Current HOF players

[rmilia1]

Not really strong era's. It's more the quality and stats of positions of different era's. It's one of those things were if you were talking with fellow football fans and asked the question - You are the top QB's right now? How would you expect the answers to go. Rivers, Eli and Ryan would not be in many of the answers. Brady, Mahomes, Brees and Rodgers would probably be the most chosen. For Ben, it's his 3 Superbowls and 2 Superbowl wins that push him into the HOF. Without those, he would be on the wrong side of borderline.

Sure but that's my point . When you're discussing eras you need to have a set guideline . Like Mahomes is going to play 15 years minimum after those other guys are done . Then you take guys like Ryan or Rivers who may not be in anyone's top 3 right now but certainly have been in specific 1-2 year time frames so what's the time requirement ? It's too convoluted if you don't set specific time guidelines imo. I go 5 years because that's the same time span as the Hall waiting period but you could go a year shorter I think ( anything longer is too much imo)

 

[SteelersPride]

Sure but that's my point . When you're discussing eras you need to have a set guideline . Like Mahomes is going to play 15 years minimum after those other guys are done . Then you take guys like Ryan or Rivers who may not be in anyone's top 3 right now but certainly have been in specific 1-2 year time frames so what's the time requirement ? It's too convoluted if you don't set specific time guidelines imo. I go 5 years because that's the same time span as the Hall waiting period but you could go a year shorter I think ( anything longer is too much imo)

So because his peers blow, Ryan gets in?

 

[rmilia1]

So because his peers blow, Ryan gets in?

No you still gotta have the numbers and accomplishments but it's disingenuous to say a guy drafted in 2012 is in the same era as a guy drafted in 2004 for the sole purpose of saying "he's not as good as those guys have been !!" . Well no shit he's played 8 years less lol. You gotta stack guys up against those who have played roughly the equivalent amount of time if you're going to use "eras " as a talking point .

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Dillon - No.
Ken Anderson, Willie Anderson and Ken Riley were all underrated but Riley should be the only one that could be HOF imo. But you gotta add Lemar Parrish to that conversation too then.

Well add Parrish then too. lol Riley had 65 career interceptions, and had like 8 or 9 INT..something like that in his last season as a what, 35 or 36 year old in the mid 80's?

 

[Myles]

Sure but that's my point . When you're discussing eras you need to have a set guideline . Like Mahomes is going to play 15 years minimum after those other guys are done . Then you take guys like Ryan or Rivers who may not be in anyone's top 3 right now but certainly have been in specific 1-2 year time frames so what's the time requirement ? It's too convoluted if you don't set specific time guidelines imo. I go 5 years because that's the same time span as the Hall waiting period but you could go a year shorter I think ( anything longer is too much imo)

The era's don't really matter. It is how you were viewed against the players who played at the same time. Maholmes was a top 3 (maybe best) QB last season. If he is considered a top 3 QB for several more seasons over the course of his career, he'll be a HOF'er. It doesn't matter what era P. Manning played in, he was a top 3 QB nearly every season he played.
This is all just my preference. I understand that they are going to take stats into account quite a bit. I would just prefer them to not use as much as they tend to do. Sure Rivers has great stats in yardage and TD's, but when you break it down to seasons, he's not a top guy in the time he is playing. QB rating is flawed, I admit, but it gives an OK overview. The past 8 years, Rivers was ranked the following in QB rating:
5
9
19
12
12
4
11
11

 

[SteelersPride]

No you still gotta have the numbers and accomplishments but it's disingenuous to say a guy drafted in 2012 is in the same era as a guy drafted in 2004 for the sole purpose of saying "he's not as good as those guys have been !!" . Well no shit he's played 8 years less lol. You gotta stack guys up against those who have played roughly the equivalent amount of time if you're going to use "eras " as a talking point .

Circles

 

[Myles]

No you still gotta have the numbers and accomplishments but it's disingenuous to say a guy drafted in 2012 is in the same era as a guy drafted in 2004 for the sole purpose of saying "he's not as good as those guys have been !!" . Well no shit he's played 8 years less lol. You gotta stack guys up against those who have played roughly the equivalent amount of time if you're going to use "eras " as a talking point .

However, if the QB was not a top 3 in the league against those guys and still isn't top 3 against other QB's too, it is a relevant argument against him.

 

[rmilia1]

Circles

How so ? Seems pretty clear cut to me . Judging a guy like Wilson or Luck vs Ben, Rodgers , Rivers right now is to different than judging Ryan vs Brees or Brady and that goes back til the start of the Hall . You want a fair comp but if your time frame gets too nig you can't accurately rate guys in "their era ".

 

[SteelersPride]

How so ? Seems pretty clear cut to me . Judging a guy like Wilson or Luck vs Ben, Rodgers , Rivers right now is to different than judging Ryan vs Brees or Brady and that goes back til the start of the Hall . You want a fair comp but if your time frame gets too nig you can't accurately rate guys in "their era ".

