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[Manster7588]

Go read your link again. While it does talk about Franchise tags and transistion tags it doesn't say squat about 5th year options.
There is a major difference as Agents are working with the team trying to avoid the tags, whereas the 5th year option is usually enacted before any negotiations and if its enacted the agent cant negotiate out of it while the Franchise tag can be eliminated with a newly negotiated deal.

Again with the information available we don't know if agents get paid on the 5th year option.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

and this is the tim e of year for puff pieces

Would be a good thread... who is the media hyping up for your team?

Ours is Goedert and both the 2nd round picks. Saw one were the writer (ex player) is saying the WR is doing things he’s never saw a player at his size do ever.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I just don’t understand why you guys think the players agent wouldn’t get paid for a contract he negotiated even if the 5th year option has a set price. They get paid when they apply a transition tag or traditional tag and they don’t negotiate any money for those.
Obviously Jarntt is brilliant when he agrees with me. It’s just sometimes he slips up and doesn’t agree with me. You can’t expect him to be perfect like me.

you may very well be right on this one. I wouldnt think so, but I dont really know either. But again you skipped right over what I said about the fran tag & all the other tags. Agents still doing things for the player.
the 5th year option there is none of that. So yeah. It makes me wonder if they get any piece of that pie. there is zero representation on the 5th year of a rookie deal.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Go read your link again. While it does talk about Franchise tags and transistion tags it doesn't say squat about 5th year options.
There is a major difference as Agents are working with the team trying to avoid the tags, whereas the 5th year option is usually enacted before any negotiations and if its enacted the agent cant negotiate out of it while the Franchise tag can be eliminated with a newly negotiated deal.

Again with the information available we don't know if agents get paid on the 5th year option.

I think Jarntt explained it well. They get paid for everything the players make contractually as there agent.
If the deal doesn’t get done and the player is paid a predetermined amount the agent gets paid.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

you may very well be right on this one. I wouldnt think so, but I dont really know either. But again you skipped right over what I said about the fran tag & all the other tags. Agents still doing things for the player.
the 5th year option there is none of that. So yeah. It makes me wonder if they get any piece of that pie. there is zero representation on the 5th year of a rookie deal.

I guess I just think that because the 5th year option is part of the 4 year deal the agent negotiated.
Agents may very well be working an extension before the optional 5th year kicks in so they are working in that scenario too.
I just can’t see a rookie being signed to an agent and making money during the 5th year option and the agent not getting paid. It just seems is the players make money they have to pay their agent.

 

[Manster7588]

OK, I found this. I think it clearly states agents DO NOT get paid for the 5th year option.

(3) As used in this Section 4(B), the term “compensation” shall be deemed to include only sala-
ries, signing bonuses, reporting bonuses, roster bonuses, Practice Squad salary in excess of the
minimum Practice Squad salary specified in Article 33 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement,
and any performance incentives earned by the player during the term of the contract (includ-
ing any option year) negotiated by the Contract Advisor. For example, and without limitation,
the term compensation shall not include any “honor” incentive bonuses (e.g., ALL PRO, PRO
BOWL, Rookie of the Year), or any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided
for in the player’s individual contract.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I think Jarntt explained it well. They get paid for everything the players make contractually as there agent.
If the deal doesn’t get done and the player is paid a predetermined amount the agent gets paid.

would make sense. Except. Do we even know the agent signs off on the 5th year option?
there is a reason it is 4+1

Example. (hypothetical)
Wentz signs a rookie deal.
He has 2 years left on his contract.
but signs with a new agent during the 1st three years.
Then signs an extension for three years more.
Now to the eagles he is under contract for 5 years.
1st agent obviously is paid for rookie deal.
2nd agent is the one being paid for the extension even though it was added to the original contract.

so.

Could it be the Agent gets paid for the 4 years of a rookie deal (agent of record)
& not for the 5th year since it was negotiated by the CBA.

Things that make you say Hmmm.... (well me atleast)

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I guess I just think that because the 5th year option is part of the 4 year deal the agent negotiated.
Agents may very well be working an extension before the optional 5th year kicks in so they are working in that scenario too.
I just can’t see a rookie being signed to an agent and making money during the 5th year option and the agent not getting paid. It just seems is the players make money they have to pay their agent.

It might be.
but you would think the players union would/should have a problem with that.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

OK, I found this. I think it clearly states agents DO NOT get paid for the 5th year option.

