What about Josh Allen?

[carson]

He will not answer you because he can't. I'm fairly confident at this point he knew he was wrong to start so now he's just trolling.

I'm fairly confident that within 2 seasons I'll be able to say: "I told you so".

You idiots just keep slinging the same single season stats around. Baker has had the better rookie season...which means he'll, by default, have have the better career. I'm not buying it.

 

[DonMan]

I will acknowledge his point that the Bills probably have one of the five worst OL/WR combo groups in the league. With that said it was pretty dumb to both let so much of that OL go and ALSO trade Tyrod. So with all that being true it's hard to give high marks to the front office at least offensively.

When the Bills dumped Dareus last season, they created so much dead cap space they were essentially writing off 2018.

Wood and Incognito both leaving gave them too many holes to fill, and no money to fill it with.

Bills management thought so little of Tyrod they benched him midseason for Nathan Peterman. Tyrod's inaccuracy, in particular things like "drive killer" misses on easy 3rd downs, became his achilles heel. When they benched him, they had pretty much decided to move on.

Unless there's somebody they really like, I expect the Bills to try to move down with their 1st pick. Still have lots of holes to fill.

 

[Ricky Roma]

This is where I'm at. He looked like what the expectation used to be which was a season full of ups and downs.

I honestly thought that if he was to really succeed in the NFL, he needed to be around a real offensive teacher. Not just from a schematic standpoint but from a fundamental standpoint as well. Have some solid NFL talent around him as well. He may have went to the absolute worst place he could in the NFL, and from that standpoint, was actually successful.

Maybe it's all for not, and what we saw was his ceiling. I don't know.

 

[SteelersPride]

I'm fairly confident that within 2 seasons I'll be able to say: "I told you so".

You idiots just keep slinging the same single season stats around. Baker has had the better rookie season...which means he'll, by default, have have the better career. I'm not buying it.

hi you have had a few hours now, still waiting for 1 player to be named sir.

 

[Wamu]

hi you have had a few hours now, still waiting for 1 player to be named sir.

He'll answer you within 2 seasons.

 

[SteelersPride]

He'll answer you within 2 seasons.

i dont understand whats so hard, 1 fricken player.

 

[steelerssb]

I honestly thought that if he was to really succeed in the NFL, he needed to be around a real offensive teacher. Not just from a schematic standpoint but from a fundamental standpoint as well. Have some solid NFL talent around him as well. He may have went to the absolute worst place he could in the NFL, and from that standpoint, was actually successful.

Maybe it's all for not, and what we saw was his ceiling. I don't know.

Yep. I think McDermott has done a really good job as head coach considering what he has to work with but he really needs to bring in an offensive guru to coach up Allen.

 

[Wamu]

i dont understand whats so hard, 1 fricken player.

I'm sure he knows what he's saying (yeah right). He probably just forgot the name of the player he's talking about.

 

[carson]

hi you have had a few hours now, still waiting for 1 player to be named sir.

Cutler, Ryan, and Stafford, all had accuracy concerns coming out of college

 

[SteelersPride]

Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro

NFL Draft & Combine Profile - Josh Allen | NFL.com

Strengths

• Prototype frame for pocket passer
• Sturdy base allows him to shake off sacks and extend plays
• Rare arm strength and overall arm talent
• Has variety of release points if needed
• Can uncork suddenly when it breaks open
• Able to thread the needle with a rocket launcher
• Makes throws that no other quarterback in college can make
• Excellent thrower of deep outs
• Able to outpace safeties to deep sideline throws
• Aggressive pump-fakes open double moves
• Turns into competent traffic director when scrambling
• Can roll right and fling it down the field with impressive velocity and placement
• Asked to read the entire field
• No throw is too challenging
• Has arm strength and mobility to create explosive plays when play goes off-schedule
• Ability to challenge safeties over the top could help running games
• Attacks intermediate windows with pretty good precision when allowed to sit down in the pocket
• Has experience under center and operating in play-action passing attack
• Willing to pull it and move the chains with his legs
• Has experience in poor weather

