Post your criteria for the 8 Team Playoff

[kburjr]

The CCGs are basically Playoff elimination games. If a 4-loss team beats an undefeated team, then the now one loss team best hope it can get chosen at large. With 5 P5 leagues there already 10 teams playing for a playoff spot, along with the best G5 team. Losing late in the season is not a good thing. If you can't make your championship game it can already be said that 2 teams in your league had a better season.

 

[Churchillin]

If the goal is to pit the best teams against one another to crown a champion then having a mediocre champion doesn’t accomplish that.

Indeed, but who gets to say who is the best? A committee of people who agree with me? I’d rather let the conferences decide who their best is.

 

[kburjr]

Yes, let’s ignore strength of schedule. Because all schedules are equal

So be it. Win your conference before getting an automatic berth.

 

[Churchillin]

Garuntee had the B1G gotten in NW and Ohio state, they would not have changed anything.

No way of knowing if that’s true or not, so I’ll not argue against it.

If the B1G would not change, that would be their problem though.

 

[TigersBleaux]

If Virginia Tech beats Clemson and wins the ACC why shouldn’t they get in ahead of Clemson?

It would essentially be turning the regular season into a giant tournament and that’s much better than the entire season being a beauty pageant.

Win your way in. It would expand the playoffs, regular season conference games would be like pool play, conference championships would be the first round, and two teams would get invited to the second round based on how good they looked on the field.

What if Trevor Lawrence gets hurt enough to miss the CCG, but would be healthy well in time for the Playoff and they lose to Virginia? Yes its a what if scenario, and yes Clemson would still get an at large because the committee would see it fit. But then the At-large spot that Clemson took would remove someone else who is deserving, which would end up this year being Georgia/Bama/Baylor/PSU/Minn/Auburn/Florida/Utah etc. Majority of those teams would blast Virginia.

 

[kburjr]

What if Trevor Lawrence gets hurt enough to miss the CCG, but would be healthy well in time for the Playoff and they lose to Virginia? Yes its a what if scenario, and yes Clemson would still get an at large because the committee would see it fit. But then the At-large spot that Clemson took would remove someone else who is deserving, which would end up this year being Georgia/Bama/Baylor/PSU/Minn/Auburn/Florida/Utah etc. Majority of those teams would blast Virginia.

Yes, but Virginia would have won a play-in game.

 

[uncfan103]

What if Trevor Lawrence gets hurt enough to miss the CCG, but would be healthy well in time for the Playoff and they lose to Virginia? Yes its a what if scenario, and yes Clemson would still get an at large because the committee would see it fit. But then the At-large spot that Clemson took would remove someone else who is deserving, which would end up this year being Georgia/Bama/Baylor/PSU/Minn/Auburn/Florida/Utah etc. Majority of those teams would blast Virginia.

Injuries are part of the game though, whoever Clemson is playing against got there dealing with injuries.

If Tom Brady gets hurt in the first round of the playoffs and they lose to the Steelers it’s not like the Steelers are kicked out of the playoffs in place of a better team that also would’ve beat the Patriots without Brady. Why should college football be different? The conference championship should be the first round of the playoffs, and after the first round 2 teams can get a second chance to enter the single elimination tournament.

 

[TigersBleaux]

Yes, but Virginia would have won a play-in game.

Right, my opinion is that CCG should not be black/white play-in games.

 

[uncfan103]

Right, my opinion is that CCG should not be black/white play-in games.

But why not? Making the CCG a play-in game makes the regular season important and gives everyone a chance to win a National Championship based on success on the field and gives two teams a chance to get in without winning their way in based on performance.

 

[kburjr]

Right, my opinion is that CCG should not be black/white play-in games.

And I think they should. Win your conference, get in the playoffs. Simple enough. If the individual conferences don't want to send a possible 4 loss team to the playoffs, figure out a different way to determine your champion.

 

[TigersBleaux]

Injuries are part of the game though, whoever Clemson is playing against got there dealing with injuries.

If Tom Brady gets hurt in the first round of the playoffs and they lose to the Steelers it’s not like the Steelers are kicked out of the playoffs in place of a better team that also would’ve beat the Patriots without Brady. Why should college football be different? The conference championship should be the first round of the playoffs, and after the first round 2 teams can get a second chance to enter the single elimination tournament.