(3) As used in this Section 4(B), the term “compensation” shall be deemed to include only sala-
ries, signing bonuses, reporting bonuses, roster bonuses, Practice Squad salary in excess of the
minimum Practice Squad salary specified in Article 33 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement,
and any performance incentives earned by the player during the term of the contract (includ-
ing any option year) negotiated by the Contract Advisor. For example, and without limitation,
the term compensation shall not include any “honor” incentive bonuses (e.g., ALL PRO, PRO
BOWL, Rookie of the Year), or any collectively bargained benefits or other payments provided
for in the player’s individual contract.

Huhh? First give us the link. 2nd where does it say the agent doesn’t get paid for 5th year option. It doesn’t even remotely mention the agent doesn’t get paid.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

would make sense. Except. Do we even know the agent signs off on the 5th year option?
there is a reason it is 4+1

Example. (hypothetical)
Wentz signs a rookie deal.
He has 2 years left on his contract.
but signs with a new agent during the 1st three years.
Then signs an extension for three years more.
Now to the eagles he is under contract for 5 years.
1st agent obviously is paid for rookie deal.
2nd agent is the one being paid for the extension even though it was added to the original contract.

so.

Could it be the Agent gets paid for the 4 years of a rookie deal (agent of record)
& not for the 5th year since it was negotiated by the CBA.

Things that make you say Hmmm.... (well me atleast)

Good question.

 

[Manster7588]

I just don’t understand why you guys think the players agent wouldn’t get paid for a contract he negotiated even if the 5th year option has a set price. They get paid when they apply a transition tag or traditional tag and they don’t negotiate any money for those.
Obviously Jarntt is brilliant when he agrees with me. It’s just sometimes he slips up and doesn’t agree with me. You can’t expect him to be perfect like me.

He doesn't negotiate the option. He CAN'T negotiate the option, its mandated by the CBA. Hell we've already posted plenty of articles stating just this.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

It might be.
but you would think the players union would/should have a problem with that.

I’m sure the agents argument would be that I work for you year round and I deserve to get paid. Like Ari on Entourage

 

[Dude]

The good thing about being in trouble is that you can get out of it.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

He doesn't negotiate the option. He CAN'T negotiate the option, its mandated by the CBA. Hell we've already posted plenty of articles stating just this.

Yes, but that isn’t what we are talking about. He doesn’t negotiate the transition tag and he gets paid for that. And your link, again, says absolutely NOTHING about agents not getting paid for a 5th year option.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

The good thing about being in trouble is that you can get out of it.

He isn’t really going to be in trouble. By the way let’s just pull you in the current convo. Do you think agents get paid when the team takes the 5th year option on the rookie contract?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Huhh? First give us the link. 2nd where does it say the agent doesn’t get paid for 5th year option. It doesn’t even remotely mention the agent doesn’t get paid.

actually that is how I read it too.
Hell if I am reading correctly (which is possible I am not) sounds like they might not even be paid for the base salary of the 4 years. Just all the monies that is over that #.
but that might not be right, since I posted something earlier about Players possibly getting screwed by teams & one of the only reason on a rookie deal to have an agent is they will make sure they dont get screwed.
but now I only have more questions on what an agent gets paid on a rookie deal LOL

 

[Manster7588]

Huhh? First give us the link. 2nd where does it say the agent doesn’t get paid for 5th year option. It doesn’t even remotely mention the agent doesn’t get paid.

It says the agent doesn't get paid for collectively bargained benefits. The 5th year option IS Collectively Bargained

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1dV-zCinUOJakgwaGxX4C0&cshid=1564894758928

 

[Dude]

He isn’t really going to be in trouble. By the way let’s just pull you in the current convo. Do you think agents get paid when the team takes the 5th year option on the rookie contract?

Well I think that all angles must be analyzed and precision is important.

 

[Manster7588]

actually that is how I read it too.
Hell if I am reading correctly (which is possible I am not) sounds like they might not even be paid for the base salary of the 4 years. Just all the monies that is over that #.
but that might not be right, since I posted something earlier about Players possibly getting screwed by teams & one of the only reason on a rookie deal to have an agent is they will make sure they dont get screwed.
but now I only have more questions on what an agent gets paid on a rookie deal LOL

Truth be told any rookie hiring an agent is just throwing away money.
The CBA writes the contract for them.

 

[Manster7588]

Bye the way, here's the source I'm using.

NFLPA REGULATIONS GOVERNING CONTRACT ADVISORS