Top Three Most Poorly Operated NBA Franchises

[Stakesarehigh]

could have had Embid? Who would not have played for Lebron's first 2 seasons here? I stopped reading after that.

The only pick I feel like the Cavs deserve to be blasted on is Bennett. That was a shitty pick and I thought as much the day it happened.

I was sitting there thinking this dude can't even get huge stats in a mid major conference how the hell is he the top pick?

 

[dtgold88]

Yes, and that was WITH Lebron who played there because that's his home, not because the Front office gave him such a great send off.

Now lets get back to the rest of the team... you know, the Championship roster that Lebron played with which is now what? 15-62 in his absence?

That's the roster I am talking about.

OK...but most care more about the title and other 3 appearances.

 

[dtgold88]

Hmm I said Waiters for Lilliard who went two spots later, and Drummond who was mocked most of the pre-draft as high as #2 and went top 10.

But hey, maybe this lack of factual findings is why.

As for TT I was just saying he wasn't remotely the best available. But your defense of picking him is what? I'm sorry but having the 1st and 4th pick and getting the 3rd and 8th best player is just not something I would celebrate. For some reason you find that so difficult to understand and I think it's the years of that being the status quo where the picks don't turn out that when they are close to being as good as the spot taken, you are celebrating.

find a mock with Drummond #2. Highest I could find was 8. Note who they had going before Drummond if you want to reference mocks to prove your point.

2012 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

 

[dtgold88]

I said could... and yeah if they were going to reach, I think reaching for Giannis was better than reaching for Bennett who most projected as a lottery pick outside the top 5 as well like Giannis. But that's me. Some will defend that Bennett pick and that reach to the grave it seems.


I don't see why you are so dead set on calling that anything better than an absolute waste. Seriously. two 1st overall picks for LOVE. Celtics traded a #1 pick. They got McHale and Parish for it.

Giannis would have been more of a reach. Feel free to find one mock with him ahead of Bennett or inside the top 10.

 

[dtgold88]

The only pick I feel like the Cavs deserve to be blasted on is Bennett. That was a shitty pick and I thought as much the day it happened.

I was sitting there thinking this dude can't even get huge stats in a mid major conference how the hell is he the top pick?

Didn't like it but I got it. Was probably between him and Porter for them. Maybe McLemore (but they had Waiters). Probably figured he had the most upside so might as well roll the dice.

 

[dtgold88]

Who's that? Oh the Nuggets.. Like I said I follow them because that's where I live, actually more of a fan of players than anything.

But nice deflection. I see that's your defense now is to deflect.

OK, be a fan of players, but if you are really an NBA fan you'd have to know there are many teams who should be on the list of the OP over the cavs.

 

[dtgold88]

This person is literally still defending paying Bynum more than Duncan. wow. I can't make this up. I said it was a bad deal, and he's defending this still.



Sorry bud, I am not going to say that the Bynum deal, nor the 1st round pick they had to throw in to get him off the roster was good.

You defending this as some bright spot for the Front office says more about that front office than I ever could.

Have a wonderful day kiddo.

you have to be messing with us. Fess up and I'll give ya an addaboy.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

find a mock with Drummond #2. Highest I could find was 8. Note who they had going before Drummond if you want to reference mocks to prove your point.

2012 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

DraftExpress - Andre Drummond Mock History

a breakdown of the mocks before the draft. 8 of them with him at #2.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

OK, be a fan of players, but if you are really an NBA fan you'd have to know there are many teams who should be on the list of the OP over the cavs.

Maybe. There's teams with less to work with that have done a lot more. Sure, you can point to bad moves all over that might have cost their teams a playoff round or two, but when it comes to costing themselves the most, Cleveland twice cost themselves Lebron and a dynasty. That's a pretty big miss.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

the Bynum deal was not close to 2 years 24M- i tried to give the idiot a chance to recant his bullshit and he was obviously either too ignorant or too lazy or a combination of both.

The Bynum deal was 2 years 24M but had several outs- it was NEVER going to be 2 years 24M unless Bynum played like a mad man and was amazing again.

Griffin made basically an artificial trade deadline in the contract- the contract was terminable in January and NONE of the money after like 3 months was guaranteed.

The Bynum deal, for all intents and purposes, was a 3 month contract with about 3M dollars. The whole value in the contract was that it could be used to bring back 12M in salary, but was immediately terminable to any team that traded for him- basically an "in-season" expiring contract- a loop hole that has now been closed.

It was a 3 month try-out to see if a formerly ultra-talented player had worked his way back. He didn't and because Griffin structured the deal to have no risk for the Cavs- they moved on from him.

• 7/19/13 — Signed Andrew Bynum to a two-year, $24.8 million contract (both seasons non/partially guaranteed).

Actually it was 6 million guaranteed by the Cavs. The addition of Bynum and Jack cost them four first round picks, a potential first round swap, three 2nd round picks, around 18 million dollars, and they got an upset Deng for half a season as well out of it. I don't call that a good move.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

could have had Embid? Who would not have played for Lebron's first 2 seasons here? I stopped reading after that.

