Possible Lockout for the NFL during the 2021 season?

[Across The Field]

Agree 100% with the bold. Never understood why it's always the athletes who get singled out for the money they make. Why we have to hear how an athlete can be paid millions (or tens of millions) more than a teacher.

Maybe it's because 50,000 people wont pay $100 or so each to watch a teacher teach, or because networks wont pay in the billions to broadcast the classes?

As you point out why not the actor or, hell, Oprah, who makes far more than most (all?) athletes? And here's a flash. .......Many athletes could be taught how to be an actor or talk show host. No way in hell anyone is teaching Oprah to be a world class athlete.

What you're describing is the free market. People who have a product to sell get paid for it when they strive for it. I'm honestly not sure what Oprah or actors have to do with NFL contracts when it's two very different industries in the way they function.

 

[dtgold88]

What you're describing is the free market. People who have a product to sell get paid for it when they strive for it. I'm honestly not sure what Oprah or actors have to do with NFL contracts when it's two very different industries in the way they function.

I'm just talking in general terms in the way the public views them. I get they are part of a union and have salary "rules".

Point was you could teach some athletes to host a talk show. No chance you could teach Oprah to be an athlete.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm just talking in general terms in the way the public views them. I get they are part of a union and have salary "rules".

Point was you could teach some athletes to host a talk show. No chance you could teach Oprah to be an athlete.

100% agree, but Oprah isn't just a regular talk show host. There's a reason why Oprah is worth $2.6 billion and Ricki Lake is worth $16 million.

 

[dtgold88]

100% agree, but Oprah isn't just a regular talk show host. There's a reason why Oprah is worth $2.6 billion and Ricki Lake is worth $16 million.

Fair point.

 

[wazzu31]

Even though the NFLPA is headed by giant pussies, would anyone actually side with the players if they went on strike? Every time they have negotiated since FA they have looked out for only the top stars by destroying the middle class of NFL players. Then bitch and sue over concussions but players don’t feel like doing their duty to help those who paved the way. Fuck the NFLPA.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

He's only had one high-end year. I'm aware he's been in the league two years, but his first year was far from some explosion. The league is quite alright with it because he's under a rookie contract. It looks like he very well may outplay his rookie contract, which means his next contract is going to likely be north of $20m per year. But for every Juju, a 2nd rounder who outplays his contract, there are 15-20 guys who underperform relative to their 2nd round pay.

You're mentioning two guys who are extremely well established actors. Of course they're making $20m per movie now. Do you think they were making that much their 2nd year as actors? They also don't have a contract like pro athletes do, which is why so many actors flame out after making a movie or two.

Maybe 10% are playing well below their pay, but to be fair, do you think there are more than 10% of guys playing well above their pay? I'd probably say those two lists are similar in size.

You're right about there maybe being 10,000 people who can do your job. That said, millions of fans aren't spending thousands of dollars every year to watch you do your job.

I'm not trying to digress on Juju, just a quick example of a player outperforming his contract. That 2nd round draft pick that's under performing will be released if his game doesn't measure up so the team always has an "out" when they want you out.

I'm not much of a movie buff, so I gave you some popular names, but I'm quite sure I can a couple who are not as well known...the point is it's entertainment, different from sports of course, but we really don't care how much they make.

On your final point...you hit the nail on the head...that's why it makes little sense to equate how much we make relative to a pro athlete...there's is a very small pool of talent at that level. There's a reason not many people wanted to see the scabs play in the NFL, there's a reason secondary pro football leagues have struggled to survive...we want to see the best.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Even though the NFLPA is headed by giant pussies, would anyone actually side with the players if they went on strike? Every time they have negotiated since FA they have looked out for only the top stars by destroying the middle class of NFL players. Then bitch and sue over concussions but players don’t feel like doing their duty to help those who paved the way. Fuck the NFLPA.

Agree the NFLPA is a fucked up organization, but it's all the players have, and theoretically, with better representation maybe.