But ur judging Ryan vs 2006-2010 as Uve stated

 

[Tapey]

ALL CURRENT PLAYERS

LOCKS OR CLOSE TO IT

Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Adrian Peterson
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Larry Fitzgerald
Antonio Gates
Rob Gronkowski
Jason Peters
Jason Witten
JJ Watt
Julius Peppers
Antonio Brown
Adam Vinatieri
Earl Thomas
Eli Manning (they will put him in even though I don't believe he should)

ON TRACK OR TOO EARLY TO SAY

Eric Berry
A.J. Green
DeAndre Hopkins
Julio Jones
Luke Kuechly
Patrick Peterson
Matt Ryan
Tyron Smith
Ndamukong Suh
Bobby Wagner
Russell Wilson
Aaron Donald
Terrell Suggs - I think he is most likely getting in

ON THE OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW

Frank Gore
Philip Rivers
Marshawn Lynch
Clay Matthews
LeSean McCoy
Haloti Ngata
Greg Olsen

PLAYERS THAT JUST RETIRED IN THE LAST YEAR THAT ARE LOCKS

Richard Sherman
Joe Thomas
Darrelle Revis
Dwight Freeney



**Other great players not listed are either just too young or too early in their career to even list

Wait, Sherman retired?

 

[rmilia1]

But ur judging Ryan vs 2006-2010 as Uve stated

That's just the era I put him in based on when he was drafted . If you prefer 04-08 to include Ben, Rivers , Eli and Rodgers he's still going to end with better raw numbers than all them and at worst you'd put him 3rd or 4th best on that list by eye test right ? So either way he fits the "you gotta be top 3 or 4 in your era" debate . It's only when you include guys drafted 7 years before him does he drop to 5 or 6

 

[SteelersPride]

That's just the era I put him in based on when he was drafted . If you prefer 04-08 to include Ben, Rivers , Eli and Rodgers he's still going to end with better raw numbers than all them and at worst you'd put him 3rd or 4th best on that list by eye test right ? So either way he fits the "you gotta be top 3 or 4 in your era" debate . It's only when you include guys drafted 7 years before him does he drop to 5 or 6

Ur basing things solely on numbers as welL. I mean seriously you hve typed paragraph after paragraph for days. You have flipped no one

 

[rmilia1]

Ur basing things solely on numbers as welL. I mean seriously you hve typed paragraph after paragraph for days. You have flipped no one

Lol mo I'm not . I've included accomplishments ( MVP and Super Bowl appearance ) as well. I'm not trying to "flip anyone ". I'm just giving my opinion and reasoning over and over to the 7 people who keep replying . Nothing anyone says here will impact the final tally

 

[SteelersPride]

Super bowl appearances matter? Or one? Kaep?

 

[rmilia1]

Super bowl appearances matter? Or one? Kaep?

None of the people we are discussing here careers are over . The Hall requires great numbers AND personal / team accomplishments . If you're packing in one area you need to make up for it in another . At least as a QB. Team accomplishments are irrelevant at other positions

 

[SteelersPride]

None of the people we are discussing here careers are over . The Hall requires great numbers AND personal / team accomplishments . If you're packing in one area you need to make up for it in another . At least as a QB. Team accomplishments are irrelevant at other positions

Oh

 

[Shanemansj13]

Well add Parrish then too. lol Riley had 65 career interceptions, and had like 8 or 9 INT..something like that in his last season as a what, 35 or 36 year old in the mid 80's?

Yeah not sure how he never made a PB. Blows my mind

 

[GNG]

Dalton completes 62% Ryan 65%, Ryan averages 400 yards more per year , 8 TDs more per year , throws 25% less ints per pass, has a QB rating 7 points higher , has better YPA and he's performed far better in the playoffs .

You guys are getting more and more ridiculous .

Homer.

 

[Shanemansj13]

The era's don't really matter. It is how you were viewed against the players who played at the same time. Maholmes was a top 3 (maybe best) QB last season. If he is considered a top 3 QB for several more seasons over the course of his career, he'll be a HOF'er. It doesn't matter what era P. Manning played in, he was a top 3 QB nearly every season he played.
This is all just my preference. I understand that they are going to take stats into account quite a bit. I would just prefer them to not use as much as they tend to do. Sure Rivers has great stats in yardage and TD's, but when you break it down to seasons, he's not a top guy in the time he is playing. QB rating is flawed, I admit, but it gives an OK overview. The past 8 years, Rivers was ranked the following in QB rating:
5
9
19
12
12
4
11
11

Lets do Matt Ryan compared to Rivers just for this stat:

7
5
1
6
8
9
4
6
5

Judging by this stat Matt Ryan is WAY better.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Wait, Sherman retired?

Whoops...I think he would be on that second tier then "ON TRACK OR TOO EARLY TO SAY"