Bucks offseason possibilities

[buckalis]

The Mavs (possible but the WC is stacked) and Grizzlies (LOL)? The Pels?



Making guarantees there.....LOL.

I perhaps forgot to mention the Kings too...

 

[Wamu]

The other thing a troll does is denying that the definition of what a troll is was stated... Now don't insist I called you a troll too, because I didn't... The third thing a troll does, is cutting a phrase so that he alters the meaning... For instance, my phrase was: "The only thing a troll like you ever does, is inventing proposals and put them on the other's mouth... which if read in English has a totally different meaning that what you claim I ever said... Off course you guys are not trolls... you only do exactly what trolls are doing...

Do you mental problems? You start your comment off by saying don't insist you called me troll. The thing is I've insisted nothing. Then you end your comment by calling me a troll because I called you out for being wrong.

So your game in the NBA threads will be to call anyone trolls when they either disagree w/ you or call you out for trying to deny something you've actually said.

This is gonna be entertaining.

 

[Wamu]

Calls someone a troll

Denies calling someone a troll.

Is shown the very post quoting him calling someone a troll.

Quotes the same post where he called someone a troll and still denies calling someone a troll.

Fucking priceless.

All I can say is get that popcorn machine warmed up. This has the makings of some really funny stuff.

I wonder if buckalis is related to this fatass ninja lawyer?

 

[Wamu]

@Mecca & @LAD


You don't wanna miss this.

 

[trojanfan12]

All I can say is get that popcorn machine warmed up. This has the makings of some really funny stuff.

I wonder if buckalis is related to this fatass ninja lawyer?

Had forgotten about him. Very similar posting style.

@broncosmitty we need a ruling here.

 

[Wamu]

Had forgotten about him. Very similar posting style.

@broncosmitty we need a ruling here.

Next that new guy will be preaching about the dangers of the PCP laced devils weed. Because like Thumper said over & over all the Sticky Icky is sprayed w/ PCP right after drying. And that's why I no longer smoke that evil stuff.

 

[trojanfan12]

Next that new guy will be preaching about the dangers of the PCP laced devils weed. Because like Thumper said over & over all the Sticky Icky is sprayed w/ PCP right after drying. And that's why I no longer smoke that evil stuff.

Interesting. That's WHY I smoke that evil stuff.

 

[Wamu]

Interesting. That's WHY I smoke that evil stuff.

Like we talked about before I just got tired of the inhaling. I even have a digital vaporizer. I've been thinking about picking up some greenery lately though. Heard that Willie Nelson's strain Willie's Reserve is currently in Denver. Sadly both places I called were sold out. But it's still mainly edibles right now.

 

[tlance]

The other thing a troll does is denying that the definition of 'what a troll is" was stated... Now don't insist I called you a troll too, because I didn't... The third thing a troll does, is cutting a phrase so that he alters the meaning... For instance, my phrase was: "The only thing a troll like you ever does, is inventing proposals and put them on the other's mouth... which if read in English has a totally different meaning that what you claim I ever said... Off course you guys are not trolls... you only do exactly what trolls are doing...

Interesting.

You must live in an alternate reality. It was very clear I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was making fun of you and your ridiculous homer trade ideas.

Please enlighten me then.

How in the hell are the Bucks going to trade for Paul George?

You yourself even said that the reason OKC would trade George is for tax savings.

So what fantasy world trade package is going to simultaneously compensate OKC for Paul George (who is 1 of 3 MVP finalists, by the way) and also provide cap savings to the Thunder?

This is going to be great.

 

[Wamu]

Interesting.

You must live in an alternate reality. It was very clear I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was making fun of you and your ridiculous homer trade ideas.

Please enlighten me then.

How in the hell are the Bucks going to trade for Paul George?

You yourself even said that the reason OKC would trade George is for tax savings.

So what fantasy world trade package is going to simultaneously compensate OKC for Paul George (who is 1 of 3 MVP finalists, by the way) and also provide cap savings to the Thunder?

This is going to be great.

How in the hell are the Bucks going to trade for Paul George? How the hell do I know? But I'll take a helluva guess. On someones video game system?

 

[buckalis]

Do you mental problems? You start your comment off by saying don't insist you called me troll. The thing is I've insisted nothing. Then you end your comment by calling me a troll because I called you out for being wrong.

So your game in the NBA threads will be to call anyone trolls when they either disagree w/ you or call you out for trying to deny something you've actually said.

