Avengers 4: Endgame (2019)

[Godstree]

yeah, which for the most part doesn't make for the most compelling story when watching, but i get what they were going for. i think after the initial fanboy appreciation wears off the movie is going to lose some of it's luster.

I was very critical of the movie(still have them) but when saw the second time I tried to look past them and like the movie much better.

My biggest complaint:

Spoiler

Marvel is so bad ass but thanos still beats her.

 

[Godstree]

it's been a while since i've seen the movies, that being said, i know it's all fan service. that said...

Spoiler: review

I get what this movie was going for and I get why people are digging it.
Start off with hawkeye and showing his loss. Cut to the trailer spots, Tony with his farewell, cue Captain Marvel. Continue the trailer scenes at HQ. Stones gone, quick kill of Thanos. Cut to 5 years...

Did everyone die? Captain America is in a group therapy session with like 6 people? Plus they showed a vacant new york beforehand? the cat talked about missing the mets (i didn't pick up on the fact he was gay until the other poster put it in his spoiler, my biggest take away was, why did they do away with sports? even if all the athletes went away, that's something america would have found a way to go back to.) that said, not important, everyone carried on in ridiculous ways. Cap depressed and trying to help out 5 people at a time, Tony finally living his family life, Thor leaning into the many parodies made about him, Dr. Hulk, dabbing for kids? While also not providing anything else to the movie? That said, Hulk did provide some exposition with Conan, but Rowdy Roddy War Machine was clearly Mr. Exposition of this movie, which I enjoyed, as they tried to explain why it makes sense to do some things.

That said we got ahead of ourselves. Original Avengers still around. Thanos killed, five years go by. Dumb fuck comes back due to a rat that was able to activate a button from a very precarious machine that was put in storage right because... and then he was able to put together how to... sort of...

with that said, i brought up civil war because it had a better plot and a better fight scene. while it was cool to see everyone coming back through the portals and being introduced into the movie, they never really played a part against the huge army they were against. again, i liked this movie, but we all know it's dumb shit, yes? fucking sixers.

Spoiler

Thor's complaint about not having cable was he could watch sports.

 

[Cowboyinexile]

I was very critical of the movie(still have them) but when saw the second time I tried to look past them and like the movie much better.

My biggest complaint:

Spoiler

Marvel is so bad ass but thanos still beats her.

Spoiler

He had to use the power stone to do it. She shows up 10 minutes earlier with Cap, Iron Man, and Thor, they just kick his ass and that's that. Far less entertaining though.

My bigger complaint is that he easily beat Hulk in Infinity War without it. But throughout the series they range the character's powers depending on the situatios to advance the plot so no biggie.

 

[Godstree]

Spoiler

He had to use the power stone to do it. She shows up 10 minutes earlier with Cap, Iron Man, and Thor, they just kick his ass and that's that. Far less entertaining though.

My bigger complaint is that he easily beat Hulk in Infinity War without it. But throughout the series they range the character's powers depending on the situatios to advance the plot so no biggie.

But she is so bad ass it shouldn't have mattered. she can't be stopped. at least that is what we are led to believe.

 

[BusSport]

Probably would have happened if Portman wasn't done with these movies

yeah I don't think she was ever actually in the movie and they just used unused footage from dark world she made it clear in past she was completely done with these movies

Maybe, though she did show up for the red carpet world premiere of Endgame:

 

[BusSport]

These 8 Chinese posters form a polyptych:

 

[DarthVedder]

Projected to have a $1B Worldwide - $350M domestic opening weekend.

Insane.

So the insane $1B projection fell short by 20%.

$1.2B.

 

[iruletheskool]

The entire crux of the movie relies on the fact that you have to accept that its a comic book movie. This was basically the only way for them to tie together so many disparate plot arcs. Because of the lazy premise, they are able to tie together so many loose ends in satisfying ways. So many.

Spoiler

Like if the rat starting up the machine at the start bothers someone

then this movie probably wasn't made for you. They could've done some really complex chaos theory stuff in this movie but they didn't because it didn't take itself too seriously.

Civil War was a movie that tried to take itself seriously and because of that it looks really ridiculous in my eyes. Once you turn the MCU into the Incredibles then you go down a rabbit hole of real world implication that don't belong in the movie. If Iron Man and Captain America actually existed then the whole civilized world would turn into Wakanda in terms of technology. It would immediately turn the modern setting into sci fi. There is a reason that the movie has no implications on any of the other MCU movies other than introducing Spider-man. Comic book movies can't exist with that kind of scrutiny without turning into sci fi movies. My .02

I see I struck a nerve. The loose ends they tied up could have been done without lazy time travel, but Ive been mad about this movie since the end of Inf War which left that as the only possibility.

Also a huge Cap fan since I was a young lad and what they did to his character will never be forgiven.

 

[Clayton]

I see I struck a nerve.

Nah. I get that its a movie some people won't like.

