Post your criteria for the 8 Team Playoff

[ralphiewvu]

I'm sorry.
The 5 loss scenario is purely yours.

Under your adorable conference champion idea, it allows it to happen. A team is more than capable of losing 2/3 ooc games and if their division is weak could still make the conference champ game with 4/5 losses total. It’s rare but it can happen.

 

[Churchillin]

The Best 8 Teams judged by the committee.

That's it. Which yeah, means a non conference champ can get in over a conference champ. A good example of why comes from the SEC and Pac this year. Auburn is *probably the 5th best team in the SEC behind LSU, Alabama, Georgia and Florida. They beat the likely 1 loss Pac 12 champ Oregon and under the automatic berth system for P5 conference winners O would get in while potentially 2 of those teams were left out of even an 8 team playoff.

The flip is I am concerned if the SEC and SE portion of the country continues to dominate CFB that it will become more of a regional vs national sport. (We've only had 1 national champion not from the south in the college playoff era.)

You base a lot on one early season game there. Obviously a lot of progress or regress can be made between early and late in the season.

By my lights your heavily pro-sec assumptions of superiority are precisely why we can’t say “just have the best eight teams.”

The OP system is perfect. Under it, up to three sec teams could make it into an eight team playoff. If that’s not enough, then at some point it becomes “tough shit.”

Teams mostly play other teams within their own conferences. It’s impossible to say that one conference deserves way more teams based on those games.

Unless drastically more out-of-conference games are played in the regular season, you have to let all the conferences put their best team in an eight-team playoff.

 

[TigersBleaux]

Under your adorable conference champion idea, it allows it to happen. A team is more than capable of losing 2/3 ooc games and if their division is weak could still make the conference champ game with 4/5 losses total. It’s rare but it can happen.

The opportunity occurs more often than one would think. If you lower it to 3-losses its even more. A team that has lost 3 games does not deserve a shot at a championship in the current CFB landscape. This isnt the NFL where all teams are created equal, have equal chances at talent, salary caps, you play everyone in your division twice, and everyone plays an essentially equivalent "OOC" schedule. It does not work in college, and never could. Talent disparity is too large. Only the Big 12 has all teams play each other. The comparison of CFB to any of the professional sports playoffs that are all under the same parameters is not an accurate way of comparing.

 

[WizardHawk]

So most/many of you would have been entirely fine with a 2 loss UW that sputtered all year and didn't look that decent in their bowl game, getting into a playoff over a 1 loss team from a tough division/better conference.

No thank you.

Auto bids are just a bad idea.

 

[ralphiewvu]

The opportunity occurs more often than one would think. If you lower it to 3-losses its even more. A team that has lost 3 games does not deserve a shot at a championship in the current CFB landscape. This isnt the NFL where all teams are created equal, have equal chances at talent, salary caps, you play everyone in your division twice, and everyone plays an essentially equivalent "OOC" schedule. It does not work in college, and never could. Talent disparity is too large. Only the Big 12 has all teams play each other. The comparison of CFB to any of the professional sports playoffs that are all under the same parameters is not an accurate way of comparing.

NAILED IT

 

[ralphiewvu]

So most/many of you would have been entirely fine with a 2 loss UW that sputtered all year and didn't look that decent in their bowl game, getting into a playoff over a 1 loss team from a tough division/better conference.



No thank you.

Auto bids are just a bad idea.

Most of them said they’d welcome a 4 loss NW into the playoffs last year if they would of beat Ohio state because of the conference champ game title. A 2 loss UDub would have easily been in in Their minds.

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

You base a lot on one early season game there. Obviously a lot of progress or regress can be made between early and late in the season.

By my lights your heavily pro-sec assumptions of superiority are precisely why we can’t say “just have the best eight teams.”

The OP system is perfect. Under it, up to three sec teams could make it into an eight team playoff. If that’s not enough, then at some point it becomes “tough shit.”

Teams mostly play other teams within their own conferences. It’s impossible to say that one conference deserves way more teams based on those games.

Unless drastically more out-of-conference games are played in the regular season, you have to let all the conferences put their best team in an eight-team playoff.