Yup. Might not have made the finals to lose for a season or two. But imagine Embiid, Lebron and Kyrie together... And if they hit on one or two other mistakes, having even better role players... wow. That would be scary.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

I get rational and facts aren't your thing, but Lebron joining LA kind of tells ya winning wasn't his #1 priority, doesn't it? Talk about a mess.

Yes because when we look at this Cleveland roster that he left, WINNING is what comes to mind.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

AHAHAHAH, you were proven wrong now you are grasping at straws like money paid per games started? LOL.....oh man too funny.

so let me ask you again

who paid bynum more money than duncan?

certainly not the Cavs, lol


you just sound very butt hurt at this point

i mean- the facts are the facts- the Cavs signed Bynum to a un-guaranteed contract to see if he could regain his form- and were smart enough to structure that contract as a trade asset even if he never played another minute.

to at first try and sell it as this monstrosity of a 2 year 24M dollar deal and then back pedal to "$ per start" is just hilarious.

You are literally arguing that spending four first rounders, 3 2nd rounders a first round potential swap, AND spending more money for Bynum than Duncan was making per game is a good idea. I just disagree.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

id certainly rather have drafted Dion Waiters #4 overall than trade down in the pick where Donovan Mitchell was taken and take Trey Lyles. LOL


ya know what? we could have Donovan Mitchell--- but lets pick up a late first rounder and take TREY LYLES! LOL

I would have gone Lillard or added a big like the best available in Drummond myself. But hey, they got waiters...

 

[Rockinkuwait]

you mean the factually incorrect comments must be debated

Nope, 6 million guaranteed for 20 games. And the cost of all those picks to get that disaster of a free agency out and start over.

But yes, please continue telling me how great a move that was.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

A Nugget fan? would be like a Jets' fan ripping the Saints.

Awww, more distractions trying to push away from that Bynum being a bad deal?

 

[Rockinkuwait]

18 mil in salaries
two 1st round picks (don't forget they had to send a first to get rid of Jack where they received nothing)
a top 20 selection in his rookie year
A top 20 selection in his 2nd year
a swap for the worst 1st
AND three 2nd round picks

For 20 games of Bynum, a season of Jack, and 40 games of disgruntled Deng.

Sounds worth it to me, my bad, this thing goes right beside the Celtics trading for Russell from the Hawks.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

My point is simple... Have their been worse teams? Sure.

Have teams lost out on more the past 16 years with what they had to work with? That's a tough argument. If the Bulls won 1 championship with MJ by not making the move for Pippen and missing others, and he actually leaves for NY instead, that's still awesome that Chicago got it's first championship, and their fans would love it. But they lost a dynasty if that happened.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You are literally arguing that spending four first rounders, 3 2nd rounders a first round potential swap, AND spending more money for Bynum than Duncan was making per game is a good idea. I just disagree.

I didnt say anything was a good idea.

No matter how good you are- you are not going to hit every time.

The Cavs were smart enough to add tons of extra draft picks- and take as many shots as they could- and it ended with a championship and 4 straight Finals appearances.

The success rate on top 5 picks in the NBA is less than 40%. Less than 40% of top 5 picks make an all star. Just even ONE all star game.

Not only that- but the list of teams in the NBA that have actually had more success than the Cavs is very small- the NBA has the least parity in the sports world.

As we can tell by your nuggets who have made 2 conference finals, and ZERO NBA Finals in their history.

as I said - it just seems that you are butt-hurt that LeBron was born in Akron and the Cavs did a great job of stock piling picks and assets to attract LeBron back to Cleveland and go on a great run that would have only been greater if not for the emergence of a GSW who collected 4 of the top 20 players in the game- which is unprecedented

trust me- you will experience it to a lesser extent--- the Nuggets arent going to make any Finals- let alone win a championship because they have a an all time great team in their way.

Dan Gilbert, David Griffin, LeBron, Kyrie, etc. took a team that had never won a title, that had been in the lotto for 4 straight years, to 4 straight NBA Finals Appearances and a championship- which is positively amazing.

and you are here mumbling about an unguaranteed contract given to Andrew Bynum, lol......that you did not even know was unguaranteed until I told you- and then you felt humiliated so tried to grasp at some of the thinnest straws i have ever seen. give me a fucking break. LOL

 

[WiggyRuss]

My point is simple... Have their been worse teams? Sure.

Have teams lost out on more the past 16 years with what they had to work with? That's a tough argument. If the Bulls won 1 championship with MJ by not making the move for Pippen and missing others, and he actually leaves for NY instead, that's still awesome that Chicago got it's first championship, and their fans would love it. But they lost a dynasty if that happened.

lol, a lot better than 2 CONFERENCE FINALS APPEARANCES, in the HISTORY of the teams existence.

2 playoff series wins since 1994.

The Cavs are the freaking New England Patriots compared to the Nuggets