This is gonna be entertaining.

Interesting.

You must live in an alternate reality. It was very clear I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was making fun of you and your ridiculous homer trade ideas.

Please enlighten me then.

How in the hell are the Bucks going to trade for Paul George?

You yourself even said that the reason OKC would trade George is for tax savings.

So what fantasy world trade package is going to simultaneously compensate OKC for Paul George (who is 1 of 3 MVP finalists, by the way) and also provide cap savings to the Thunder?

This is going to be great.

To start with... OKC will be looking to move below the lux tax this season and that can be achieved only if they can save some 20M off their current salaries... But is not achievable under the CBA 125% rule, so they have to find a way to overcome this...

The Bucks do have the solution they need, if they can achieve a deal that includes George Hill in a "sign and trade"... Because George Hill's contract is the best contract currently in the entire league... (second better being J.R. Smith's contract, which is of much the same provisions, but of much higher guaranteed salary -3.8M instead of only 1M on Hill's- and lower value -15.7M than 18M on Hill)...

Therefore if Hill agrees to sign a 5-6M new contract and is moved on a "sign and trade"... His value on a trade will be some 12-13M over the salary the other team will have to write in their books and then the rest of the amount OKC will want to save, will be easily achievable by having less value of income salaries, than the outcome value under the 125% rule...

Now OKC would of course much prefer to move Westbrook's contract, than George's one, but other than Westbrook's contract being far less desirable (the Bucks are certainly not interested on him or his contract - I doubt anybody else is), the method of trading must be the same...

Therefore the options they have in OKC as to go below the lux tax are three (in that order of preference for OKC):
1. They move Westbrook for a deal that includes J.R. Smith (most probably on a 3-team deal).
2. They move P.George in a deal that includes George Hill in the package they receive.
3. They move P. George in a deal that includes J.R.Smith (most probably on a 3-team deal).

Therefore the Bucks have high probability of getting George...

 

[Mecca]

Had forgotten about him. Very similar posting style.

@broncosmitty we need a ruling here.

I said this shit days ago.

Troll 101: Change up posting style when making dupe account.

 

[tlance]

To start with... OKC will be looking to move below the lux tax this season and that can be achieved only if they can save some 20M off their current salaries... But is not achievable under the CBA 125% rule, so they have to find a way to overcome this...

The Bucks do have the solution they need, if they can achieve a deal that includes George Hill in a "sign and trade"... Because George Hill's contract is the best contract currently in the entire league... (second better being J.R. Smith's contract, which is of much the same provisions, but of much higher guaranteed salary -3.8M instead of only 1M on Hill's- and lower value -15.7M than 18M on Hill)...

Therefore if Hill agrees to sign a 5-6M new contract and is moved on a "sign and trade"... His value on a trade will be some 12-13M over the salary the other team will have to write in their books and then the rest of the amount OKC will want to save, will be easily achievable by having less value of income salaries, than the outcome value under the 125% rule...

Now OKC would of course much prefer to move Westbrook's contract, than George's one, but other than Westbrook's contract being far less desirable (the Bucks are certainly not interested on him or his contract - I doubt anybody else is), the method of trading must be the same...

Therefore the options they have in OKC as to go below the lux tax are three (in that order of preference for OKC):
1. They move Westbrook for a deal that includes J.R. Smith (most probably on a 3-team deal).
2. They move P.George in a deal that includes George Hill in the package they receive.
3. They move P. George in a deal that includes J.R.Smith (most probably on a 3-team deal).

Therefore the Bucks have high probability of getting George...

Yeah, even worse than I thought.

First of all, while George Hill is due to make like $19 million next year, he ain't worth no damn 19 million. So, no, the team receiving him is not getting 12-13 million in value.

Second, you keep talking about sign and trades. Sign and trades almost never happen anymore. And if they did, it would require the player being signed to want to go to the destination. Stretching Hill might be an option, and in total honesty I don't know all the rules on that, but I am quite certain you don't either since you haven't even brought up the term.

If Milwaukee truly was "the number 1 free agent destination", why would a player like Hill or Middleton or anyone else for that matter agree to a sign and trade moving them to a team actively trying to shed salary instead of competing?

Answer: they wouldn't.

