to predict (like AD or Giannis breaking a leg, or Hutchinson (of the Bulls) winning MVP next season) out and end up with posting less bullshit...

Hear, hear... "Hornets are playing better than I expected (playing rookies and sophomore) but their future is worst" (obviously because the young ones will be on decent by their 2nd and 3rd season and even more later...)

Good one, good one, the rest too... keep up the good work! Posting nonsense helps you shine out of the rest of the idiots in here!

These ridiculously long Wiggy-esque bullshit rants look awfully familiar

 

[flyerhawk]

These ridiculously long Wiggy-esque bullshit rants look awfully familiar

Wiggy at least wrote coherent sentences.

 

[flyerhawk]

One doesn't have to be an Einstein level genius to to figure out what happens with clutch and potential Star players that are on rookie contracts or will be restricted free agents... They will resign with the teams they are!

One doesn't either have to be a genius to figure out what happens with the unrestricted contracts of clutch players, where the current teams that own them have the right to match any counter offer (especially after the NBA took action this summer to forbid forced trades and blackmailing happening again after what happened this summer).

It takes a dump one out not to figure what will happen...

Therefore before you make those bold predictions using your "broken crystal ball" again, I suggest the following:

What is the Nets cap hit in 4 years?

Take a calculator, read and learn the CBA, look up what the future lux tax threshold and apron are projected to be for the teams you "predict" upon, check the team financials for the next five seasons before you post nonsense, check the assets and picks they have in stock and if your calculator hasn't been bought from the same "damaged goods basket" as your crystal ball was... You maybe, just maybe, be able to leave the impossible to predict (like AD or Giannis breaking a leg, or Hutchinson (of the Bulls) winning MVP next season) out and end up with posting less bullshit...

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Lots of words saying nothing. Are you actually giving me shit for posting my projections for teams? You are seriously that fucked in the head?

Hear, hear... "Hornets are playing better than I expected (playing rookies and sophomore) but their future is worst" (obviously because the young ones will be on decent by their 2nd and 3rd season and even more later...)

It's almost as if you don't have any clue about the game of basketball. Who are the young rising stars on the Hornets?

Good one, good one, the rest too... keep up the good work! Posting nonsense helps you shine out of the rest of the idiots in here!

Seems like the only thing you are capable of doing is hurling insults at others while pretending that you are saying something truly insightful. Weird how NO ONE takes you seriously.

 

[buckalis]

What is the Nets cap hit in 4 years?

I have answered this in detail before.

Here is another excellent of yours that made me laugh a lot though...

"Philly Sixers(Near Term - 7, Long Term - 7) - They have arguably the most talented starting 5 in basketball but they continue to struggle to make it work. OTOH, the team was built for the playoffs so they may never look super smooth in the regular season. They are likely to make some small changes near term. Long term they have 2 elite level talents in Ben and Embiid that they may need to break up to reach their fullest potential. Remains to be seen on that."

OK... You have goofed beyond anything here... Other than these bold phrases...:

"They are likely to make some small changes near term." They can't!

"Long term they have 2 elite level talents in Ben and Embiid that they may need to break up to reach their fullest potential. Remains to be seen on that." What you see now, is their full potential!

....please explain these:

1. The Sixers are 99% chance to play against the Raptors in the 1st round of the playoffs, what happens next if the Raptors take them out?

2. the Sixers have 149M on guaranteed salaries for next season (151M lux tax threshold) and three empty spots to fill... They'll surely have to go into the lux tax if they are to retain the roster core... What they do if they don't make the finals this season? Do they stay into the lux tax unable to upgrade the roster, while the competition will upgrade further?

3. The Sixers have 150M on the books for the 21-22 season (164M lux tax threshold) with six empty roster spots to fill and with Richardson having a P.O. (which he will surely reject at 11M)... What they do, do they go deeeeeeeep into the lux tax only to retain what they have with the competition taking a 2nd step further?

4. The Sixers have 139M already on the books for the 22-23 season (177M lux tax threshold) but with only 4 contracts in the books (the starting roster but Richardson) and with Embiid and Horford expiring...

What the team that has the worst financials in the league after the Nets (and then 2nd by a small margin) does goofy?

They are unable to upgrade, if they also are unable to contend for the title against a continuously stepping up competition, what do you expect them to do goofy?

Do you expect them to pay some 150M in taxes (lux tax + severe repeaters tax) and continue?

I tell you what happens... just copy the book titled "OKC"... that's what they will do! As anybody else does in business!

 

[trojanfan12]

lol

buck-Alice is triggered and butthurt because folks think @flyerhawk has a better list.

 

[Black Adam]

lol

buck-Alice is triggered and butthurt because folks think @flyerhawk has a better list.

well, small clue...

it is...

but hey, if you love bias-laden nonsense folks can always go back to Butt Phallus' thread...

