Not Saying the Colts are Tanking the Season...

[flamingrey]

Good thing nobody would ask you. LOL.

 

[vancelot23]

Any team that trades away that much for Manning deserves the 5 years of suck they get afterwords. Idiotic trade.

 

[Tubbs1518]

It's not even ensuring a SB. We still aren't better than the Packers, Saints or NE IMO. And it's a good thing no one would ask you too.

 

[flamingrey]

Any team that trades away that much for Manning deserves the 5 years of suck they get afterwords. Idiotic trade.

We'd still have most of the same roster 3 years down the road. The only thing we wouldn't have are 3-4 picks that may or may not round up anyways. By no means would it kill the roster. So, I understand you don't like the trade, but "5 years of suck" is an overreaction.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Well depends on who are FA during that time because we would have to pay Mannings 20 MIL contract. Atkins, Dunlap, Whit, Smith, Sims, Peko, Johnson, Lawson, Howard's all contracts are coming up in the next couple years. No way we would keep all those guys.

 

[vancelot23]

It's never a good idea to trade away that much for one players. It's just not. That's why teams don't do it. In those 2 years, we will lose some guys and not have any picks to replace them with. No one player, for 2 to 3 years is worth that many picks. That's a terrible team, and no good GM would do it. I also have no problem with trades (no idea where you get that), I just don't like dumb trades that involve us trading away all of our 1st round picks.

 

[Cincyfan78]

No way. That would HAVE to wreck their salary cap. Remember, Peyton has an "out" after this year. It is contingent on his neck, but I wonder if he and the Colts would mutally agree to part ways...he would then be a Free Agent. That is more plausible than being traded. If he's traded all that bonus money accelerates into the current year's cap. Considering how much money Petyon gets, a large chunck of that (if not most) has to be bonus so it is spread out. No way that trading him could work out financially...

*this is an assumption on Peyton's contract...I don't know the exact details.

 

[flamingrey]

It's never a good idea to trade away that much for one players. It's just not. That's why teams don't do it. In those 2 years, we will lose some guys and not have any picks to replace them with. No one player, for 2 to 3 years is worth that many picks. That's a terrible team, and no good GM would do it. I also have no problem with trades (no idea where you get that), I just don't like dumb trades that involve us trading away all of our 1st round picks.

The reason nobody does it is because players of that caliber NEVER become available.

I never said you don't like trades, I said "the" trade. We're going to have an abundant 1st and 2nd (conditional) picks the next 2 years anyways. Essentially getting rid of those plus another pick really doesn't put us back from where we'd normally be. So, even if we didn't have the picks we got for Carson, I don't think I'd consider our next 5 years "doomed" by any means.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I wouldn't trade anything more than one 1st rounder for Manning at this point in his career and that is contingent on where Dalton leads us this year. If you trade for Manning you have to find another QB in a few years because Dalton isn't going to be here.

 

[flamingrey]

No way. That would HAVE to wreck their salary cap. Remember, Peyton has an "out" after this year. It is contingent on his neck, but I wonder if he and the Colts would mutally agree to part ways...he would then be a Free Agent. That is more plausible than being traded. If he's traded all that bonus money accelerates into the current year's cap. Considering how much money Petyon gets, a large chunck of that (if not most) has to be bonus so it is spread out. No way that trading him could work out financially...

*this is an assumption on Peyton's contract...I don't know the exact details.

PERFECT!

Considering the $17 million we're already under the cap.

Remember, Peyton is playing 1 more year in Indianapolis, so his "out" would be gone. He'd be under contract.

Also, keep in mind, if Peyton agrees to be traded to whatever team, I'm sure he'd have no issue restructuring his contract. (He'd never agree to play for the Bengals, but for the right situation, there's no reason he wouldn't restructure.)

 

[Tubbs1518]

He "restructured" this contract and accepted less for INDY who he has been with for 12 years, he isn't taking that much less.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I am trying to understand how much you were giving away..let me know if this is the value you meant..

3 - 1st round Picks (this years 2, and our 1st in 2013)
2 - 2nd round picks (ours and the Oakland pick)

That is 5 draft picks that are very high. That is a whole new offensive line if we wanted it.

Whitworth is already a damn good LT, and Smith looks like he is coming around finally. So we basically have the ends, now we just need the three in the middle, 2 guards and a center. Take a center with a lower first round pick, and the guards with the 2 seconds.

Leaves us two more 1st round picks, 1 to go after another good WR to pair with Green once Simpson is gone, and another for a RB.

That is a completely rebuilt offense. I know manning is damn good, but Dalton is completing over 60%of his passes, he is 23 years old, has had 3 100 QB ratings in his 6 starts, and is still a rookie.

I love Manning and would love to have him here, but not at the expense of having a brand new offense.

That is a top flight WR, RB, C and two solid 2nd round guards to add to this already potent potential offense.

 

[flamingrey]

My mentality:

If someone offered me the Bengals winning the SB this year with the contingency that they display epic suckage for the next 10 years, I'd take it 100 times out of 100.

 

[Tubbs1518]

This is a trade that would never happen. No one is throwing those kinds of picks for him.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Not me. I think Dalton can get us that SB and keep us in it every year so no I wouldn't take that trade ever. 0/100 for me.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

My mentality:

If someone offered me the Bengals winning the SB this year with the contingency that they display epic suckage for the next 10 years, I'd take it 100 times out of 100.

And yet, Manning has only won 1 SB in how many years of making it to the playoffs? You are not guaranteed anything, especially the health of a QB with a pretty serious neck surgery in his mid 30's.

 

[flamingrey]

I am trying to understand how much you were giving away..let me know if this is the value you meant..

3 - 1st round Picks (this years 2, and our 1st in 2013)
2 - 2nd round picks (ours and the Oakland pick)

No.

2 - 1st round Picks (2013 + 2014)
Raiders pick in 2014

 

[flamingrey]

And yet, Manning has only won 1 SB in how many years of making it to the playoffs? You are not guaranteed anything, especially the health of a QB with a pretty serious neck surgery in his mid 30's.

That's why I said that's my "mentality". Of course nobody can guarantee you anything.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

No.

2 - 1st round Picks (2013 + 2014)
Raiders pick in 2014

I would be close to being on board with that, but only if Dalton starts sucking terrible the rest of teh way out this season. If Dalton has 7 to 9 100QB rating and lead us to a winning record after a 4-12 season even with a weaker schedule, I am not giving that up, but rather reinvesting it for Dalton.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

Trading for Peyton Manning complete offsets everything we gained from trading Palmer. And then some. Silliness aside it would never happen in this lifetime.