politics thread

[skinsdad62]

PLeas.. enlighten me as to who would not have gotten a security clearance if their father/father in law were not President in our life time??

Any of the Bush kids ever have questions in their background?? Hell who was the last President to make their Family Members key figures in their White House??

and what did the trumps kids have ? nothing

 

[gkekoa]

So he, and by extension his family are above the law?

Thanks for clearing that up.

Nope...but the person in charge of security clearances said Jared needed one for the job appointed by the POTUS. A security clearance is not the law.

 

[Sharkinva]

Nope...but the person in charge of security clearances said Jared needed one for the job appointed by the POTUS. A security clearance is not the law.

Again I will just say I hope you guys are as forgiving of the next non-republican President. Unless of course you think there wont ever be another democrat President. Because I think if HIllary had won, and Chelsea and her Husband had been given Jobs in the White House, Republicans would be having conniption fits.

 

[gkekoa]

Again I will just say I hope you guys are as forgiving of the next non-republican President. Unless of course you think there wont ever be another democrat President. Because I think if HIllary had won, and Chelsea and her Husband had been given Jobs in the White House, Republicans would be having conniption fits.

You may be right about that because it would be viewed as a political family continuing their corruption. It wouldn’t make us right for it and it doesn’t make Trump right for it. It also doesn’t make anybody wrong.

I am sure there will be another Democrat POTUS but there is hope for the future. Democrats are afraid to bring children into the world because of global warming. Now if democrats stop breeding (fingers crossed) or abort all their children, and conservatives start pumping children out and talk about politics with them, then maybe we can destroy the democratic insanity.

 

[Stymietee]

You have to have probable cause. Sty and there isn’t any . None at all it’s just a scam by crybabies who can’t accept the election results

So, you're planning to stick with something that isn't true and deny the overwhelming reasons to investigate?

Well, to be fair, you've never seen the evidence and I can see that. Tell you what, let's wait to see how it all plays out, Mueller, SDNY , Virginia and probably many others because there's crossing of state lines and international borders.

Now, rather than going through a litany of events leading up to those checks being written, let's say that they were for "hush" money because of what Cohen says and were not paid for "hush money because Trump denied that he knew "nothing about it." Fair so far? Well, we know that Trump paid out at least one of them and more likely authorized the other two, unless you want to believe that the campaign finance manager/campaign treasurer was authorized to write checks as needed to keep the campaign going. If anyone here other than myself has ever run for public office, please back me up on this next part. (Thanks in advance)

Dual purpose contributions, where the candidate personally benefits (such as teeth whitening) also must be "reported" as a "partial" contribution, in fact according to the FEC [When candidates use their personal funds for campaign purposes, they are making contributions to their campaigns. Unlike other contributions, these candidate contributions are not subject to any limits. They must, however, be reported.] The Stormy Daniels payments were in effect "dual purpose" expenditures and as a result should have been reported. They were not!!

So, who was responsible for keeping track of this campaigns finances? The Finance Manager/ campaign treasurer has this duty. Failing to appoint one the task falls to the candidate. (I know my campaign was self financed) Here's a list of the 2016 Trumps campaign officials: See if there's a campaign finance manager/campaign treasurer appointed if you can. (more later on the felony committed by this guy while in the WH, that's post election guys)

Donald J. Trump for President

Campaign 2016 Republican primaries
2016 U.S. presidential election
Candidate Donald Trump
Chairman of The Trump Organization
(1971–2017)
Mike Pence
50th Governor of Indiana
(2013–2017)[1]
Affiliation Republican Party
Status Announced: June 16, 2015
Presumptive nominee: May 4, 2016
Official nominee: July 19, 2016
Won election: November 9, 2016
Headquarters Trump Tower,
Manhattan, New York[2]
Key people Steve Bannon (Chief executive)
Kellyanne Conway (Campaign manager)
David Bossie (Deputy campaign manager)
Michael Glassner (campaign manager)
Jason Miller (Communications director)
Katrina Pierson (National spokesperson)
Hope Hicks (Press secretary)
Daniel Scavino Jr. (Director of social media)
Ben Carson (VP Selection Committee Leader)
Jeff Sessions (Chairman of National Security Committee)
Michael T. Flynn (Military Advisor)
Omarosa Manigault (Director of African American Outreach)
Rudy Giuliani (Senior Advisor)
Chris Christie (White House Transition Chairman)[3]
Bill Palatucci (White House Transition Coordinator)
Michael Cohen (Special Counsel)
Arthur Culvahouse (VP Vetter)
Brad Parscale (Digital director) Steven Cheung (Rapid Response Director)[4]
Corey Lewandowski (Campaign manager; left campaign on June 20, 2016)
Roger Stone (Political adviser; left campaign on August 8, 2015)
Sam Nunberg (Political adviser; left campaign on August 3, 2015)[5]
Paul Manafort (Campaign chairman; left campaign on August 19, 2016)
Rick Gates (Deputy Campaign Chairman; left campaign in August 2016)[6]
Michael Caputo (Head of Communications; left campaign on June 20, 2016)[7]
Receipts US$350,668,435.70[8] (December 31, 2016)





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[Stymietee]

“Russian collusion" will seamlessly become "business corruption," just like "global warming suddenly became "climate change."

