2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

[dtgold88]

This is one of those situations where Shaqdaddy should just admit she was wrong and move on. It's okay to admit your front office had/still has problems while your team's still dominating. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Zero chance

 

[dtgold88]

What are you getting so bent out of shape for?

If you apply for a job and they offer you $50k a year and weekend off and you say "No I want $80k a year and I chose what days I have off" what do you think they'll say?

Yeah....Guys making 50K a year in their field are generally similar in experience and scope of work to a title winning NBA HC.

And wanting to hire your own staff is the same as asking to choose days off.

 

[dtgold88]

For head coach yes. What team is Kidd head coach of?

No doubt the team he coached was the main reason he had success, but he had success with that Lebron fellow and that's who he'd be coaching in LA again.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

We hated when we were losing. Thats They were gleefully rejoicing. Kind of dancing on our graves. Thats what your enemies do

 

[dtgold88]

So what what was this TT vs Whiteside thread then? To me it looked like Heat fans trying to defend one of their players from an idiot making ridiculous claims.

Pat Riley lost his fastball. Remember that one?

So it's ok for some fans from a certain teams to defend their stance on a particular subject but once the Lakers fans do it, it's a "problem"

That, or it was a basketball discussion in a basketball forum comparing a couple players.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Yes and no. I think he ended up the top choice because Lebron likes him. But I don't think he was their true #1 choice. If not for Lebron liking him, I'm not sure he would have been in their top 3.

I also don't think their top choice was Vogel either. But he's turned out to be a pretty good one so far.

Lue and LeBron had really great chemistry which is the only reason he Lue was considered. Without that, not even in the top ten. The Kings quickly hired Luke Walton without even noticing Lue with his championship

 

[shopson67]

Lue was their top choice (at least over Vogel). Not really debatable.

Lue thought he could ask for whatever he wanted. Guess he was wrong, as he's now an assistant once again.

I wanted someone more interesting than Lebron's former ball boy. Vogel was marginally a better choice IMO, and he's earned his keep thus far. Becky Hammon would've been an interesting choice, but sticking her with Lebron would've been a no-win situation for the first female head coach in the NBA. If they won, it was because of Lebron. If the lost, Becky couldn't even win with Lebron.

 

[Mecca]

I presented my arguments for every point you have brought forward and you rejected every one of them because they didn't match your opinion.

You said the Lakers fucked up dealing with Ty Lue because "that's not how its usually done" Who gives a shit how its usually done? You going to base how a team operates by "how its usually done"?

Now please fetch me that laughable claim of my mocking Giannis' contract.

Yeah, I remember the Giannis debate.

In fairness. That was like 3 years ago.


BUT, it was as laughable then as it is now.

That part about Kyrie and Dame didn't age well and Davis is a push.

I wouldn't categorize it as mocking towards Giannis, Just hella uninformed.

Your responses were snarky. But, that was fine with me because it was obvious you had no idea what you were talking about, which you have since admitted.

$20m a year is devaluing for a 3rd year player? Give me a break.

He shouldn't HAVE TO, but he probably WOULD HAVE taken an $20m a year contract if it was offered first. You don't the art of haggling, do you?

Are you seriously saying he's worth that much more than the likes of Anthony Davis, Damien Lillard or Kyrie Irving?

So, they should have low balled him initially, causing undo hurt feelings?

And please stop with Irving, Davis etc....

When you sign your contract has as much to do with how much you get as your talent.

Or, did you really believe that Mike Conley was worth twice as much as Steph Curry?

Isaiah Thomas of the Celtics makes just 6mil a year.

Timing is everything.

Greek Freak is worth every penny in this financial climate.

No need to risk alienating him because you want to play the high/low game.

This is extremely wrong.

Contracts should ALWAYS be viewed as good or bad, with their relation to the cap. That's the only way to determine value.