 

[flyerhawk]

I have answered this in detail before.

Well you said words.

Here is another excellent of yours that made me laugh a lot though...

OK... You have goofed beyond anything here... Other than these bold phrases...:

"They are likely to make some small changes near term." They can't!

Of course they can. This is just an idiotic thing to say.

"Long term they have 2 elite level talents in Ben and Embiid that they may need to break up to reach their fullest potential. Remains to be seen on that." What you see now, is their full potential!

So Ben Simmons will never get better than his year 3 season? Wow, it's like you are trying to outstupid yourself here. I thought this would be the dumbest thing you would say but then this happened.

1. The Sixers are 99% chance to play against the Raptors in the 1st round of the playoffs, what happens next if the Raptors take them out?

The Sixers have a 99% chance of playing one specific team in the first round? Because after game 38 they are slotted to play each other. I really didn't think you would outstupid your previous post and I REALLY didn't think you would do it this quickly

2. the Sixers have 149M on guaranteed salaries for next season (151M lux tax threshold) and three empty spots to fill... They'll surely have to go into the lux tax if they are to retain the roster core... What they do if they don't make the finals this season? Do they stay into the lux tax unable to upgrade the roster, while the competition will upgrade further?

What if they lose the rest of their games this season? What if they never lose another game ever? What ifs are fun.

3. The Sixers have 150M on the books for the 21-22 season (164M lux tax threshold) with six empty roster spots to fill and with Richardson having a P.O. (which he will surely reject at 11M)... What they do, do they go deeeeeeeep into the lux tax only to retain what they have with the competition taking a 2nd step further?

They make moves. Just like every other team.

4. The Sixers have 139M already on the books for the 22-23 season (177M lux tax threshold) but with only 4 contracts in the books (the starting roster but Richardson) and with Embiid and Horford expiring...

What the team that has the worst financials in the league after the Nets (and then 2nd by a small margin) does goofy?

You start with 2 assumptions that are pretty terrible. A) The Sixers will never make an NBA finals B) they won't be able to move any of these contracts. Both are dumb assumptions.

They are unable to upgrade, if they also are unable to contend for the title against a continuously stepping up competition, what do you expect them to do goofy?

Do you expect them to pay some 150M in taxes (lux tax + severe repeaters tax) and continue?

I tell you what happens... just copy the book titled "OKC"... that's what they will do! As anybody else does in business!

OKC got screwed because KD left. So they made some big moves that really hurt them like trading for Carmelo.

I think you've been playing too many video games.

 

[buckalis]

Well you said words.

Here is another excellent of yours that made me laugh a lot though...

OK... You have goofed beyond anything here... Other than these bold phrases...:


Of course they can. This is just an idiotic thing to say.



So Ben Simmons will never get better than his year 3 season? Wow, it's like you are trying to outstupid yourself here. I thought this would be the dumbest thing you would say but then this happened.




The Sixers have a 99% chance of playing one specific team in the first round? Because after game 38 they are slotted to play each other. I really didn't think you would outstupid your previous post and I REALLY didn't think you would do it this quickly


What if they lose the rest of their games this season? What if they never lose another game ever? What ifs are fun.



They make moves. Just like every other team.



You start with 2 assumptions that are pretty terrible. A) The Sixers will never make an NBA finals B) they won't be able to move any of these contracts. Both are dumb assumptions.



OKC got screwed because KD left. So they made some big moves that really hurt them like trading for Carmelo.

I think you've been playing too many video games.

Actually it's you that started with the idiotic assumption that they will make the finals, although the odds are much smaller than other teams in the East and their financial situation is by far worst to allow roster upgrading, which is exactly the opposite to what is the case with the much better odds competition which can afford further and much more impactful upgrading at any time if they need...

Best case scenario for the Sixers is to make the finals this season which is against the odds, because it would make their future less painful to suffer... If they don't make the finals this season (which is the more probable scenario according to the odds) they are screwed!

 

[tlance]

I have answered this in detail before.

Here is another excellent of yours that made me laugh a lot though...

"Philly Sixers(Near Term - 7, Long Term - 7) - They have arguably the most talented starting 5 in basketball but they continue to struggle to make it work. OTOH, the team was built for the playoffs so they may never look super smooth in the regular season. They are likely to make some small changes near term. Long term they have 2 elite level talents in Ben and Embiid that they may need to break up to reach their fullest potential. Remains to be seen on that."

OK... You have goofed beyond anything here... Other than these bold phrases...:

"They are likely to make some small changes near term." They can't!

"Long term they have 2 elite level talents in Ben and Embiid that they may need to break up to reach their fullest potential. Remains to be seen on that." What you see now, is their full potential!

....please explain these:

1. The Sixers are 99% chance to play against the Raptors in the 1st round of the playoffs, what happens next if the Raptors take them out?