These arent the same two things. NFL has a salary cap and an even ability to build teams to be on an even talent level. College and recruiting changes the entire field of talent.

I also never said if Trevor lawrence were knocked out in the first game of a playoff that they should be changed out. You changed the entire scenario.

 

[Churchillin]

As has been hashed out every offseason (why bring up an offseason thread in season?)...
Simply winning a conference, even P5, shouldn't mean ANYTHING more than you were a better team than the others in that conference. It doesn't equate across conferences because there are so little tie ins.

Twice in the last 6 years the Pac12 champion had 2 losses and it well could have played out one would have had 3.

ANY format that leaves out deserving teams in lieu of a false sense of either ease (not needing a vote) or reward is just ludicrous.

Your format would do away with any pretense of putting the top (#) teams in a playoff to duke it out. Go ahead and rest players, schedule absolutely nothing but hot garbage for OOC since ranking no longer means a thing, and only care about being at least just slightly less shitty than the rest of your division so you keep that shot late.

All of these suggestions would make what is already a watered down regular season and make it far worse under the guise of creating a more exciting playoff and I'm not sure that really is true, more or less worth all you give up.

Nothing like complaining about a topic being brought up, and then writing a tldr post about it.

 

[kburjr]

But why not? Making the CCG a play-in game makes the regular season important and gives everyone a chance to win a National Championship based on success on the field and gives two teams a chance to get in without winning their way in based on performance.

The Wisconsin CCG over Nebraska is often brought up. 2 Teams finished ahead of Wisconsin in their division but were ineligible for postseason play. Shit happens when you do stupid stuff. Now end of the season, 1 game to go to the Rose Bowl. #14 Nebraska lost 70-31. I think Wisconsin proved at that time to be as good as any top 4 team. Alabama going to beat Auburn by 39 this year? That's a decent comp.

 

[jjc2009]

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Indeed, but who gets to say who is the best? A committee of people who agree with me? I’d rather let the conferences decide who their best is.

All that will tell you is who the best in that conference is. It doesn’t necessarily mean that team is the best (or second, third, fourth or 5th best for that matter).

 

[uncfan103]

These arent the same two things. NFL has a salary cap and an even ability to build teams to be on an even talent level. College and recruiting changes the entire field of talent.

I also never said if Trevor lawrence were knocked out in the first game of a playoff that they should be changed out. You changed the entire scenario.

no, i didn’t change the scenario. You said if he was knocked out of the conference championship game, which would essentially be a play-in game (in which losers can still earn their way in)

 

[TigersBleaux]

no, i didn’t change the scenario. You said if he was knocked out of the conference championship game, which would essentially be a play-in game (in which losers can still earn their way in)

Yes, you did. Not a play-in game in my hypothetical.

 

[uncfan103]

Yes, you did. Not a play-in game in my hypothetical.

But your comment was in response to conference champions getting an automatic berth. If the conference champion gets an automatic berth then it is a play-in game and it makes the entire season a playoff that culminates in a National Champion getting crowned

 

[outofyourmind]

So it basically falls into 2 areas:


1. Invitational vs Playoff

2. Most Deserving vs Finding the Best Team in the Nation.



does that about cover it.

 

[kburjr]

So it basically falls into 2 areas:


1. Invitational vs Playoff

2. Most Deserving vs Finding the Best Team in the Nation.



does that about cover it.

You don't deserve to be in the playoffs to find the best team in the country if you aren't even the best team in your division.

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

The Best 8 Teams judged by the committee.

That's it. Which yeah, means a non conference champ can get in over a conference champ. A good example of why comes from the SEC and Pac this year. Auburn is *probably the 5th best team in the SEC behind LSU, Alabama, Georgia and Florida. They beat the likely 1 loss Pac 12 champ Oregon and under the automatic berth system for P5 conference winners O would get in while potentially 2 of those teams were left out of even an 8 team playoff.

The flip is I am concerned if the SEC and SE portion of the country continues to dominate CFB that it will become more of a regional vs national sport. (We've only had 1 national champion not from the south in the college playoff era.)