Post your criteria for the 8 Team Playoff

[ralphiewvu]

It's not about who do we think would win. It's to make sure we get the most deserving teams in the playoff. Northwestern would likely be thumped by the #1 seed. Fair enough, but Northwestern would have earned a seat at the table. And it makes sure we get the best teams in there. Under the current system, it's theoretically possible that we could have 5 undefeated P5 teams who are all champs and someone get left out. You can also get stuff like a conference champion winning a tough conference championship and then getting left out because Odierno (what the hell does some general know about football?) thinks a team that didn't win its division nevertheless passes the "eye test." If you have 8 teams and take the conference champs and the highest ranked G5 team, you ensure that you're getting the most deserving teams that earned it on the field.

Again how is a 4 loss team one of the most deserving? Because they won one game? I’ll all for an 8 team playoff. But there needs to be stipulations. All divisions and scheduling aren’t equal. It doesn’t make sense to reward someone for one game.

 

[Churchillin]

Leave the committee. Top 8. I fail to see how being a P5 conference champion should automatically qualify you. Had Northwestern pulled off an upset in last year's Big 10 game, you'd have a five loss team in the playoff.

True that would have been a problem. Firstly that didn’t happen though.
Secondly, if it had happened, then no doubt the B1G would have responded by changing the way their conference champion is decided rather than ever letting another Northwestern-type situation to happen again. So it would evolve for the better, which is a plus.
Third, this wouldn’t really be a problem of the playoff system, it would be a problem for the B1G. No other conference us hurt by it. Whereas right now a mistake by the committee can really hurt two or three conferences.

Had the B1G put in Northwestern, that would not have effed everyone else in the country up.

 

[Voltaire26]

(1) what about the teams that can’t make the conference championship because their division is stacked yet still have a better record, more quality wins and a higher sos? (2) You going to put in a 4 loss conference champ in over them?

(1) We can "what about" things to death. If your team is good enough, they may be selected by the committee which has two at large selections.

(2) YES, Conference Champions move on.

 

[ralphiewvu]

True that would have been a problem. Firstly that didn’t happen though.
Secondly, if it had happened, then no doubt the B1G would have responded by changing the way their conference champion is decided rather than ever letting another Northwestern-type situation to happen again. So it would evolve for the better, which is a plus.
Third, this wouldn’t really be a problem of the playoff system, it would be a problem for the B1G. No other conference us hurt by it. Whereas right now a mistake by the committee can really hurt two or three conferences.

Had the B1G put in Northwestern, that would not have effed everyone else in the country up.

Garuntee had the B1G gotten in NW and Ohio state, they would not have changed anything.

 

[ralphiewvu]

(1) We can "what about" things to death. If your team is good enough, they may be selected by the committee which has two at large selections.

(2) YES, Conference Champions move on.

We can also use common sense and say hey, a 5 loss conference champ still isn’t one of the best 8 teams. So putting them in over a few 1 loss nonconference champs doesn’t make sense. Let’s use stipulations if the conference champ route is taken.

 

[WizardHawk]

We can also use common sense and say hey, a 5 loss conference champ still isn’t one of the best 8 teams. So putting them in over a few 1 loss nonconference champs doesn’t make sense. Let’s use stipulations if the conference champ route is taken.

By going with auto bids they are by default entirely throwing out the concept of 'best teams'. That's a fact. They aren't even attempting to pretend it matters. Those you are debating with simply want an easier path for their conference to get attention at the end of the year and it really doesn't matter how much they deserve it from a national perspective.

I for one would NOT have wanted UW to be in an auto bid last year and deal with that embarrassment. They simply were not a top 10 caliber team. They were the tallest midget and nothing more. They were the least smelly fish in the case, but still weren't prime steak.

People seriously never think through the feel good proposal of auto bids and bloated playoffs. If they did they'd hate it and burn it with fire like the rest of us.

 

[ralphiewvu]

By going with auto bids they are by default entirely throwing out the concept of 'best teams'. That's a fact. They aren't even attempting to pretend it matters. Those you are debating with simply want an easier path for their conference to get attention at the end of the year and it really doesn't matter how much they deserve it from a national perspective.

I for one would NOT have wanted UW to be in an auto bid last year and deal with that embarrassment. They simply were not a top 10 caliber team. They were the tallest midget and nothing more. They were the least smelly fish in the case, but still weren't prime steak.