2. the Sixers have 149M on guaranteed salaries for next season (151M lux tax threshold) and three empty spots to fill... They'll surely have to go into the lux tax if they are to retain the roster core... What they do if they don't make the finals this season? Do they stay into the lux tax unable to upgrade the roster, while the competition will upgrade further?

3. The Sixers have 150M on the books for the 21-22 season (164M lux tax threshold) with six empty roster spots to fill and with Richardson having a P.O. (which he will surely reject at 11M)... What they do, do they go deeeeeeeep into the lux tax only to retain what they have with the competition taking a 2nd step further?

4. The Sixers have 139M already on the books for the 22-23 season (177M lux tax threshold) but with only 4 contracts in the books (the starting roster but Richardson) and with Embiid and Horford expiring...

What the team that has the worst financials in the league after the Nets (and then 2nd by a small margin) does goofy?

They are unable to upgrade, if they also are unable to contend for the title against a continuously stepping up competition, what do you expect them to do goofy?

Do you expect them to pay some 150M in taxes (lux tax + severe repeaters tax) and continue?

I tell you what happens... just copy the book titled "OKC"... that's what they will do! As anybody else does in business!

According to Bucky math, the Sixers have a 96% chance of playing the Raptors in the first round, even though just 4.5 games separate 2-6 and there are about 45 games left.

LOL.

 

[tlance]

According to Bucky math, the Sixers have a 96% chance of playing the Raptors in the first round, even though just 4.5 games separate 2-6 and there are about 45 games left.

LOL.

Sorry, typo.

that should read 99%

 

[flyerhawk]

Actually it's you that started with the idiotic assumption that they will make the finals, although the odds are much smaller than other teams in the East and their financial situation is by far worst to allow roster upgrading, which is exactly the opposite to what is the case with the much better odds competition which can afford further and much more impactful upgrading at any time if they need...

except I didn’t say they will make the finals.

Best case scenario for the Sixers is to make the finals this season which is against the odds, because it would make their future less painful to suffer... If they don't make the finals this season (which is the more probable scenario according to the odds) they are screwed!

you can keep saying odds over and over but it doesn’t make your comments any more coherent

 

[buckalis]

except I didn’t say they will make the finals.

Neither did I ever say that they won't...

you can keep saying odds over and over but it doesn’t make your comments any more coherent

it does, because all investments in business propositions are examined under the probabilities of success... the ones with the better odds pass... the rest are rejected (and the NBA is business... didn't you know?).

 

[flyerhawk]

Neither did I ever say that they won't...

Desperately trying to move the goal posts here.

it does, because all investments in business propositions are examined under the probabilities of success... the ones with the better odds pass... the rest are rejected (and the NBA is business... didn't you know?).

And you don't understand how the cap actually works. You look at numbers and think that teams are incapable of changing things. If the Sixers do well this year, meaning get to the finals, then the Sixers ownership will eat the luxury tax next season. If they don't, then they will blow things ups. It's not that complicated.

 

[Mecca]

No way.

none of those picks project to be high lotto selections, not even their own.

They have a nice future, but no way they should be ranked ahead of teams with multiple young stars on long term deals or teams with a bonafide prime superstar under contract long term.

Uh, after last night, I put them near the top.

Future is very bright.

They can package some of those picks for a difference maker.

 

[buckalis]

Uh, after last night, I put them near the top.

Future is very bright.

They can package some of those picks for a difference maker.

Well... at least everybody seems to agree on that...

IMO, what they should do, is to only move Schroeder who is the least needed out of their current roster... it's probable that Gallinari would take a lesser annual contract if he'll be offered a 3 seasons extension and Adams is still young... S.G. is of course the one to be based upon and build their future around and of course CP3 can be valuable with the experience he has for the young ones coming...

What they really need to add as 1st priority is a starting wing to supplement the other 4 for the starting roster and then use the picks to build on the depth...

They really are fortunate to simultaneously have a capable starting roster, while rebuilding at the same time!

 

[Mecca]

Well... at least everybody seems to agree on that...

IMO, what they should do, is to only move Schroeder who is the least needed out of their current roster... it's probable that Gallinari would take a lesser annual contract if he'll be offered a 3 seasons extension and Adams is still young... S.G. is of course the one to be based upon and build their future around and of course CP3 can be valuable with the experience he has for the young ones coming...

What they really need to add as 1st priority is a starting wing to supplement the other 4 for the starting roster and then use the picks to build on the depth...

They really are fortunate to simultaneously have a capable starting roster, while rebuilding at the same time!

I kinda like their 3 guard rotation.

I also think Gallo will be the one traded.

Guy just can't stay healthy.

Gallo, lesser contract and a pick for Love?

Everything else you stated, yup.

They are in fantastic shape, now and down the line.