"Russian collusion" just like "global warming" was and is used by those who are less informed among us.

 

[Stymietee]

1996

There are signs; however, does every little thing fall under this? Isn’t it possible the sailor thought a picture could be harmless and took the pictures?

Hillary Clinton took a class on handling of classified materials. You take that class so you can’t use the excuse, I didn’t know. Hillary signed papers in order to gain a top secret clearance.

Sty asked where the convictions were. I was simply pointing out you can’t have a conviction if the law enforcement body admits she broke the law, but says we won’t press charges because it was an accident...which is total bullshit. She knew damn well what she was doing. Even if she didn’t, ignorance is not an excuse.

I did, but please keep this in mind when the subject is Trump. In fact check out what I just posted, it's a bit longer than my usual posts but well worth reading and as a bonus, fits perfectly into the "ignorance being no excuse" point.

 

[Stymietee]

Like I said, if they finally dig up enough dirt on trump, every presidential candidate, their family, associates and friends should have to go through an extensive fbi investigation. This way we either end up with Jesus Christ as president or no one, cuz this is complete bullshit.

So basically a myth or a man huh? Let me remind everyone that there are 3 co-equal branches of government here. One serves as a check on the other, that's how it works. Failing to investigate potential misdeeds and criminal activity is a dereliction of the duties of the HOR's. We've had 2 years of that, can't we at minimum allow for the process to work again?

 

[Toadman005]

"Russian collusion" just like "global warming" was and is used by those who are less informed among us.

Wait, you're claiming that's not the purpose of the Mueller probe? And that it's a narrow specification pushed by "the less informed", because the investigations actually an undefined catch all? An illegal one I might add.

 

[Stymietee]

and there was probable cause in that case and some untimely deaths and refusals to testify by the mcdougals . again we have nothing with trump

Nothing? Seriously Dad, take the blinders off!

 

[Stymietee]

Wait, you're claiming that's not the purpose of the Mueller probe? And that it's a narrow specification pushed by "the less informed", because the investigations actually an undefined catch all? An illegal one I might add.

Not at all, Mueller has been charged to investigate "collusion." Unfortunately, "collusion" is not a crime in and of itself. For the record collusion (criminal intent) is what one participates in...in order to commit a crime. In criminal activities congress is pretty limited in what they are able to do. These charges come directly from the DOJ, which has the FBI as its investigative body, or can appoint a special prosecutor. State law violations come under state law and state investigations. , not federal. So, please do tell, other than Mueller (a special prosecutor) what would be the "catch all" when all other investigations are being done by the states involved?

 

[Sharkinva]

Not at all, Mueller has been charged to investigate "collusion." Unfortunately, "collusion" is not a crime in and of itself. For the record collusion (criminal intent) is what one participates in...in order to commit a crime. In criminal activities congress is pretty limited in what they are able to do. These charges come directly from the DOJ, which has the FBI as its investigative body, or can appoint a special prosecutor. State law violations come under state law and state investigations. , not federal. So, please do tell, other than Mueller (a special prosecutor) what would be the "catch all" when all other investigations are being done by the states involved?

Personally I think they used the term Collusion, because if they came out and said we are investigating the President, his campaign and family for CONSPIRACY, the pucker factor would have been off the scales.

 

[Stymietee]

Personally I think they used the term Collusion, because if they came out and said we are investigating the President, his campaign and family for CONSPIRACY, the pucker factor would have been off the scales.

I'm not convinced that this term wasn't used purposefully, they have lawyers everywhere and must have known that "collusion" wasn't a crime. Although crimes were committed, there was no other way to pass what was known to the states now investigating him and the family.

I actually expect Mueller to issue some report that's quite vague in its conclusions regarding "collusion." The smartest thing he's done to date is deciding to turn over things that he knew about criminally, but was not charged to investigate, over to the states. Presidential pardon powers are limited to federal crimes. Ask Manafort, Cohen and all of the others who've spent time (or will) in state facilities.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Dude we both know that if Trump was not President... he or is kid s would have NEVER gotten a Security Clearance.

I was about to say the same thing. National security only appears important to The Base when Hillary is involved, with the President's kids and top secret clearances not so much.

 

[skinsdad62]

Nothing? Seriously Dad, take the blinders off!

Ok show me evidence and not accusations . The fact is all of you have had blinders on buying into collusion

 

[Toadman005]

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Ok show me evidence and not accusations . The fact is all of you have had blinders on buying into collusion

Again Dad it's not just collusion, it's all the other possible illegal activities that require a complete investigation. As I have said I never believed Trump was involved directly with Russia, I believed there was no collusion. But it sure was important enough to be looked at very very closely.

As I said before anyone who takes a hard look at the backgrounds of Robert Mueller and Donald Trump and have come to the conclusion that it's Mueller who is the crooked one is simply not reacting without a huge bias.