Putting things into context:

John Wall signed a 5 year 80M contract in 2013. Comes out to be 16M per year.
2013 NBA Cap: 58.7M.
Wall Cap Percentage: 27%

Bradley Beal signed a 5 year, 128 contract in 2016. Comes out to 25.6M
2016 NBA Cap: 94.1M
Beal Cap Percentage: 27%

While you think Beal is massively overpaid compared to Wall, their contracts are reflective over the climate of the cap. Putting that into further perspective, lets say you offered Beal the same extension that Wall got in 2013, 5 years 80M.

His new cap percentage would be: 17%. That's a 10% cap difference, meaning that it takes Beal from being paid on a level on par with what Wall got a few years ago, to being massively underpaid relative to the cap.

Yeah, he would have been heartbroken with a mere $20m a year contract if he was offered that first. How dare the Bucks!!!

 

[shopson67]

I woulda took Morgan Fairchild at one point...

btw, i met her once. woman was high as a kite...

Her best role...

 

[Heatles84]

First of all, I really don't care what folks think of the Lakers. Personally, I like the hate. It means the Lakers are good. Folks don't typically waste their time hating a team that sucks.

Having said that, what @Shaqdaddy11 says isn't without merit.

When the Lakers land a good FA, it's never "Wow, the Lakers must have done a good job recruiting". It's "players just want to be in LA". This...after Lakers fans being told throughout the FA period that "being in LA isn't an advantage anymore."

Also, most of the time, when the Lakers have acquired a star level player, it's been via trade, not FA. That speaks to a front office that, at the least, has managed to not fuck up potential trades, if not shrewd management.

Heck, The Logo never got full credit for how good he is when he was doing his thing for the Lakers. It was building up Memphis, Golden State and now the Clippers that got him the credit he gets.

When fans of other teams post tweets, etc. that support how their team is doing, no one bats an eye or they generally comment positively. A Lakers fans does it and it's "this why people hate Lakers fans".

The Lakers are 20-3, but that's just because of a "weak schedule" (that wasn't as weak as some want to claim).

I get it to some extent. As some have pointed out, 6 years of what the Lakers have gone through is nothing compared to fans of some other teams have endured. Heck, there are teams that are going on 60 years of irrelevance.

But none of this is the fault of Lakers fans. From what I've seen, Lakers fans, especially on here, never disparage other teams fans for enjoying their teams success. Why shouldn't we be allowed to enjoy our teams success?

As for the FO. It was a shitshow when Short Buss was running things and while a little better when Magic and Pelinka took over, Magic couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut which was a bad look.

Since Magic stepped away, things have gotten a lot better (and quieter lol). Some Lakers fans (like Shaqdaddy) seem to want to take that as the Lakers finally having the right folks in place in the FO.

Others, like myself, are taking a more measured approach and basically saying that we still aren't convinced that Pelinka et al are the right ones, but they look a whole lot better now than they did a couple of months ago.

For me, I think the Lakers still need to add someone to truly have a shot at taking down an fully healthy Clippers. If the Lakers can pull something off, or at least come real close to it, either before the trade deadline or in the off-season, then I might start to lean towards this being the right FO.

This is what I'm saying.

 

[dtgold88]

He should just go to Cleveland. They are doing some bang up tanking there right now.

We do know how it's done.

All seriousness, team in our position cannot afford to lose a first rounder and after this season it's a 2nd.

 

[dtgold88]

I just said Philly because no one ever did it better or longer.

Well, Cavs did it twice and went to the Finals 5 times winning once.

 

[Heatles84]

You said I recently said it, not three years ago.

In 2016 Giannis was an upcoming star but nowhere near a top 20 player.

Are you telling me that my opinions of a player 3 years ago are still supposed to hold up today?

You were the only one that stood on that hill, everyone else knew he was going to be good.

 

[dtgold88]

Yep, compared to LA. Cleveland did a fantastic job and we know at times they had some issues.

hard to complain about the job they did going to 4 Finals and only losing to a team many call the best ever.