Lastly, assuming you actually do have Hill in the books for 4 years at a fraction of his actual salary, what other pieces are you including? Because if the Bucks start a phone call to OKC offering them 30 something point guard (who would be 3rd on their depth chart) as the main piece in a Paul George trade, what do you think OKC's response would be?

Here are 4 possibilities:

A) intense laughter
B) immediate hang up
C) profanity laced tirade
D) awkward silence as Presti stares at his phone jaw agape at Milwaukee's stupidity

Notice none of these options end with Paul George in a Bucks uniform.

 

[buckalis]

Yeah, even worse than I thought.

First of all, while George Hill is due to make like $19 million next year, he ain't worth no damn 19 million. So, no, the team receiving him is not getting 12-13 million in value.

Exactly... Partly the reason why he will gladly take 5-6M for his next contract and agree to the destination... Still his value will be 18M on a sign and trade!

Second, you keep talking about sign and trades. Sign and trades almost never happen anymore. And if they did, it would require the player being signed to want to go to the destination. Stretching Hill might be an option, and in total honesty I don't know all the rules on that, but I am quite certain you don't either since you haven't even brought up the term.

If Milwaukee truly was "the number 1 free agent destination", why would a player like Hill or Middleton or anyone else for that matter agree to a sign and trade moving them to a team actively trying to shed salary instead of competing?

What Middleton has to do with this? Hill will agree, because there is no way he will get 5-6M if he walks into free agency, him being 32 and with 200+ free agents available in the market... The Bucks aren't paying him 5-6M if he stays!

Answer: they wouldn't.

Answer: He (Smith) would!

Lastly, assuming you actually do have Hill in the books for 4 years at a fraction of his actual salary, what other pieces are you including? Because if the Bucks start a phone call to OKC offering them 30 something point guard (who would be 3rd on their depth chart) as the main piece in a Paul George trade, what do you think OKC's response would be?

1.Why are you "assuming" a 4 years contract for Hill?
2. What OKC wants? we have plenty of whatever they ask... but we also know we have the upper hand for them to save 60+M for the next season... Therefore they better be reasonable, or... we have other alternatives!

Here are 4 possibilities:

A) intense laughter
B) immediate hang up
C) profanity laced tirade
D) awkward silence as Presti stares at his phone jaw agape at Milwaukee's stupidity

Notice none of these options end with Paul George in a Bucks uniform.

Conclusion... you need medical assistance as soon as possible.

 

[tlance]

Exactly... Partly the reason why he will gladly take 5-6M for his next contract and agree to the destination... Still his value will be 18M on a sign and trade!



What Middleton has to do with this? Hill will agree, because there is no way he will get 5-6M if he walks into free agency, him being 32 and with 200+ free agents available in the market... The Bucks aren't paying him 5-6M if he stays!



Answer: He (Smith) would!



1.Why are you "assuming" a 4 years contract for Hill?
2. What OKC wants? we have plenty of whatever they ask... but we also know we have the upper hand for them to save 60+M for the next season... Therefore they better be reasonable, or... we have other alternatives!



Conclusion... you need medical assistance as soon as possible.

So, Hill will "gladly" take a sign and trade for $6 million a year over 3 seasons when he is due $18 million next year?

LOL. That is hysterical. Pretty sure anybody of sound mind and body would prefer the $18 million in 1 season, plus the ability to sign a new contract next summer over graciously agreeing to extend 1 year's earnings over the next 3 out of the goodness of his heart.

If your employer asked you to take a 3rd of your salary so that they could ship you off to a rival company would you do it? Didn't think so.

Now, the Bucks could stretch Hill, but to do that they would have to waive him (meaning no trade) and the cap hit would stay with them for the next 3-4 years, all be it at a lower number.

Now, the rest of your drivel I won't even address because the George Hill logic is so profoundly wrong it isn't funny.

No, actually it is pretty funny.

Please keep impressing us with your profound NBA knowledge.

 

[tlance]

Assuming the Bucks plan to hold on to that Giannis guy, this is what they actually have in terms of tradeable assets that have positive trade value:

Eric Bledsoe- in a team friendly long term deal. Assuming Bucks want to keep him though.
Ilyasova- he has some minimal trade value at 7 million a year. He is a serviceable role player.
DJ Wilson- young player on rookie deal. Has some trade value equal to a late 1st/early second
Divincenzo- similar to Wilson
Brown- cheap young player for 1 more year. Again, has some trade value.
Connaughton- young, good and cheap. But only for 1 more year.
George Hill- has value as an expiring contract if the Bucks are willing to take on a bad contact for a superior player. But, that means a Mike Conley type. Not a Paul George.