I firmly believe if there is concrete evidence of crimes committed by Trump you will dismiss them. You really won't care or will refuse to believe even if it's right in front of you. And that's why I believe The Base has lost all respect for Right vs Wrong, you only want your guy protected and that is simply wrong.

 

[gkekoa]

I was about to say the same thing. National security only appears important to The Base when Hillary is involved, with the President's kids and top secret clearances not so much.

Let’s see the difference.

Hillary actually mishandled, on purpose, classified material.

Jared may have been a security risk not because of anything he did, but because he might screw up.

 

[skinsdad62]

Again Dad it's not just collusion, it's all the other possible illegal activities that require a complete investigation. As I have said I never believed Trump was involved directly with Russia, I believed there was no collusion. But it sure was important enough to be looked at very very closely.

As I said before anyone who takes a hard look at the backgrounds of Robert Mueller and Donald Trump and have come to the conclusion that it's Mueller who is the crooked one is simply not reacting without a huge bias.

I firmly believe if there is concrete evidence of crimes committed by Trump you will dismiss them. You really won't care or will refuse to believe even if it's right in front of you. And that's why I believe The Base has lost all respect for Right vs Wrong, you only want your guy protected and that is simply wrong.

BS. That wasn’t the narrative when all this started . It was collusion , collusion , collusion . What should be looked at is attempted coup to overthrow a duly elected president . The rigging of a democratic primary ,the illegal use of a fisa warrant to investigate an opposition campaign . The facts about his team are right there in front of you and I have posted numerous things through the IG inspection and congressional testimony proving my side . What concrete evidence do you have ? All you have is an accusation at best and a unfounded one at that . Trump did business with Russia ,so. What , so did the Clinton’s .

 

[skinsdad62]

So, you're planning to stick with something that isn't true and deny the overwhelming reasons to investigate?

Well, to be fair, you've never seen the evidence and I can see that. Tell you what, let's wait to see how it all plays out, Mueller, SDNY , Virginia and probably many others because there's crossing of state lines and international borders.

Now, rather than going through a litany of events leading up to those checks being written, let's say that they were for "hush" money because of what Cohen says and were not paid for "hush money because Trump denied that he knew "nothing about it." Fair so far? Well, we know that Trump paid out at least one of them and more likely authorized the other two, unless you want to believe that the campaign finance manager/campaign treasurer was authorized to write checks as needed to keep the campaign going. If anyone here other than myself has ever run for public office, please back me up on this next part. (Thanks in advance)

Dual purpose contributions, where the candidate personally benefits (such as teeth whitening) also must be "reported" as a "partial" contribution, in fact according to the FEC [When candidates use their personal funds for campaign purposes, they are making contributions to their campaigns. Unlike other contributions, these candidate contributions are not subject to any limits. They must, however, be reported.] The Stormy Daniels payments were in effect "dual purpose" expenditures and as a result should have been reported. They were not!!

So, who was responsible for keeping track of this campaigns finances? The Finance Manager/ campaign treasurer has this duty. Failing to appoint one the task falls to the candidate. (I know my campaign was self financed) Here's a list of the 2016 Trumps campaign officials: See if there's a campaign finance manager/campaign treasurer appointed if you can. (more later on the felony committed by this guy while in the WH, that's post election guys)

Donald J. Trump for President

Campaign 2016 Republican primaries
2016 U.S. presidential election
Candidate Donald Trump
Chairman of The Trump Organization
(1971–2017)
Mike Pence
50th Governor of Indiana
(2013–2017)[1]
Affiliation Republican Party
Status Announced: June 16, 2015
Presumptive nominee: May 4, 2016
Official nominee: July 19, 2016
Won election: November 9, 2016
Headquarters Trump Tower,
Manhattan, New York[2]
Key people Steve Bannon (Chief executive)
Kellyanne Conway (Campaign manager)
David Bossie (Deputy campaign manager)
Michael Glassner (campaign manager)
Jason Miller (Communications director)
Katrina Pierson (National spokesperson)
Hope Hicks (Press secretary)
Daniel Scavino Jr. (Director of social media)
Ben Carson (VP Selection Committee Leader)
Jeff Sessions (Chairman of National Security Committee)
Michael T. Flynn (Military Advisor)
Omarosa Manigault (Director of African American Outreach)
Rudy Giuliani (Senior Advisor)
Chris Christie (White House Transition Chairman)[3]
Bill Palatucci (White House Transition Coordinator)
Michael Cohen (Special Counsel)
Arthur Culvahouse (VP Vetter)
Brad Parscale (Digital director) Steven Cheung (Rapid Response Director)[4]
Corey Lewandowski (Campaign manager; left campaign on June 20, 2016)
Roger Stone (Political adviser; left campaign on August 8, 2015)
Sam Nunberg (Political adviser; left campaign on August 3, 2015)[5]
Paul Manafort (Campaign chairman; left campaign on August 19, 2016)
Rick Gates (Deputy Campaign Chairman; left campaign in August 2016)[6]
Michael Caputo (Head of Communications; left campaign on June 20, 2016)[7]
Receipts US$350,668,435.70[8] (December 31, 2016)

And when proof surfaces he used campaign funds I am all ears . Until then it’s manure