I'm personally just much happier with it than what they've been doing with the MCU lately. Ragnarok and Infinity Wars were silly roller coaster designed to get to a certain point. I felt like they finally made a full movie with Endgame.

 

[Godstree]

Spoiler

He had to use the power stone to do it. She shows up 10 minutes earlier with Cap, Iron Man, and Thor, they just kick his ass and that's that. Far less entertaining though.

My bigger complaint is that he easily beat Hulk in Infinity War without it. But throughout the series they range the character's powers depending on the situatios to advance the plot so no biggie.

Spoiler

When you put on the glove it is all a total bad ass can do just to snap fingers. They made a big deal about it twice. Knocked hulk on his ass and could barely do the deed. Same first time thanos put it on.

But he now can muster enough strength to hold off Marvel who has so much more strength and she is using two hands.

 

[ellupo]

Girls watch these movies too. Heaven forbid some little girl out there has a 10 second scene to nerd out to.

Girls can't nerd out to Capt Marvel as the strongest or Black Widow or the women of Wakanda or the Scarlett witch who is also one of the most powerful? The "she's not alone " was forced and unnecessary.

 

[Duffman]

Girls can't nerd out to Capt Marvel as the strongest or Black Widow or the women of Wakanda or the Scarlett witch who is also one of the most powerful? The "she's not alone " was forced and unnecessary.

Like 95% of this movie is all dudes fighting together, in a 3 hour movie they gave the women like 20 seconds of them all being together and united. It’s not a big deal.

 

[wildturkey]

Maybe, though she did show up for the red carpet world premiere of Endgame:

I think the red carpet invite was more of a salute to all the actors that's been in these movies over the years. The final credits felt that way too. Like a big tip of the cap celebration for it all so that's why she was there. I think @BPNAZ is right that she didn't actually shoot any new scenes unlike Russo. Portman's was just pieced together from footage they had from past movies.

 

[wildturkey]

Ok, it wasn't forced and super-contrived, it was completely organic and natural.


Heaven forbid anyone have their own opinion on it and that opinion have any negative critiques in it it whatsoever, so you nerds don't drop a nut over it or anything.

Girls can't nerd out to Capt Marvel as the strongest or Black Widow or the women of Wakanda or the Scarlett witch who is also one of the most powerful? The "she's not alone " was forced and unnecessary.

( @BusSport you can delete this if you think its getting too close to the guidelines of the Entertainment forum of not being political/social commentary)

I want to be clear that I'm not phrasing this as an attack so don't mistake this for an attacking tone. The sentiments you've expressed here is the PRIME reason stuff like that scene is done to begin with. Your views are what's being pushed back against. Not because you're purposely trying combat anything, but because you're not open to the idea that other groups take in and perceive situations differently. Whatever you perceive as fun from a film is good enough for everyone else and they should get on board. In these types of movies, there's tons of scenes where the male members team up, do some cool shit (pick any example. Let's say Cap wielding Thor's Hammer. Whatever. Doesn't matter.). You say "That's awesome." and think nothing else of it because you're male and you're use to seeing things like that. A little girl though sees a scene like that "That's awesome...but how come no one that looks like me ever gets to do any cool shit too?". Now sit back and think to when you were a child. You gravitate towards things that are like you because its easier for your brain to relate to something you know (which is yourself). For boys, it isn't hard to find those instances. Standard operating procedure in literature/film/pop culture predominately gives a lot of those instances to males historically. For girls, it hasn't been that way. It's starting to change with more characters, scenes, larger roles etc. So when a little girl sees stuff like that on screen, she gets to feel included just like everyone else. She too can have the full enjoyment of the film.

But any time some scene like the one we're talking about pops up in anything, you get reactions like yours and a lot of reactions far more negative than yours is shaming the fact that it was even done. "Why is this being done? Can't they like what I like? Stop shoving this down my throat". The effect, whether you realize it or not, ends up forming into something that prevents stuff like this being done in the first place to stop a change to the status quo. It keeps other groups (in this case, girls) left out, not having the full experience that a male audience would get. Are scenes like that forced or fan servicey? Sure. But so were a 100 other things in this and all comic book movies. This isn't something like Ghostbusters where they lazily just put women in the roles and tried to sell you on the fact the film is woke now. It was a 10 second scene of many of the already established characters being on screen at the same time. It's a moment for fans of those characters, but especially girls, to say "This is awesome" with no "buts" after just like you get to experience. Stuff like that is what makes watching movies fun. Now think back on all the moments you've had like that watching movies when you were younger. It's the same idea. By doing things like that scene, now everyone can have those experiences. It wasn't always the case.

 

[ellupo]

Like 95% of this movie is all dudes fighting together, in a 3 hour movie they gave the women like 20 seconds of them all being together and united. It’s not a big deal.

When its forced for a point it is a big deal.

