Possible Lockout for the NFL during the 2021 season?

[handicappers]

I don’t have the mental acumen to get slap stick. Now that was funny. It’s the idiots of our society that laugh at slap stick bro.

Not true. I’m a Rhodes scholar and did a semester at sea and I laugh at those actors’ movies. Trust me, it’s you that doesn’t get it.

 

[dbldwn711]

Small market teams are raking in cash too. Every team can afford some dead contracts.
People who resolve issues by saying, “Life isn’t fair” are assholes. Let’s work together to make it fair. That’s such a shitty excuse. Some drunk driver paralyzed your cute little girl... oh well, life isn’t fair.
Many football players aren’t millionaires. They play a brutal sport and we don’t give a shit about their lives just as long as they entertain us. It’s a business. In business there are negotiations. It sucks as fans but the players have the right to negotiate a fair deal. Both sides have that right and I don’t understand why people only support the owners rights.

You know who are assholes? People who resort to strawman arguments using “young paralyzed girls” to try and make a point?

 

[gob]

I need someone who is a hockey fan to help me with a part.

I agree with the committee on player discipline. They can use something from the NHL called "Department of Player Safety". It basically looks at questionable hits and lays punishments if needed ( I need a hand to figure out if player Safety is a committee).

The only issues ( IMO) are player Safety are

- There stacked against repeat offenders ( see Tom Wilson, Brad Marchand etc.)

- They can lieniant on certain suspension worthy hits( Charlie McAvoy on Josh Anderson gets 1 game).

Yeah....I don't think we want the NHL DoPS in the NFL, haha

 

[broncosmitty]

Posturing is all this is. The players have no leverage. The salary cap keeps increasing, the highest paid player in the league basically keeps changing every year. There's nothing more they can ask for other than taking marijuana off the list of banned substances, but that's not going to warrant a year-long lockout.

Guarenteed contracts.

There will be a strike. Prepare yourself.

 

[broncosmitty]

It's the worst union on the planet though, so they may take a bag of candy and be happy with themselves.


But they definitely need to make a stand on guarenteed money for the 99% of players who aren't stars.

 

[broncosmitty]

Then here's a thought - go play basketball or baseball.

They don't get fully guaranteed salaries because the chance of injury is far too high - see Todd Gurley. This is called smart business on the owners' parts. NFL players will be hitting $40m per year within the next couple years, so I'm not worried about that part.

Prepare yourself.

 

[wazzu31]

Agree the NFLPA is a fucked up organization, but it's all the players have, and theoretically, with better representation maybe.

NFL is a weird dynamic...the minority (the star players) have the loudest voice, but the smallest headcount when it comes to voting. The players killed or certainly weakened the middle class when they cut the rookie contracts...the top players are and always have been the best paid. The gap is wider now, but rookie contract players are pushing mid level vets out the door early or play for vet league minimum.

It is a fucked labor union and full of idiots at the top which is why this is just posturing. The players will never stand together because the tops are getting paid however many times more than the minimum guys. If the top guys actually cared about solidarity they would take a decent chunk of their salary and put it aside to help the minimum guys survive and not have to cross the picket line. You can’t have solidarity when the top guys only look out for themselves while being cool with just giving scraps to the younger guys.

 

[NinerSickness]

It is a fucked labor union and full of idiots at the top which is why this is just posturing. The players will never stand together because the tops are getting paid however many times more than the minimum guys. If the top guys actually cared about solidarity they would take a decent chunk of their salary and put it aside to help the minimum guys survive and not have to cross the picket line. You can’t have solidarity when the top guys only look out for themselves while being cool with just giving scraps to the younger guys.

All unions f**k over the newbies for the sake of seniority. It’s the nature of what they do.

They’ll come to a deal just like last time. People will scream & piss & moan; every public statement will be hyperbole, and the salary cap will go up by about the same rate it always has. The difference will be negligible one way or the other, and the ca$h cow will continue to graze.

 

[NinerSickness]

Guarenteed contracts.

There will be a strike. Prepare yourself.

Thanks for showing what a drone of a shill you are just parroting the NFLPA talking point. This will be a fun post to bump when it turns out to be 100% derp.

There won’t be a strike. It’ll happen just like last time. They’ll have a lock out in the off-season and suit up for game 1.

NFL players don’t save their money, and the world knows it.

 

[dbldwn711]

Small market teams are raking in cash too. Every team can afford some dead contracts.
People who resolve issues by saying, “Life isn’t fair” are assholes. Let’s work together to make it fair. That’s such a shitty excuse. Some drunk driver paralyzed your cute little girl... oh well, life isn’t fair.
Many football players aren’t millionaires. They play a brutal sport and we don’t give a shit about their lives just as long as they entertain us. It’s a business. In business there are negotiations. It sucks as fans but the players have the right to negotiate a fair deal. Both sides have that right and I don’t understand why people only support the owners rights.

Here’s two more “assholes” according to you...

 

[NFL-Solomon]

Reports coming out of CBS Sports:

NFLPA apparently advising players to plan for an NFL work stoppage of at least one year!



