The First 2018 College Football Playoff

[TheRobotDevil]

By saying that 1/3 to a 1/4 of the season is completely worthless, I don’t get how anyone can not see that is watering the season into absolute piss water.

Hell USC makes the play offs in 2016. If they play Fresno Stateinstead of Alabama "Neutral site" and the Citadel instead of the extra cross diviosnal game against Stanford......The current system is already watered down and its only going to get worse without change.....The "Committee" has shown it pays to play a watered down schedule,miss your CCG etc....True champions aren't decided by eye tests,style points and human opinion. May as well let the fans vote on the 4 best teams Really not much different ......

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Is Ohio State in the playoffs in 2016 if the play Mercer instead of Oklahoma?

I don't think Ohio State should have been in the Play offs in 2016 either way. PSU was 11-2 with the extra game to OSU's 11-1 won the head to head. And won he conference championship.
So no I don't think OSU should have been in the play offs in 2016.Its rewarding failure and watering the season down

Now

Is Ohio State in the play offs last year over Alabama if they play Arkansas State instead of Oklahoma? Mercer instead of Iowa?

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Is Ohio State in the playoffs in 2016 if the play Mercer instead of Oklahoma?

They were in either way. OSU did not lose to Oklahoma in 2016 the committee promotes weaker schedule in your scenario. The only difference in your scenario is it promotes more weak scheduling.... Now are you going to continue avoiding the question. That actually changes the entire dynamics of last years scenario. Since Ohio State would have avoided two losses and replaced them with watered down wins......

Is Ohio State in the play offs last year over Alabama if they play Arkansas State instead of Oklahoma? Mercer instead of Iowa?

 

[WizardHawk]

I don't inherently disagree but if that's the job ( which they say it is ) then why no othet with criteria ? They list off these 17 things they use to rank teams but when something doesn't fit into that criteria they say " we just rank them in the order we think they're best ). I think most people would be fine with that so they really should just get rid of the criteria aspect as it does nothing but create controversy ( although that may be the point lol )

Do the AP voters get together and talk about their ballots? Coaches that vote in their poll? Nope.

The committee doesn't have one exact formula. There isn't any that wouldn't be questioned at some point. We shouldn't demand they have one, more or less share it.

They all go into that room for hours and talk about each team. Presumably they watch more of those teams they are focused on than the AP and coaches who vote in theirs as well. There aren't any head coaches in the US that even see the highlights, more or less all of the action from every team in the top half of football. Writers don't either. The committee does. And they bring ALL of the same arguments we do here! It is how the process works and why it works so well.

We know what they aren't supposed to look at, which is the other polls. Outside of that much of what they are tasked to use hasn't happened yet like CCG championships and head to head/tie ins from the top as many games are still left.

Every year we hear people complaining about the list and the process, but every year the final 10 looks very little like their first weeks stab at it. It is proof it doesn't sit in a vacuum. It is a new process every week and new arguments to be had. Sure, they can build on some of the arguments that haven't changed from one week, but that doesn't make any part of it static.

What other poll or ranking goes to such lengths to vet out their lists? NONE. And it isn't close.

 

[TheDayMan]

Basically the committee said "conference championship games are important" in 2014 with TCU and Baylor.........yet clearly they dont think conference championship games are very important by Rewarding teams by putting them in when they dont even win the division of their conference.

Only if you’re stupid. They’ve been pretty clear and transparent about what matters. 2016 they backed up winning your conference carries some weight with Washington who had a forgettable at best out of conference schedule, at the same time they showed scheduling and schedule strength matters and getting your ass kicked by teams you shouldn’t matters with the OSU/Penn state situation. It all makes sense. Did you ever clarify how the system is broken? it’s easy, just tell us what clearly top 4 team has been left out.

 

[WizardHawk]

The current system is not by definition the best 4 teams its the opinion of a committee. The current system has ecocide to this

If we want a true champion and the actual best teams. Uniform schedules,a concrete system to determine play off teams and expansion. Which actually adds meaningful more games......

Bullshit. 100% pure and total bullshit.

The system you want is as far away from the best 4 (6,8 whatever) as you can get. It rewards shitty conferences and punishes the fuck out of any that dares to have more than one really good team. It would promote using every single OOC as warm up/rest/pseudo bye weeks to limit exposure of key players to injury.

There is no other sport where the second best team not to win a division/conf/whatever is left out of their post season and yet the claim we need autobids is due in part to wanting to do what those other sports do.

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[rmilia1]

Do the AP voters get together and talk about their ballots? Coaches that vote in their poll? Nope.

The committee doesn't have one exact formula. There isn't any that wouldn't be questioned at some point. We shouldn't demand they have one, more or less share it.