 

[Mecca]

One thing I'll say about other teams struggles, and ours is that ours may not have been as long, but atleast other teams got to stink in private. Someway, somehow, our stuff would get out in public, and we'd be leading headlines. Otherwise, I've been pleased with what I've seen this year...but I do agree that we need one more guy. A wing defender, that can make plays for others, and knock down timely shots, or in other words Andre Igoudala

First of all, I really don't care what folks think of the Lakers. Personally, I like the hate. It means the Lakers are good. Folks don't typically waste their time hating a team that sucks.

Having said that, what @Shaqdaddy11 says isn't without merit.

When the Lakers land a good FA, it's never "Wow, the Lakers must have done a good job recruiting". It's "players just want to be in LA". This...after Lakers fans being told throughout the FA period that "being in LA isn't an advantage anymore."

Also, most of the time, when the Lakers have acquired a star level player, it's been via trade, not FA. That speaks to a front office that, at the least, has managed to not fuck up potential trades, if not shrewd management.

Heck, The Logo never got full credit for how good he is when he was doing his thing for the Lakers. It was building up Memphis, Golden State and now the Clippers that got him the credit he gets.

When fans of other teams post tweets, etc. that support how their team is doing, no one bats an eye or they generally comment positively. A Lakers fans does it and it's "this why people hate Lakers fans".

The Lakers are 20-3, but that's just because of a "weak schedule" (that wasn't as weak as some want to claim).

I get it to some extent. As some have pointed out, 6 years of what the Lakers have gone through is nothing compared to fans of some other teams have endured. Heck, there are teams that are going on 60 years of irrelevance.

But none of this is the fault of Lakers fans. From what I've seen, Lakers fans, especially on here, never disparage other teams fans for enjoying their teams success. Why shouldn't we be allowed to enjoy our teams success?

As for the FO. It was a shitshow when Short Buss was running things and while a little better when Magic and Pelinka took over, Magic couldn't keep his fucking mouth shut which was a bad look.

Since Magic stepped away, things have gotten a lot better (and quieter lol). Some Lakers fans (like Shaqdaddy) seem to want to take that as the Lakers finally having the right folks in place in the FO.

Others, like myself, are taking a more measured approach and basically saying that we still aren't convinced that Pelinka et al are the right ones, but they look a whole lot better now than they did a couple of months ago.

For me, I think the Lakers still need to add someone to truly have a shot at taking down an fully healthy Clippers. If the Lakers can pull something off, or at least come real close to it, either before the trade deadline or in the off-season, then I might start to lean towards this being the right FO.

In all honesty, I don't think what she says is without merit either.

Right or wrong, this is a case of the messenger vs. the message.

When you post shit about the Cavs finals run being a footnote in history because they only won once, that ONLY CHAMPIONSHIPS MATTER, you can't expect people not to come for you when you post about winning Summer League or being quarter of the Season champs.

 

[Mecca]

so i guess it's official? we're hated again ...?(by more than just nutjobs and detractors)...

just asking to keep track...

said a while back to some o' y'all the day's comin' that you'll ALL hate...

#let'sgo,Lakers

What do you mean again?

I never stopped....lol

And, your team is fucking awesome.

 

[flyerhawk]

Well, Cavs did it four times and went to the Finals 5 times winning once.

FTFY

 

[thunderc]

BELLY BANG KINGS WIN!

Thunder and Kings Wednesday night. Both coming off 2 straight road wins I think. That sounds crazy.

 

[dtgold88]

Yes and no. I think he ended up the top choice because Lebron likes him. But I don't think he was their true #1 choice. If not for Lebron liking him, I'm not sure he would have been in their top 3.

I also don't think their top choice was Vogel either. But he's turned out to be a pretty good one so far.

Not sure if you replied before or after I added the "at least over Vogel". But Lebron liking or not the fact is they offered him first.

Will say I liked the Vogel hire when it happened. Always liked the guy.

 

[flyerhawk]

We do know how it's done.

All seriousness, team in our position cannot afford to lose a first rounder and after this season it's a 2nd.

FTR, I have no issue with tanking. Except when teams intentionally sit players in order to lose.

If they assemble a bad team and they stink, so be it. Basketball is about having elite talent.

No one wants to be the Pacers in perpetuity.