Link posted below:


NFLPA apparently advising players to plan for an NFL work stoppage of at least one year

FALCO! FALCO! FALCO!

 

[ATL96Steeler]

That is so not true.

Lessening the rookie contracts was the best thing the NFLPA has done for the average football player.

There is a ton more money available for the average NFL player.

In 2010 NFL QB's were starting to approach the $20 million a year level. Top paid position players were in the $12-16m range.

Since then the cap has jumped some $60 million a year. Rookie contracts have held steady. And top players aren't making up a ton more than they were back then. They have essentially doubled the middle class pay scale on this current cba....probably more depending on how you define middle class.

Yeah that's what was supposed to happen, but it's not happening like your numbers suggest....just go look at a cap breakdown at a team level...you will find 8 to 10 players in the $8 mil + range, typically your star players on a 2nd contract, then the upper drafted rookie deals and mid level vets around 1 to 3 mil then the guys not making a million per season finish out the 53.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

It is a fucked labor union and full of idiots at the top which is why this is just posturing. The players will never stand together because the tops are getting paid however many times more than the minimum guys. If the top guys actually cared about solidarity they would take a decent chunk of their salary and put it aside to help the minimum guys survive and not have to cross the picket line. You can’t have solidarity when the top guys only look out for themselves while being cool with just giving scraps to the younger guys.

This post is spot on.

The CBA has some issues that need to be fixed imo, but the players could be so much better in house when it comes to top to bottom income...the minimum should be a million for starters. Ability to substantially accelerate a rookie contract when warranted.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

That is so not true.

Lessening the rookie contracts was the best thing the NFLPA has done for the average football player.

There is a ton more money available for the average NFL player.

In 2010 NFL QB's were starting to approach the $20 million a year level. Top paid position players were in the $12-16m range.

Since then the cap has jumped some $60 million a year. Rookie contracts have held steady. And top players aren't making up a ton more than they were back then. They have essentially doubled the middle class pay scale on this current cba....probably more depending on how you define middle class.

I meant to add...if you have followed the cap breakdown over the years you would notice that 4 to 6 mil vet mid level cap hit doesn't exist nearly as much as it did just 5 yrs ago.

 

[Across The Field]

here we go again with the Prescott bashing. Nevermind Prescott has outperformed his contract for 3 years. Based on the following....What exactly do you think Dak should make?

1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
2. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
3. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
4, Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
5. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
6. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 million
7. Raiders QB Derek Carr: $25 million
8. Saints QB Drew Brees: $25 million
9. Colts QB Andrew Luck: $24.6 million
10. Redskins QB Alex Smith: $23.5 million

In his first three years in the NFL, Dak Prescott has 24 games with a passer rating above 100. That's 50% of all games started. Guess how many currently active QBs have a higher percentage?

Just one. Aaron Rodgers (56%).

I'd take all but 3 QBs on that list over Dak. I think $24m is fair. You mention how 50% of his games started, he had a passer rating above 100. What's it tell you that he's had a passer rating under 100 in 2 of his 3 seasons, and his career passer rating is under 100? When he's good, he's good. When he's bad, he's awful.

 

[Thruthefog]

No one could be THAT stupid to sit out a year for the insane money these guys make......

LeVeon Bell says hello.

 

[Pure Steel]

LeVeon Bell says hello.

Someone got it.....

 

[ATL96Steeler]

LeVeon Bell says hello.

You have to add...he was franchised the yr before and decided then he would bank his money in case he was tagged again.

 

[ducky]

Yeah that's what was supposed to happen, but it's not happening like your numbers suggest....just go look at a cap breakdown at a team level...you will find 8 to 10 players in the $8 mil + range, typically your star players on a 2nd contract, then the upper drafted rookie deals and mid level vets around 1 to 3 mil then the guys not making a million per season finish out the 53.

That 8-10 players making $8 plus a year is exactly what I am talking about. THat is the leagues middle class. You average NFL starter.

Most every team only has a 2-3 stars. That's the leagues upper class. That group is being paid more than they were a decade ago....but the rise is gigantic.

And 10 years ago, rosters are exactly like they are now. Teams have 30-35 players playing under rookie deals (the last 4 draft classes).

It is those average vet starters who are now worth $4-$10m whereas 10 years ago that group was lucky to be earning anything close to $2M. That is where this cba shifted the dollars to....and rightfully so.

 

[jarntt]

That’s soooo wrong Jarntt. The players don’t have any say in dividing the billions upon billions they rake in. You think the owners get all the say and if the players don’t like it... just replace them. Damn bro.

Like every Company everywhere. Owners start it up, take the risk and reap the rewards. If the players don't like their salaries or their jobs they can look elsewhere for work just like the rest of us. I think what they are paid is more than fair already and I have no sympathy for them.

At the same time I applaud any of them that feels it's not a good deal for them and wants to leave for another field. I guess sooner or later that may happen, or maybe not...So I guess it is a pretty damn good deal for them