Then they have their late first round draft picks.

Sorry, but none of this is moving the needle to land an Anthony Davis, Paul George type player.

 

[buckalis]

So, Hill will "gladly" take a sign and trade for $6 million a year over 3 seasons when he is due $18 million next year?

How is Hill due to 18M next season? Are you (totally) nuts? I've told you at least 100 times up to now that his contract is only guaranteed for 1M!!!

LOL. That is hysterical. Pretty sure anybody of sound mind and body would prefer the $18 million in 1 season, plus the ability to sign a new contract next summer over graciously agreeing to extend 1 year's earnings over the next 3 out of the goodness of his heart.

If your employer asked you to take a 3rd of your salary so that they could ship you off to a rival company would you do it? Didn't think so.

It is hysterical... isn't it? You really need medical treatment if you can invent-create non existent "issues" in your mind (although you've been informed about the details on a contract) and then conclude on the false / stupid assumptions that you created...

Now, the Bucks could stretch Hill, but to do that they would have to waive him (meaning no trade) and the cap hit would stay with them for the next 3-4 years, all be it at a lower number.

Now, the rest of your drivel I won't even address because the George Hill logic is so profoundly wrong it isn't funny.

No, actually it is pretty funny.

Please keep impressing us with your profound NBA knowledge.

It's medical treatment you need... no other explanation... Who ever talked about claiming waivers or stretching? You are totally nuts!

The Bucks either have to pay Hill 1M and let him walk into free agency, or get him to sign with the Bucks an extension for 3-4M or something similar (which is the best he would achieve if walks into free agency), or get him to agree on a "sign and trade" so that he can have a higher salary (but with the benefits that his value will count on hs previous contract)... How many times must one explain it to you?

 

[tlance]

How is Hill due to 18M next season? Are you (totally) nuts? I've told you at least 100 times up to now that his contract is only guaranteed for 1M!!!

It is hysterical... isn't it? You really need medical treatment if you can invent-create non existent "issues" in your mind (although you've been informed about the details on a contract) and then conclude on the false / stupid assumptions that you created...



It's medical treatment you need... no other explanation... Who ever talked about claiming waivers or stretching? You are totally nuts!

The Bucks either have to pay Hill 1M and let him walk into free agency, or get him to sign with the Bucks an extension for 3-4M or something similar (which is the best he would achieve if walks into free agency), or get him to agree on a "sign and trade" so that he can have a higher salary (but with the benefits that his value will count on hs previous contract)... How many times must one explain it to you?

Ok.

Missed the non-guarantee in all your lot nonsensical babbling and spotrac does not have any mention of it.

Still, Hill is not taking a sign and trade to go to OKC when he can be a free agent.

And if he were really only worth 3-4 million in free agency like you claim, then if he were to sign a $6 million per year long term deal he would have negligible, or possibly even negative trade value. You know, like Tony Snell.

You do understand that right?

You continuing to assume that Bucks players are going to want to "help them out" by executing sign and trades is hilarious. The only way they will do that is if the team that the former Bucks player wants to go to would need some cap relief to give the necessary contract.

Free agent players cannot be counted as trade assets.

You will be lucky if Milwaukee is able to bring most of the band back next year.

 

[GNG]

Paul George is the Bucks primary target for next season... (with high chances to get him).

The Bucks don't need Paul George.

 

[buckalis]

Ok.

Missed the non-guarantee in all your lot nonsensical babbling and spotrac does not have any mention of it.

Still, Hill is not taking a sign and trade to go to OKC when he can be a free agent.

And if he were really only worth 3-4 million in free agency like you claim, then if he were to sign a $6 million per year long term deal he would have negligible, or possibly even negative trade value. You know, like Tony Snell.

You do understand that right?

You continuing to assume that Bucks players are going to want to "help them out" by executing sign and trades is hilarious. The only way they will do that is if the team that the former Bucks player wants to go to would need some cap relief to give the necessary contract.

Free agent players cannot be counted as trade assets.

You will be lucky if Milwaukee is able to bring most of the band back next year.

I've replied to this before... will your Dad pay the 60+M that OKC has to save this season buddy? If you want M.O. he better spend it so that you get some medical treatment... With such a sum, you may be cured!