It was an early season game, but it still happened and demostrates why a conference champion isn't necessarily better than a non-conference champion. The playoff results we have already show that as well. The fact is CFB is not the NFL and all divisions and conferences aren't equal and were never designed to be equal, as such depending on conference results for the best teams in the nation overall is flawed.

However, with an 8 team playoff I would expect p5 champions to make it in most of the time even with a best 8 criteria.

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

If the season ended right this moment it would mean Alabama would get bumped in favor of Cinncinati...Correct?...Since Alabama would be the 3rd SEC team in.

Ok. How many of y'all would bet your truck that Cinncinatti could beat Alabama?

 

[CJH9972]

If the season ended right this moment it would mean Alabama would get bumped in favor of Cinncinati...Correct?...Since Alabama would be the 3rd SEC team in.

Ok. How many of y'all would bet your truck that Cinncinatti could beat Alabama?

How many sports determine advancement based on who you would pick to win a hypothetical game?

 

[outofyourmind]

What P5 program will schedule tough ooc if they mean nothing?

I'm not sure that they would mean nothing.
There will be 2 slots to fill at the end of the year.
It matters.

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

How many sports determine advancement based on who you would pick to win a hypothetical game?

How many sports say a team with a budget of a multinational corporation are equal to a team with the budget of a local gas station and should compete at the same level?

If you want a competitive league result, create a competitive league. CFB as currently organized is not it.

 

[ralphiewvu]

I'm not sure that they would mean nothing.
There will be 2 slots to fill at the end of the year.
It matters.

2 slots less than now. An it’s already a struggle for some. I just can’t help but think ooc schedules will get worse because the conference champ auto bid is really all ya need.

But again I’m for auto bids with stipulations. Of course it will rarely happen but inviting a 4 loss team because they won a game I’m against.

 

[CJH9972]

How many sports say a team with a budget of a multinational corporation are equal to a team with the budget of a local gas station and should compete at the same level?

If you want a competitive league result, create a competitive league. CFB as currently organized is not it.

Those differences aren't helped by formats designed to maintain if not increase the competitive gap. What might any G5 team/league become under a format where they control their destiny without regard to what people think about them? How many quality players and coaches would be more inclined to invest in these programs? How many more fans might choose to follow such teams? What might networks be willing to pay these leagues for their games under such a system compared to one where they are eliminated before they begin?

 

[fredmccallyRTR]

Those differences aren't helped by formats designed to maintain if not increase the competitive gap. What might any G5 team/league become under a format where they control their destiny without regard to what people think about them? How many quality players and coaches would be more inclined to invest in these programs? How many more fans might choose to follow such teams? What might networks be willing to pay these leagues for their games under such a system compared to one where they are eliminated before they begin?

Are we trying to determine the best team or build up smaller programs? If it's the latter then you're correct.

 

[Rolltide94]

Pretty simple with an 8 team playoff

6 SEC schools and 2 at large schools

All games played between NOLA and Atlanta

You forgot automatic #1 seed goes to Alabama...otherwise acceptable.

 

[ralphiewvu]

You forgot automatic #1 seed goes to Alabama...otherwise acceptable.

I knew you’d have no problem with a potential 4 loss pac 12 team making the playoff.

 

[Rolltide94]

Those differences aren't helped by formats designed to maintain if not increase the competitive gap. What might any G5 team/league become under a format where they control their destiny without regard to what people think about them? How many quality players and coaches would be more inclined to invest in these programs? How many more fans might choose to follow such teams? What might networks be willing to pay these leagues for their games under such a system compared to one where they are eliminated before they begin?

i Knew if we waited long enough your manifesto would emerge...good old socialism, I don't have anything, but I would like to share yours.

 

[CJH9972]

Are we trying to determine the best team or build up smaller programs? If it's the latter then you're correct.

My wish is to determine a winner in a fair and objective manner.

 

[Rolltide94]

I knew you’d have no problem with a potential 4 loss pac 12 team making the playoff.

As long as they get the 8 seed.

 

[CJH9972]

i Knew if we waited long enough your manifesto would emerge...good old socialism, I don't have anything, but I would like to share yours.

What are you talking about? Fair competition rules is socialism? Every competition that uses rules is socialism?