Current HOF players

[Across The Field]

I do not know anyone who would agree that he was a top 3 QB in any season he played in. You are basing it totally on stats. You have to watch the games man.

Yeah how stupid am I to look at a guy that's top 10 in several major QB metrics and think he's HOF worthy. Give me a break. It's a team game, and unfortunately he's not been on a good team for the majority of his career, but it hasn't kept him from putting up consistently fantastic numbers for over a decade now. If he was only top 10 in one category and it was strictly quantitative, you'd have a point. When you're also top 10 in qualitative stats like QB rating, comp%, and YPA, you're a HOFer.

 

[Across The Field]

Those career numbers are somewhat impressive. The problem is, he's behind a lot of guys in his own era. Generally, the only two retired guys that are still up there are Marino and Favre (I don't consider P. Manning, because Rivers' career greatly overlaps his).

Then you have a lot of guys who are starting their careers more recently, whom will enjoy even more of an advantage when it comes to the rules, and when a lot of those guys retire, their numbers will be better + they may have postseason/SB success that greatly adds to their legacy.

Someone like Ken Anderson deserves to be in HOF before guys like Ryan or Rivers....and he still waits.

The only reason Rivers is considered to be behind some guys - not a lot - in his own era is because he doesn't have a SB ring. If Tom Brady or Brett Favre played on the Chargers, they wouldn't have rings either. It's been a wildly inconsistent franchise with terrible ownership and under-performing FO staffers.

And why does Ken Anderson deserve to get in? What's the even based on?

 

[rmilia1]

There are only 26 QBs from the modern era in the HOF. There is no way 7-8 current or recently retired QBs get in. Right now, 4 tops.

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
P. Manning

The counter to that is that BECAUSE of the rule changes over the last 15 years the QB position is now much much more valuable than it was in the 60s-90s. I think everyone would agree that now you almost always need a great QB to compete over an extended period of time . That wasn't always true in those decades . You could win SBs and be in the mix consistently with a great running game and defense .

 

[kburjr]

The counter to that is that BECAUSE of the rule changes over the last 15 years the QB position is now much much more valuable than it was in the 60s-90s. I think everyone would agree that now you almost always need a great QB to compete over an extended period of time . That wasn't always true in those decades . You could win SBs and be in the mix consistently with a great running game and defense .

I would disagree with your assessment. (Bradshaw excepted). The thing I am pointing out is that from any era only the top 2-3 QBs have made the HOF. 26 out of how many that have played. To think that there are 7-8 HOF worthy QBs in the last 15 years is called recency bias.

 

[rmilia1]

I would disagree with your assessment. (Bradshaw excepted). The thing I am pointing out is that from any era only the top 2-3 QBs have made the HOF. 26 out of how many that have played. To think that there are 7-8 HOF worthy QBs in the last 15 years is called recency bias.

I guess I don't get what your saying . There are 26 modern era QBS in the hall . So basically 1 every 1.5-2 years so you don't think 7-8 guys from the past 18 years can get in? These guys aren't all coming up at the same time. Marino , Elway , Montana , Young , Kelly , Moon , Aikman , Favre all started their careers witjon the same time frame the guys we are talking about here .

 

[rmilia1]

Something else to remember is that because QBs are playing so much longer now you'll inevitably end up with more HoFers playing at the same time . The last 3 QBs to get in are Warner , Young and Kelly . Only 1 of those guys played post 2000 meaning itll be 1 QB in 20 years getting in the Hall before Peyton comes up. So if 1 guy gets in every 2 years ( on average ) that means the average number of HoFers still currently playing would be 8.

 

[kburjr]

I guess I don't get what your saying . There are 26 modern era QBS in the hall . So basically 1 every 1.5-2 years so you don't think 7-8 guys from the past 18 years can get in? These guys aren't all coming up at the same time. Marino , Elway , Montana , Young , Kelly , Moon , Aikman , Favre all started their careers witjon the same time frame the guys we are talking about here .

The 26 QBs to back to the Otto Graham days. Early 1950s.

 

[rmilia1]

The 26 QBs to back to the Otto Graham days. Early 1950s.

Yeah but the guys we are talking about started playing early 2000s and aren't eligible yet as they're all still playing other than ( Manning , Warner ) so you're talking 25 ( discounting g Warner as he's in already) from the 50s to early 2000s. Thats one every 1.8 years . Basically since Brady/Brees started we SHOULD have 8-9 guys currently playing who will make the Hall if the numbers stay the same

So you've got 4 locks ( Brady , Brees , Ben, AR ) but the average tells you that 4 of the other 28 guys currently playing QB are going to get in too. As I said it's not like Brady and Wilson are going to be on the same ballot

 

[Manster7588]

There are only 26 QBs from the modern era in the HOF. There is no way 7-8 current or recently retired QBs get in. Right now, 4 tops.

Brady
Rodgers
Brees
P. Manning

I'll add Eli and Ben to the list. Without the Lombardi's Eli is out, but Ben would still be close.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'll add Eli and Ben to the list. Without the Lombardi's Eli is out, but Ben would still be close.

Those 2 will definitely be in. Then as of right now there are a lot of guys we have to wait and see on.

Rivers - 37 years old
Ryan - 34 years old

Only 2 guys I could see possibly getting in eventually. Russell Wilson is still too young to even be talked about. Both those guys are questionable at this point though.