Weaknesses

• Never had completion rate higher than 56 percent in either season as a starter
• Accuracy diminishes greatly when he's forced to move his feet
• May have too much hero in his blood
• Tries to overcome obstacles with arm talent and makes poor decisions because of it
• Takes too many chances with low percentage throws
• Needs to play smarter and place higher value on the ball
• Fastball pitcher whose touch could use improvement short
• Will baby the deep throws at times
• Field-reading is spotty
• Needs to be more patient in allowing combo routes to develop
• Would benefit by trading some velocity for better timing
• Anticipatory throws don't seem to come naturally
• Pre-snap game plan appears unfocused
• Breaks from pocket without cause throwing off his timing with receivers
• Doesn't keep feet "throw-ready" when sliding in pocket
• Frequently defaults to off-platform throws when there is time to set feet and deliver

Lots of positives, but the bolds are what we are talking about, its not a small sample size

 

[SteelersPride]

Cutler, Ryan, and Stafford, all had accuracy concerns coming out of college

lets start with cutler, he showed accuracy progression through college, and was up around 60%, and not the best nfl qb, had some longevity but not really good

stafford
"Blessed with a stronger and more accurate arm than many current NFL quarterbacks,"
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Matthew Stafford
source

matt ryan also up around 60%
also noted to have good accuracy in his pre draft profiles
source
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Matt Ryan

try again

 

[carson]

lets start with cutler, he showed accuracy progression through college, and was up around 60%, and not the best nfl qb, had some longevity but not really good

stafford
"Blessed with a stronger and more accurate arm than many current NFL quarterbacks,"
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Matthew Stafford
source

matt ryan also up around 60%
also noted to have good accuracy in his pre draft profiles
source
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Matt Ryan

try again

I'm rattling off all sub-60% passers based on their collegiate ratings. You can nitpick all you want, but this is the standard you chumps brought into the debate. Pretty sure Russell Wilson was a mid-50s % passer in college too.

 

[SteelersPride]

I'm rattling off all sub-60% passers based on their collegiate ratings. You can nitpick all you want, but this is the standard you chumps brought into the debate. Pretty sure Russell Wilson was a mid-50s % passer in college too.

sorry bud, not gonna work. unless u put 2 and 2 together.

"Unlike those who have held this title in the past, Wilson is a stellar passer who shows arm strength and accuracy when he is able to deliver the ball without a hitch.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Russell Wilson


try again

 

[carson]

Andrew Luck threw 18 picks and posted a 54% completion pct as a rookie. Not only is he a bust but Baker Mayfield is soooo much better.

 

[SteelersPride]

Andrew Luck threw 18 picks and posted a 54% completion pct as a rookie. Not only is he a bust but Baker Mayfield is soooo much better.

lmao you just dont get it what were saying. you wanna talk about talking to a wall. You just dont have basic comprehension skills.

THe other poster very simply acknowledged and understood the argument.

 

[carson]

lmao you just dont get it what were saying. you wanna talk about talking to a wall. You just dont have basic comprehension skills.

THe other poster very simply acknowledged and understood the argument.

No, no... your Cleveland cronies were using rookie completion percentage as the measuring stick for career accuracy. I'm simply playing along.

 

[SteelersPride]

No, no... your Cleveland cronies were using rookie completion percentage as the measuring stick for career accuracy. I'm simply playing along.

okie dokie, again, his is lower, and the point is college and pro accuracy is an issue, it was an issue coming out of school. its been an issue period. you have shown nothing to the contrary. Ive back up my argument. You're boring me

 

[carson]

okie dokie, again, his is lower, and the point is college and pro accuracy is an issue, it was an issue coming out of school. its been an issue period. you have shown nothing to the contrary. Ive back up my argument. You're boring me

Drew Brees had scouting reports that claimed his deep ball accuracy was concerning. Accuracy concerns aren't uncommon with young QBs. But "concerns" are not problems, nor are shoddy rookie statistics on a bad team, an indicator of how a career will play out. Allen got better with every snap. His abilities are raw but he's better built to play QB at this level. I also think Allen is smarter. Brownies fans getting overzealous with Baker because of his rookie season is hilarious. You don't have to agree, nor do I care whether you do.