They all go into that room for hours and talk about each team. Presumably they watch more of those teams they are focused on than the AP and coaches who vote in theirs as well. There aren't any head coaches in the US that even see the highlights, more or less all of the action from every team in the top half of football. Writers don't either. The committee does. And they bring ALL of the same arguments we do here! It is how the process works and why it works so well.

We know what they aren't supposed to look at, which is the other polls. Outside of that much of what they are tasked to use hasn't happened yet like CCG championships and head to head/tie ins from the top as many games are still left.

Every year we hear people complaining about the list and the process, but every year the final 10 looks very little like their first weeks stab at it. It is proof it doesn't sit in a vacuum. It is a new process every week and new arguments to be had. Sure, they can build on some of the arguments that haven't changed from one week, but that doesn't make any part of it static.

What other poll or ranking goes to such lengths to vet out their lists? NONE. And it isn't close.

That's my point though . They don't NEED criteria yet they say they have it but then don't use it. Just get rid of it

 

[WizardHawk]

True champions aren't decided by eye tests,style points and human opinion.

They aren't now dipshit.

We crown the national champion based off head to head play directly against each other. It is better than when they USED to only vote on a champion. Real teams play real games against each other until one remains as champion.

That's a fact.

 

[7Samurai13]

They were in either way. OSU did not lose to Oklahoma in 2016 the committee promotes weaker schedule in your scenario. The only difference in your scenario is it promotes more weak scheduling.... Now are you going to continue avoiding the question. That actually changes the entire dynamics of last years scenario. Since Ohio State would have avoided two losses and replaced them with watered down wins......

Is Ohio State in the play offs last year over Alabama if they play Arkansas State instead of Oklahoma? Mercer instead of Iowa?

Ohio State made it into the playoffs in 2016 because they beat Oklahoma. Otherwise Oklahoma goes to the playoffs in their place. But you want to make a 4 and 5 loss teams playoff eligible. Is the reason why you want to make non conference games pointless is because you can’t seem to win them?

 

[WizardHawk]

That's my point though . They don't NEED criteria yet they say they have it but then don't use it. Just get rid of it

The last line says or other criteria. Really doesn't matter what that list says. The process is they all go into a room and vet out the order. Each from different parts of the country and different backgrounds/perspectives. They all have a voice.

We can presume they don't always agree 100%. We've heard about heated exchanges over some of the same things fans here and all over social media have argued about. It doesn't matter which choice they make. They will always have some upset that don't agree.

And I'm entirely fine with that.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Ohio State made it into the playoffs in 2016 because they beat Oklahoma. Otherwise Oklahoma goes to the playoffs in their place. But you want to make a 4 and 5 loss teams playoff eligible. Is the reason why you want to make non conference games pointless is because you can’t seem to win them?

Ohio State made it to the play offs because they were 11-1 and not 11-2......

I do get why you're seriously avoiding this question tho....

Is Ohio State in the play offs last year over Alabama if they play Arkansas State instead of Oklahoma? Mercer instead of Iowa?

 

[7Samurai13]

Ohio State made it to the play offs because they were 11-1 and not 11-2......

I do get why you're seriously avoiding this question tho....

Is Ohio State in the play offs last year over Alabama if they play Arkansas State instead of Oklahoma? Mercer instead of Iowa?

I don’t know and neither do you. But I think getting blown the fuck out matters you don’t. I think non conference games matter, you don’t. You want free spots into playoffs for playing in shitty conferences. Big surprise.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Bullshit. 100% pure and total bullshit.

The system you want is as far away from the best 4 (6,8 whatever) as you can get. It rewards shitty conferences and punishes the fuck out of any that dares to have more than one really good team. It would promote using every single OOC as warm up/rest/pseudo bye weeks to limit exposure of key players to injury.

There is no other sport where the second best team not to win a division/conf/whatever is left out of their post season and yet the claim we need autobids is due in part to wanting to do what those other sports do.

it

is

insane

Is Ohio State in the play offs last year over Alabama if they play Arkansas State instead of Oklahoma? Mercer instead of Iowa?

The current system rewards failure and watered down regular seasons.....

Alabama wasn't even the best team in their division last year. Nor was Ohio State the year before

Play off teams are voted in. Eye tests and style points are the equivalent of picking out Oregon uniforms......

 

[WizardHawk]

The goal of the current format is NOT to always 100% only have the actual 4 best teams in the country fight it out for the title. That isn't an achievable goal. It wouldn't be served by autobids either. There simply aren't enough crossover games to settle it. There are too few games and too many of them in narrow pools (conf games) for there to be any format anywhere of any kind that can serve that goal.