 

[ellupo]

( @BusSport you can delete this if you think its getting too close to the guidelines of the Entertainment forum of not being political/social commentary)

I want to be clear that I'm not phrasing this as an attack so don't mistake this for an attacking tone. The sentiments you've expressed here is the PRIME reason stuff like that scene is done to begin with. Your views are what's being pushed back against. Not because you're purposely trying combat anything, but because you're not open to the idea that other groups take in and perceive situations differently. Whatever you perceive as fun from a film is good enough for everyone else and they should get on board. In these types of movies, there's tons of scenes where the male members team up, do some cool shit (pick any example. Let's say Cap wielding Thor's Hammer. Whatever. Doesn't matter.). You say "That's awesome." and think nothing else of it because you're male and you're use to seeing things like that. A little girl though sees a scene like that "That's awesome...but how come no one that looks like me ever gets to do any cool shit too?". Now sit back and think to when you were a child. You gravitate towards things that are like you because its easier for your brain to relate to something you know (which is yourself). For boys, it isn't hard to find those instances. Standard operating procedure in literature/film/pop culture predominately gives a lot of those instances to males historically. For girls, it hasn't been that way. It's starting to change with more characters, scenes, larger roles etc. So when a little girl sees stuff like that on screen, she gets to feel included just like everyone else. She too can have the full enjoyment of the film.

But any time some scene like the one we're talking about pops up in anything, you get reactions like yours and a lot of reactions far more negative than yours is shaming the fact that it was even done. "Why is this being done? Can't they like what I like? Stop shoving this down my throat". The effect, whether you realize it or not, ends up forming into something that prevents stuff like this being done in the first place to stop a change to the status quo. It keeps other groups (in this case, girls) left out, not having the full experience that a male audience would get. Are scenes like that forced or fan servicey? Sure. But so were a 100 other things in this and all comic book movies. This isn't something like Ghostbusters where they lazily just put women in the roles and tried to sell you on the fact the film is woke now. It was a 10 second scene of many of the already established characters being on screen at the same time. It's a moment for fans of those characters, but especially girls, to say "This is awesome" with no "buts" after just like you get to experience. Stuff like that is what makes watching movies fun. Now think back on all the moments you've had like that watching movies when you were younger. It's the same idea. By doing things like that scene, now everyone can have those experiences. It wasn't always the case.

I have to disagree. I dont need things to be my way. The super hero movies like this are all about equality which they should but when you single out one group intentionally its not about equality at that moment. There are many scenes with females that are great and they are no great due to gender they are great because they are great heroes in a great scene. I think when the for the gender it diminishes that gender as if they are not good enough to be treated equal like all other heroes they need to be treated as special.
As I pointed out before there are great instances and scenes with great female heroes that the gender was not pointed out to the audience. Those scenes treat them as equals as they should be treated and not some special characters that need to be forced onto the screen to be acknowledged.

 

[wildturkey]

I have to disagree. I dont need things to be my way. The super hero movies like this are all about equality which they should but when you single out one group intentionally its not about equality at that moment. There are many scenes with females that are great and they are no great due to gender they are great because they are great heroes in a great scene. I think when the for the gender it diminishes that gender as if they are not good enough to be treated equal like all other heroes they need to be treated as special.
As I pointed out before there are great instances and scenes with great female heroes that the gender was not pointed out to the audience. Those scenes treat them as equals as they should be treated and not some special characters that need to be forced onto the screen to be acknowledged.

But that's the thing though. If its about equality, they SHOULD get those scenes. It happens for the males. There's scenes where all the male characters show up for something cool and fans can nerd out. There's scenes where its mixed and fans nerd out. So why can't there be a scene where its all females?

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I have to disagree. I dont need things to be my way. The super hero movies like this are all about equality which they should but when you single out one group intentionally its not about equality at that moment. There are many scenes with females that are great and they are no great due to gender they are great because they are great heroes in a great scene. I think when the for the gender it diminishes that gender as if they are not good enough to be treated equal like all other heroes they need to be treated as special.
As I pointed out before there are great instances and scenes with great female heroes that the gender was not pointed out to the audience. Those scenes treat them as equals as they should be treated and not some special characters that need to be forced onto the screen to be acknowledged.

Exactly, it's the way it was disgustingly force fed. They can give the women heroes their moments without having it be "in your face".

Take Scarlet Witch for example. Infinity War and her small amount of time in this one really highlighted how much of a bad ass she is. As a more casual viewer of the franchise I knew she was powerful but it wasn't until the last couple movies that I realized shes one that can really kick ass.

And it didn't require anything obnoxious for me to realize that.

8 chicks(most really irrelevant characters) walking side by side in a "you ready girls?" moment was just over the top

 

[SDGuy73]

'Avengers: Endgame' Decimates Record Books with $1.2 Billion Global Debut
Apr. 28 - Heading into the weekend it was a foregone conclusion that Avengers: Endgamewould deliver the largest opening weekend of all-time, both domestically and globally, but to deliver a three-day domestic gross totaling an estimated $350 million and a global weekend over $1 billion was almost inconceivable, but today that figure has become a reality.

 

[GNG]

Endgame was just another Marvel movie with a minimal plot loaded with special effects.