 

[SteelersPride]

Drew Brees had scouting reports that claimed his deep ball accuracy was concerning. Accuracy concerns aren't uncommon with young QBs. But "concerns" are not problems, nor are shoddy rookie statistics on a bad team, an indicator of how a career will play out. Allen got better with every snap. His abilities are raw but he's better built to play QB at this level. I also think Allen is smarter. Brownies fans getting overzealous with Baker because of his rookie season is hilarious. You don't have to agree, nor do I care whether you do.

deep ball, and all balls are different. but whatever. can i ask how allen got better with every snap? he was actually slightly more accurate early



try again

 

[TKOSpikes]

Likely be the biggest boom-or-bust quarterback prospect in the draft. Allen's size and arm talent are prototypical for early first-round picks, but it's rare to find a quarterback with such a low college completion rate become a successful pro

NFL Draft & Combine Profile - Josh Allen | NFL.com

Strengths

• Prototype frame for pocket passer
• Sturdy base allows him to shake off sacks and extend plays
• Rare arm strength and overall arm talent
• Has variety of release points if needed
• Can uncork suddenly when it breaks open
• Able to thread the needle with a rocket launcher
• Makes throws that no other quarterback in college can make
• Excellent thrower of deep outs
• Able to outpace safeties to deep sideline throws
• Aggressive pump-fakes open double moves
• Turns into competent traffic director when scrambling
• Can roll right and fling it down the field with impressive velocity and placement
• Asked to read the entire field
• No throw is too challenging
• Has arm strength and mobility to create explosive plays when play goes off-schedule
• Ability to challenge safeties over the top could help running games
• Attacks intermediate windows with pretty good precision when allowed to sit down in the pocket
• Has experience under center and operating in play-action passing attack
• Willing to pull it and move the chains with his legs
• Has experience in poor weather

Weaknesses

• Never had completion rate higher than 56 percent in either season as a starter
• Accuracy diminishes greatly when he's forced to move his feet
• May have too much hero in his blood
• Tries to overcome obstacles with arm talent and makes poor decisions because of it
• Takes too many chances with low percentage throws
• Needs to play smarter and place higher value on the ball
• Fastball pitcher whose touch could use improvement short
• Will baby the deep throws at times
• Field-reading is spotty
• Needs to be more patient in allowing combo routes to develop
• Would benefit by trading some velocity for better timing
• Anticipatory throws don't seem to come naturally
• Pre-snap game plan appears unfocused
• Breaks from pocket without cause throwing off his timing with receivers
• Doesn't keep feet "throw-ready" when sliding in pocket
• Frequently defaults to off-platform throws when there is time to set feet and deliver

Lots of positives, but the bolds are what we are talking about, its not a small sample size

I agree his greatest liability is thinking he can make something of nothing. Favre like.

Patience in the pocket...not that he was afforded the chance to develop there, but look at Foster's first TD. Allen threw it 40 yards standing tall in a rugby scrum while getting hit. He passed that test, imo.

He actually babied a deep throw against the Pats two weeks ago. I don't see a decrease in accuracy on the run though, but I do see the erratic throws when he should be throwing it away. Even though they are always the result of a broken right side protection, he still needs to throw it away.

I think this kid is a worker. Highest wonderlic. He will improve. I have no doubts. Two aspects of his game are off. Quick slants and 25 yarders over the deep LB.

Not worried.

And be nice to Broncos fans. They passed on Allen, took Chubb, saving us next year's 1st as we were ready to trade up to #5.

Thank you Elway. Ironically, the guy who Allen reminds me of possibly most of all.