 

[kburjr]

The Hall opened in 1962. 9 QBs were selected by 1967. Now we are down to 17 in 52 years. Hell, they went from 2007 through 2015 with no QBs selected. The HOF is a select group of the best of the best during the era the players played. #8 of 32 is not elite.

 

[Across The Field]

I would disagree with your assessment. (Bradshaw excepted). The thing I am pointing out is that from any era only the top 2-3 QBs have made the HOF. 26 out of how many that have played. To think that there are 7-8 HOF worthy QBs in the last 15 years is called recency bias.

Or, it's the direction the NFL has headed. There are 32 RBs from the modern era in the HOF compared to 26 QBs. I could easily see that number shift strongly over the next 5-7 years.

Think about the RBs to have played since Rivers began his career in 2004. How many of them are going into the HOF? AP is a lock, but after him, who is there? Gore, McCoy, Charles maybe? I could easily see there be a run on QBs inducted into the HOF simply because we've been in a 15-year window with some of the best QB play we've ever seen. Of course it's because NFL teams have emphasized the position, but that doesn't mean these guys don't deserve it.

 

[rmilia1]

The Hall opened in 1962. 9 QBs were selected by 1967. Now we are down to 17 in 52 years. Hell, they went from 2007 through 2015 with no QBs selected. The HOF is a select group of the best of the best during the era the players played. #8 of 32 is not elite.

You're missing my point though . All the guys playing QB are always St different stages of their careers. We almost always have 8+ future Hall of Fame QBs playing at the same time. We just may not recognize them as such at that moment . If we had posted this is 2006 how many people would've had Brees and Rodgers as Hall of Famers . In 2001 how many would've had Warner? In 89 how many would've had Moon, Young , Aikman?

And all those were when QBs traditionally retired in their mid to late 30s. Now guys are playing til their 40s which means you'll have even more guys from RIGHT now make the Hall .

 

[kburjr]

Or, it's the direction the NFL has headed. There are 32 RBs from the modern era in the HOF compared to 26 QBs. I could easily see that number shift strongly over the next 5-7 years.

Think about the RBs to have played since Rivers began his career in 2004. How many of them are going into the HOF? AP is a lock, but after him, who is there? Gore, McCoy, Charles maybe? I could easily see there be a run on QBs inducted into the HOF simply because we've been in a 15-year window with some of the best QB play we've ever seen. Of course it's because NFL teams have emphasized the position, but that doesn't mean these guys don't deserve it.

I guess we see the HOF differently. IMO, if your aren't in the Top 10% while you played, you don't belong in the Hall. Similar to baseball. There are more home runs being hit in the last 20 years than ever before. Hitting 500 home runs is not a sure thing to get into the Baseball HOF anymore.

 

[kburjr]

You're missing my point though . All the guys playing QB are always St different stages of their careers. We almost always have 8+ future Hall of Fame QBs playing at the same time. We just may not recognize them as such at that moment . If we had posted this is 2006 how many people would've had Brees and Rodgers as Hall of Famers . In 2001 how many would've had Warner? In 89 how many would've had Moon, Young , Aikman?

And all those were when QBs traditionally retired in their mid to late 30s. Now guys are playing til their 40s which means you'll have even more guys from RIGHT now make the Hall .

Also to be factored in is that the Hall inducts a maximum of 7 players per year. Sometimes only 6. Maybe all these guys make the Hall, I doubt it though. There are other positions to be considered.

 

[Manster7588]

You're missing my point though . All the guys playing QB are always St different stages of their careers. We almost always have 8+ future Hall of Fame QBs playing at the same time. We just may not recognize them as such at that moment . If we had posted this is 2006 how many people would've had Brees and Rodgers as Hall of Famers . In 2001 how many would've had Warner? In 89 how many would've had Moon, Young , Aikman?

And all those were when QBs traditionally retired in their mid to late 30s. Now guys are playing til their 40s which means you'll have even more guys from RIGHT now make the Hall .

Just collecting numbers won't put one into the HOF.

 

[Across The Field]

I guess we see the HOF differently. IMO, if your aren't in the Top 10% while you played, you don't belong in the Hall. Similar to baseball. There are more home runs being hit in the last 20 years than ever before. Hitting 500 home runs is not a sure thing to get into the Baseball HOF anymore.

Neither is just throwing for a ton of yards. Rivers, however, is top 10 all-time in many different metrics, both qualitative and quantitative. That gets you in.

The number of elite players in the era you play in is irrelevant. Basically all you are saying is that it's impossible for there to be a certain amount of elite players, and that just makes no sense.

 

[Pure Steel]

Just collecting numbers won't put one into the HOF.

Achoo....Vinny Testaverde.....

 

[kburjr]

Neither is just throwing for a ton of yards. Rivers, however, is top 10 all-time in many different metrics, both qualitative and quantitative. That gets you in.

The number of elite players in the era you play in is irrelevant. Basically all you are saying is that it's impossible for there to be a certain amount of elite players, and that just makes no sense.

Not exactly. What I am saying is that there are very few spots and quarterback is not the only position. How many defensive lineman are better at their job that River is at his. Safeties? Linebackers? O-lineman? Tht all must be considered.

 

[rmilia1]

Just collecting numbers won't put one into the HOF.

Not generally although it certainly has in some instances but thats not my point . I'm just pointing out that the odds tell us ( looking at history ) that there are 8-9 guts currently playing QB who are going to be in the Hall . In the 18 years since Brady and Brees came into rve league we should CURRENTLY have 6-7 other guts playing the position who will get in