This system used a hybrid of 'worthy' that is at best a mix of 'best' and 'most deserving' and there isn't a magic formula that makes that compromise perfect either. It is a best attempt to at least make the top couple of teams prove their valuation isn't way off and make them prove it on the field.

The BCS was put in place to help eliminate BYU of '84, the split title of Miami/UW, and a couple of other examples that left less than a unanimous national champion. The BCS had their issues as well, but that system did work for what it intended.

This system attempted to work out of it the computer models that were controversial and maybe make it so who was #2 or #3 didn't really matter anymore as both had a chance now to prove it. It does the best it can for 4th seed, but who really cares?

Go out and win the schedule you have and don't do derp on the field. That's all you have to do. Just don't crap the bed. And when you do, you lose the ability to really bitch about seating. You just do.

 

[WizardHawk]

Is Ohio State in the play offs last year over Alabama if they play Arkansas State instead of Oklahoma? Mercer instead of Iowa?

The current system rewards failure and watered down regular seasons.....

Alabama wasn't even the best team in their division last year. Nor was Ohio State the year before

Play off teams are voted in. Eye tests and style points are the equivalent of picking out Oregon uniforms......

Why would we play what ifs? Oh, that's right, because sticking to what actually happened kills a perfectly crazy narrative.

Alabama not being the best team in their division is exactly the point. Why is it so hard for you to understand that the second best team in all of college football just MIGHT be from the same division as the first? I'm not in favor of putting in the 16th best team in the country over the 2nd out of some misguided notion of fairness. It's just dumb.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

I don’t know and neither do you. But I think getting blown the fuck out matters you don’t. I think non conference games matter, you don’t. You want free spots into playoffs for playing in shitty conferences. Big surprise.

You know the answer but you don't want to answer. Because it confirms the current system promotes watered down regular seasons.......

Nice deflection but you cant compare conferences when teams don't play uniform schedules......Thhere is no criteria the only presidents that have been set in this format. Play a weaker schedule and mis your CCG and your in. Watered down season,teams picked based on the committees opinion. Rather than on the field

 

[7Samurai13]

You know the answer but you don't want to answer. Because it confirms the current system promotes watered down regular seasons.......

Nice deflection but you cant compare conferences when teams don't play uniform schedules......Thhere is no criteria the only presidents that have been set in this format. Play a weaker schedule and mis your CCG and your in. Watered down season,teams picked based on the committees opinion. Rather than on the field

Also losing multiple games and get blown the fuck out gets punished. But you don’t want them to matter.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Why would we play what ifs? Oh, that's right, because sticking to what actually happened kills a perfectly crazy narrative.

Alabama not being the best team in their division is exactly the point. Why is it so hard for you to understand that the second best team in all of college football just MIGHT be from the same division as the first? I'm not in favor of putting in the 16th best team in the country over the 2nd out of some misguided notion of fairness. It's just dumb.

Its not a what if. Why do you think a team that finished 3rd in their conference,2nd in their division with 11 wins. Is better than a team.That won their conference championship,won 11 games while playing an extra game and a more difficult schedule?

 

[TheDayMan]

The issue is some people, let’s call them simpletons, want some clear path to a 4 team (out of 130) playoff that’s supposed to be the best 4. There can’t be clear qualifiers for that. The set up now is the best way to include multiple teams in a playoff and still keep college football what it always has been, or at least something close to what it’s always been. If you just want to see teams need to do what they need to do to win their conference to get a chance to be crowned champions, I’d suggest maybe college football isn’t for you.

Those of us who seem to understand the 4 team playoff and don’t have any issue with it don’t want to completely change the landscape of division 1 college football, if you want to expand the playoff, especially if you want AQs and clear criteria for getting in, even if you don’t realize it you want something totally different than something that has always been unique about it. You want to change college football to suit your specific interests. Seems pretty fucking selfish, asshole.

 

[WizardHawk]

Its not a what if. Why do you think a team that finished 3rd in their conference,2nd in their division with 11 wins. Is better than a team.That won their conference championship,won 11 games while playing an extra game and a more difficult schedule?

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I can't be more clear. You are arguing over which team should be FOURTH FUCKING PLACE. Go play better and stop being somewhere between 4th and 6th. EARN 3rd or better and leave no doubt. This isn't hard man. At all.

There isn't a perfect way to settle who is 4 and I really honestly couldn't care less which way it goes. IT'S FOURTH ffs.

1000% you would still be here bitching up a storm over the exact same thing if they had an 8 team playoff of the same format and your outrage over which 3 loss team got in over which 2 loss team with whatever bullshit excuse you want to use. Wouldn't matter then either.

This system is better than an autobid of any type, at any number of teams and it's not hard to see the reasons why.