politics thread

[Sharkinva]

well today that isnt acceptable , just a thought

Serious question, any of you guys ever heard of a show called United Shades of America??

If you ever get a wild hair, watch season one episode one. Its only an hour out of your life, and its an interesting watch.

 

[skinsdad62]

Trumpublican logic.

If there was no collusion, there should not have been an investigation of possible collusion. And if the President tried to obstruct an investigation into something that didnt happen, well the obstruction didnt really happen because the collusion didnt happen so the investigation should not have happened to in fact be obstructed!!!!!

this is so foolish i dont know where to begin . how did he obstruct justice ? firing comey ? you will need more then that

 

[Sharkinva]

this is so foolish i dont know where to begin . how did he obstruct justice ? firing comey ? you will need more then that

Instructing his chief of staff to fire Mueller. Instructing people to lie to congress. And Im sure eventually the entire Mueller report will come out. And people who are fans of Trump will say well he had a right to do those things. BUt somehow I think if he were not POTUS, he would be in a bit of legal trouble for his actions.

 

[Toadman005]

 

[Toadman005]

Instructing his chief of staff to fire Mueller. Instructing people to lie to congress. And Im sure eventually the entire Mueller report will come out. And people who are fans of Trump will say well he had a right to do those things. BUt somehow I think if he were not POTUS, he would be in a bit of legal trouble for his actions.

 

[skinsdad62]

Instructing his chief of staff to fire Mueller. Instructing people to lie to congress. And Im sure eventually the entire Mueller report will come out. And people who are fans of Trump will say well he had a right to do those things. BUt somehow I think if he were not POTUS, he would be in a bit of legal trouble for his actions.

look at how dumb that is , MUELLAR didnt get fired , who did he instruct to lie ? and by the way the report cleared Trump of obstruction and collusion .

and if that isnt true why isnt muellar saying anything in public ?

i will be interested in what you all will say when the conspirators of the soft coup attempt get called to the carpet

 

[Sharkinva]

look at how dumb that is , MUELLAR didnt get fired , who did he instruct to lie ? and by the way the report cleared Trump of obstruction and collusion .

and if that isnt true why isnt muellar saying anything in public ?

i will be interested in what you all will say when the conspirators of the soft coup attempt get called to the carpet

If this report exonerated Trump as much as you (and he) say, he would have had it printed on mailers and sent to every person in the country without redactions of any kind. You and I are both old enough to know that a failure to have enough witnesses to testify to wrong doing does not preclude wrong doing has taken place.

 

[chillerdab]

More on the psychosis that is the modern republican mind.

Riddled with issues.

What If Fox Covered Trump Like They Did Obama? - News & Guts Media

 

[chillerdab]

So you made a challenge before on Christianity and I am still waiting for you to continue.

What makes Pete an actual Christian? I think Pete May want to look at Matthew 5:19.

Like everything else, you got your Bible quote wrong.

 

[reptec101]

Where is there a bible quote in that comment? Im not trying to be a dick im just wondering if we have different bibles.

 

[Sharkinva]

All these biblical scholars on the immigration front and on the Pete is the debil front conveniently forget one of the more powerful messages from the bible in these times.

Luke 6:31

I dont know about all you good Christians, but as someone who does not believe in organized religion, Im feeling Luke on this one.

 

[reptec101]

More on the psychosis that is the modern republican mind.

Riddled with issues.

What If Fox Covered Trump Like They Did Obama? - News & Guts Media

All those clips ring true to the man and his presidency, and I voted for him. Show me where i'm wrong. He seemed more interested in being a celebrity than a leader for America. When Ferguson went down he failed miserably in taking control of a powder keg nation. He instead toss a lit match right on top. He stood along side the belief that the dude was an innocent victim. As with that Travon kid while the media fanned the flames that Zimmerman was a white man. What a joke that whole farce was. yea,, he lost my support right about then.

 

[chillerdab]

Where is there a bible quote in that comment? Im not trying to be a dick im just wondering if we have different bibles.

Jesus.

Substitute the word “reference” instead.

Sorry I had to spell it out for you.

 

[gkekoa]

And we have had this talk before. When the constitution was written, men were white, women were property and anything that didnt fit into those two categories was either another kind of property or an enemy.

And did you ever consider that other than Russians, not many other white nations want to immigrate to the US in Large numbers. Wonder why that is??

Women were not property. Some blacks were property but were 1/3 man and this ultimately led to their freedom, according to Frederick Douglas.

Perhaps white countries have less to flee from. Perhaps they are more free and better off economically. This doesn’t mean a damn thing regarding immigration to the US and race. If the US were racist, they would prevent more Hispanics, blacks, and Asians from immigrating here.

 

[gkekoa]

Like everything else, you got your Bible quote wrong.

Show me where I got it wrong. If you want to have intelligent discourse, say something intelligent.

 

[Sportster 72]

More on the psychosis that is the modern republican mind.

Riddled with issues.