NFL is a weird dynamic...the minority (the star players) have the loudest voice, but the smallest headcount when it comes to voting. The players killed or certainly weakened the middle class when they cut the rookie contracts...the top players are and always have been the best paid. The gap is wider now, but rookie contract players are pushing mid level vets out the door early or play for vet league minimum.

 

[Judge Fudge]

What I'm hearing the most.

• players prefer a committee to decide player discipline...i.e. reduce the power of the commissioner
• revisit the Franchise Tag control
• bigger slice of the pie, currently getting less than 50% (reportedly 48.5%)
• more guaranteed money
• a segment wants to see pot taken off the banned list.

I need someone who is a hockey fan to help me with a part.

I agree with the committee on player discipline. They can use something from the NHL called "Department of Player Safety". It basically looks at questionable hits and lays punishments if needed ( I need a hand to figure out if player Safety is a committee).

The only issues ( IMO) are player Safety are

- There stacked against repeat offenders ( see Tom Wilson, Brad Marchand etc.)

- They can lieniant on certain suspension worthy hits( Charlie McAvoy on Josh Anderson gets 1 game).

 

[Judge Fudge]

Franchise tag I think is going to be the biggest issue. Pot will be done before then. Goodell needs to have less power, it needs to be a 3 person hearing committee and hte NFLPA has a permanent seat on it.

Players should push for only allowing one Franchise tag per player per team. So if you tag a guy you can't tag him again, but if he goes to a new team the tag is on the table again. Won't likely ever come up as an option though. Teams should be rewarded for drafting well though, so perhaps the answer is all draft picks have a 5th year team option. Then you hit URFA unless you are the tagged player. No more RFA, transition tag, any of that stuff. Remove the restriction on when you can sign an extension, but on the flip side sitting out mandatory practices or games while under contract requires missing the checks plus a prorated part of any already paid signing bonus. Hit these guys not just on future earnings but what they already most likely spent. Of course the players won't go for all of that without one thing...full guaranteed contracts.

I'd go 11 person 4 owners, 4 players or PA representatives and 3 from any area of law enforcement.

Majority rules( needs to be 6). There should be 2 representatives from each all 3 sides to be substitutes if there is a conflict of interest or an prior engagement( ie business meeting, doctors appointments etc.)

 

[dbldwn711]

I'm not trying to digress on Juju, just a quick example of a player outperforming his contract. That 2nd round draft pick that's under performing will be released if his game doesn't measure up so the team always has an "out" when they want you out.

I'm not much of a movie buff, so I gave you some popular names, but I'm quite sure I can a couple who are not as well known...the point is it's entertainment, different from sports of course, but we really don't care how much they make.

On your final point...you hit the nail on the head...that's why it makes little sense to equate how much we make relative to a pro athlete...there's is a very small pool of talent at that level. There's a reason not many people wanted to see the scabs play in the NFL, there's a reason secondary pro football leagues have struggled to survive...we want to see the best.

But a portion of that “under performing contract” was guaranteed. That means he got more than he’s worth. I’m failing to see the point you’re trying to make.

 

[DrewScott]

what happens when Aaron Rodgers and Russel Wilson and Pat Mahomes, and Matt Ryan,and all the guys who already have huge contracts say " I'm not going on strike,I'm happy" ?

 

[Jikkle]

Doubtful that players get any more money than what their current trajectory is.

I could see them arguing for a higher spending floor which could give the middle class players more money.

They could argue for the franchise tagged system to be reworked but the problem is the franchise tag only impacts the a very small minority of the overall players and that small minority getting the tag makes them very rich so the majority of the players aren't going to let that be a sticking point when it comes to a contract.

Probably could get a disciplinary committee as the owners would probably like move on from all the bad PR Goodell brings the NFL with his decisions since they tend to always have some group pissed when it comes to his judgments.