People seriously never think through the feel good proposal of auto bids and bloated playoffs. If they did they'd hate it and burn it with fire like the rest of us.

I understand what you are saying and mostly agree with the thought. But if there is stipulations like must be ranked in the top 12, can’t have more than 2 losses and sos needs to be in the top 60, I believe that can work. That’ll eliminate having a 4 or 5 loss team in if they go to conference champions. (Which I still doubt they’d ever do)

 

[cwerph]

One of the teams must always be Ohio State.

Other than that, I really don't give a rip.

 

[rmilia1]

For me

1a. 1 loss or less vs a minimum of 9 P5 oppenents
1b. Conference championship
3. SoS
4. Best 3 wins
5. Best loss
6. Wins vs +.500 teams


Thats pretty much it. Dont really care about MoV or eye test.

 

[TigersBleaux]

Yes. The playoffs are to determine a national championship. If you can't even win your division, you don't deserve a shot at the national championship. Alabama is a great football team (though significantly worse without Tua), but they had their chance against LSU and lost. That's how it works. If Northwestern had won their division and then beat Ohio State, as the B1G champ, they'd have more of a claim that Bama does.

Committee has already shown winning your conference division doesnt mean anything.

 

[TigersBleaux]

Go back to BCS rankings. Take the 5 power conference championship game winners, and the next 3 highest ranked teams.

 

[UtahUte]

Just winning a conference championship game (which is nothing more than an money grab anyway) should not be an automatic criteria.

Without committee input you're going to see more garbage gamesmanship with scheduling. Teams will surround their most difficult games with glorified scrimmages just to get into that game, and hell, if they blow it, then they can still claim an at large seat at the table.

Then fix the scheduling too. It’s not hard to do.

 

[jjc2009]

Who cares? You make it sound like a fucking travesty if they would would have pulled an upset.

If you want a system that favors a four or five loss team over a one or two loss team I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[jjc2009]

Then fix the scheduling too. It’s not hard to do.

Is it? Teams are still gaming schedules now. What’s stopping them?

 

[jjc2009]

True that would have been a problem. Firstly that didn’t happen though.
Secondly, if it had happened, then no doubt the B1G would have responded by changing the way their conference champion is decided rather than ever letting another Northwestern-type situation to happen again. So it would evolve for the better, which is a plus.
Third, this wouldn’t really be a problem of the playoff system, it would be a problem for the B1G. No other conference us hurt by it. Whereas right now a mistake by the committee can really hurt two or three conferences.

Had the B1G put in Northwestern, that would not have effed everyone else in the country up.

If the goal is to pit the best teams against one another to crown a champion then having a mediocre champion doesn’t accomplish that.

 

[Wild Turkey]

My criteria is that someone who could actually win it and deserved to be in was left out.

This hasn't happened.

 

[DHoey]

If you want a system that favors a four or five loss team over a one or two loss team I don’t know what to tell you.

If you want an invitational to decide a national championship, then I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[jjc2009]

If you want an invitational to decide a national championship, then I don’t know what to tell you.

An invitational based on merit suits me just fine.

 

[DHoey]

An invitational based on merit suits me just fine.

When people have to decide who has the better loss, which win was better, if beating a team by 50 is better that beating a team by 20. If a week 1 loss is different than a week 13 loss. If 12-1 > 13-0 > 12-1. Then it’s not based on merit anymore.

 

[uncfan103]

Your still inviting it to happen. That’s the problem. An those 2 spots might not make up for all the teams this 4 plus loss team would be in over. We’ll use this year, if Virginia Tech (or whomever from the coastal) would beat Clemson in the acc champ game. Under your system 3 loss Virginia Tech would be in over Clemson, maybe a 2 loss Minnesota, the loser of the sec champ game, 1 loss Alabama, a 2 loss Utah/Oregon and a 2 loss OU/Baylor. Does that make any sense?

If Virginia Tech beats Clemson and wins the ACC why shouldn’t they get in ahead of Clemson?

It would essentially be turning the regular season into a giant tournament and that’s much better than the entire season being a beauty pageant.

Win your way in. It would expand the playoffs, regular season conference games would be like pool play, conference championships would be the first round, and two teams would get invited to the second round based on how good they looked on the field.