What If Fox Covered Trump Like They Did Obama? - News & Guts Media

This I understand but what if CNN, MSNBC etc. … what if they covered Trump like they did Obama. Sadly it is hard to get actual news these days. Everything is slanted one way or the other.

 

[gkekoa]

All these biblical scholars on the immigration front and on the Pete is the debil front conveniently forget one of the more powerful messages from the bible in these times.

Luke 6:31

I dont know about all you good Christians, but as someone who does not believe in organized religion, Im feeling Luke on this one.

27 “But I say to you who hear, sLove your enemies, tdo good to those who hate you, ubless those who curse you, spray for those who abuse you. vTo one who wstrikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic2 either. xGive to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. yas you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

z“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. aif you blend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. clove your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and dyou will be sons of ethe Most High, for fhe is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. gBe merciful, even as hyour Father is merciful.

This is Luke 6. Where should I start? Let’s start with “do unto others.” This doesn’t mean to tell people things that are untrue. It means to simply speak the truth in love. Nobody claimed Pete was the devil, but he did claim Pence was something he isn’t. Then Chiller decid3d to chime in and say Pete was Christian and Pence was not. I am explaining how he is wrong, likely on both fronts.

As for immigration, God would never ask you to take in that which could harm you. The US has done more good for more people worldwide than any country in history. If things continue, we will be unable to continue doing that.

 

[Sharkinva]

27 “But I say to you who hear, sLove your enemies, tdo good to those who hate you, ubless those who curse you, spray for those who abuse you. vTo one who wstrikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic2 either. xGive to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. yas you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

z“If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. aif you blend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. clove your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and dyou will be sons of ethe Most High, for fhe is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. gBe merciful, even as hyour Father is merciful.

This is Luke 6. Where should I start? Let’s start with “do unto others.” This doesn’t mean to tell people things that are untrue. It means to simply speak the truth in love. Nobody claimed Pete was the devil, but he did claim Pence was something he isn’t. Then Chiller decid3d to chime in and say Pete was Christian and Pence was not. I am explaining how he is wrong, likely on both fronts.

As for immigration, God would never ask you to take in that which could harm you. The US has done more good for more people worldwide than any country in history. If things continue, we will be unable to continue doing that.

Luke does not say speak ont others as you would have spoken onto you it sat

DO onto others as you would have others DO onto you.

I know the bible has been around for a while, but that seems pretty clear. Treat others as you expect to be treated. Or to be more precise, treat others as you would want to be treated in their position.

Also it mentions not judging in there somewhere. Which is why I find it particularly ironic that so many GOD fearing men take it upon themselves to judge other men... Again IM not a religious man, but if I was I think that would be GODs job.

 

[gkekoa]

Luke does not say speak ont others as you would have spoken onto you it sat

DO onto others as you would have others DO onto you.

I know the bible has been around for a while, but that seems pretty clear. Treat others as you expect to be treated. Or to be more precise, treat others as you would want to be treated in their position.

Also it mentions not judging in there somewhere. Which is why I find it particularly ironic that so many GOD fearing men take it upon themselves to judge other men... Again IM not a religious man, but if I was I think that would be GODs job.

You don’t pretend something is OK when it isn’t. That is not what is meant by the verse. Read the full context of what is being written. He is speaking on how to treat your enemies. Treat them with love and respect. As usual, you pick a verse from full text. That isn’t how reading works.

Yes it does. I am not judging Pete; however, he did seem to judge Pence. Judging the action of homosexuality isn’t the same as judging a person. Sorry...but it doesn’t work like that. If we can’t judge an action to be wrong, then how do we know what is right? The verse is Matthew 7. It is saying don’t judge a person because you too will be judged. Nobody is judging Pete...he is sinning but so do I.

 

[Sharkinva]

You don’t pretend something is OK when it isn’t. That is not what is meant by the verse. Read the full context of what is being written. He is speaking on how to treat your enemies. Treat them with love and respect. As usual, you pick a verse from full text. That isn’t how reading works.

Yes it does. I am not judging Pete; however, he did seem to judge Pence. Judging the action of homosexuality isn’t the same as judging a person. Sorry...but it doesn’t work like that. If we can’t judge an action to be wrong, then how do we know what is right? The verse is Matthew 7. It is saying don’t judge a person because you too will be judged. Nobody is judging Pete...he is sinning but so do I.

Actually i pointed out Luke primarily because you and your fuherer have deemed these people the enemy.

I could have just as easily pointed out Malachi 3:5

So I will come to put you on trial. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,” says the Lord Almighty.

or 1 Kings 8:41-44

As for the foreigner who does not belong to your people Israel but has come from a distant land because of your name— for they will hear of your great name and your mighty hand and your outstretched arm—when they come and pray toward this temple, then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Do whatever the foreigner asks of you, so that all the peoples of the earth may know your name and fear you, as do your own people Israel, and may know that this house I have built bears your Name.

Or a few other passages in the bible that would point out that the mindset some of the self professed Christians around here have towards immigrants.

But mainly I brought it up to point out the hypocrisy of the so called moral christian right when it comes to those they dont want around.