I can see them working out a far more lax stance on weed as well. They have to be tired of dealing with it but I can't see them completely unbanning it but making it super easy for players to exceptions for pain management. That way to the public they can say they don't support a bunch of stoners but people that need it medically.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

But a portion of that “under performing contract” was guaranteed. That means he got more than he’s worth. I’m failing to see the point you’re trying to make.

At this point we're best to move on then.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I need someone who is a hockey fan to help me with a part.

I agree with the committee on player discipline. They can use something from the NHL called "Department of Player Safety". It basically looks at questionable hits and lays punishments if needed ( I need a hand to figure out if player Safety is a committee).

The only issues ( IMO) are player Safety are

- There stacked against repeat offenders ( see Tom Wilson, Brad Marchand etc.)

- They can lieniant on certain suspension worthy hits( Charlie McAvoy on Josh Anderson gets 1 game).

One point to show there are better options than judge, and jury in the same body.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

IDK...the players do want to see pot taken off the banned list, but also they want to reduce Goodell's' power, the Franchise tag reworked, and get more guaranteed money.

I"m all for reducing Goodell's power, that would be great for the league...

 

[PDay8810]

zero chance these guys sit out a year....hell, in 5 years more than 50% are out of the league.

They should get insurance after their playing days for more than 5 years.
They should get pot off the banned substance list
They should get a committee on player discipline.

 

[PDay8810]

When a guy like Dak Prescott is being talked about as a $30mm a year guy, the players have more than plenty.

here we go again with the Prescott bashing. Nevermind Prescott has outperformed his contract for 3 years. Based on the following....What exactly do you think Dak should make?

1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
2. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
3. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
4, Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
5. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
6. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 million
7. Raiders QB Derek Carr: $25 million
8. Saints QB Drew Brees: $25 million
9. Colts QB Andrew Luck: $24.6 million
10. Redskins QB Alex Smith: $23.5 million

In his first three years in the NFL, Dak Prescott has 24 games with a passer rating above 100. That's 50% of all games started. Guess how many currently active QBs have a higher percentage?

Just one. Aaron Rodgers (56%).

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Agree 100% with the bold. Never understood why it's always the athletes who get singled out for the money they make. Why we have to hear how an athlete can be paid millions (or tens of millions) more than a teacher.

Maybe it's because 50,000 people wont pay $100 or so each to watch a teacher teach, or because networks wont pay in the billions to broadcast the classes?

As you point out why not the actor or, hell, Oprah, who makes far more than most (all?) athletes? And here's a flash. .......Many athletes could be taught how to be an actor or talk show host. No way in hell anyone is teaching Oprah to be a world class athlete.

One million percent correct. The players generate billions. The want a piece of that and so do the owners. Why is it only the players get called greedy. The owners equally share the “greedy” title but only the players get labeled that.
The common man says “I wish I got paid 2 million a year” and I get that. But this is a capitalistic society. No one bitches Oprah is a billionaire for “talking on TV”. No one bitches Will Ferrell make 12 million a flick (and the dude isn’t even funny). But some reason we are only pissed at athletes. Never understood why?

 

[dbldwn711]

One million percent correct. The players generate billions. The want a piece of that and so do the owners. Why is it only the players get called greedy. The owners equally share the “greedy” title but only the players get labeled that.
The common man says “I wish I got paid 2 million a year” and I get that. But this is a capitalistic society. No one bitches Oprah is a billionaire for “talking on TV”. No one bitches Will Ferrell make 12 million a flick (and the dude isn’t even funny). But some reason we are only pissed at athletes. Never understood why?

Because Oprah and Will Ferrell don’t constantly complain that they are underpaid or being fucked over

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Because Oprah and Will Ferrell don’t constantly complain that they are underpaid or being fucked over

This has to do with guaranteed money... something Oprah and Ferrell don’t have to worry about because they don’t have violent jobs. The players aren’t bitching about more money so you’re wrong. And you have no idea if those two bitch about money while negotiating their contracts