The First 2018 College Football Playoff

[4down20]

The issue with autobids is real if you stay at 4 teams . If you expand it's less problematic . I think the "it'll promote weaker schedules thing " is wrong though . Promotng weaker schedules is what our current system does. When you take 1 loss non division champs over 2 loss conference champs who played tough ooc games you're basically telling teams that having less overall losses is more important than winning your league . That will inherently lead to weaker schedules at least for P5 teams

That was 1 year.

In 2014 teams were left out because they didn't have enough SoS.

It's all relative to other teams, what is so hard to understand about that?

 

[7Samurai13]

If you think the CFP top 25 has absolutely no influence from the AP/Coaches poll your are incredibly naive.

Teams get boosted from beating preseason top 25 teams who end up being shit every year. Of course the initial ranking doesnt mirror the end, but the initial preseason rankings shapes a good amount of the rest of the season.

And the preseason polls, AP polls, and Coaches polls have no influence over the committee’s poll. You know the only one that matters for the playoffs.

 

[WizardHawk]

If you think the CFP top 25 has absolutely no influence from the AP/Coaches poll your are incredibly naive.

Teams get boosted from beating preseason top 25 teams who end up being shit every year. Of course the initial ranking doesnt mirror the end, but the initial preseason rankings shapes a good amount of the rest of the season.

We have your word that the committee sits there staring at the rankings and uses it to seed their own, which doesn't match either of the others and has MAJOR differences.

Yeah, that seems logical.

And why do you believe that? Because you MUST to build this nonexistent nonsense narrative that we are already in need of a bloated playoff system that would destroy college football.

 

[WizardHawk]

The system as it stands is now is broken! They for sure would do something stupid in some made up scenario I have in my head and that is SO bad it demands we fix it NOW so it never ever happens again, errr never actually happens, errr doesn't do what I'm sure it maybe might do some day!

 

[4down20]

The system as it stands is now is broken! They for sure would do something stupid in some made up scenario I have in my head and that is SO bad it demands we fix it NOW so it never ever happens again, errr never actually happens, errr doesn't do what I'm sure it maybe might do some day!

The worse part is they want to replace them with systems that you can easily point out the flaws and problems with in seconds.

Facts and such never have a chance against people who believe the conspiracies.

 

[osubuckeye89]

My chaos theory scenarios at MUCH more exciting than the boring crap you people want to see. Whatever floats your boat though I guess.

 

[7Samurai13]

The worse part is they want to replace them with systems that you can easily point out the flaws and problems with in seconds.

Facts and such never have a chance against people who believe the conspiracies.

The system proved it was broken the first year after it put a team with an injured starting QB and an injured backup quarterback in the playoffs over a healthy conference champ.

 

[7Samurai13]

My chaos theory scenarios at MUCH more exciting than the boring crap you people want to see. Whatever floats your boat though I guess.

And when it came back with Bama being left out you would be pouting because the system didn’t blow up like you wanted and get even shittier.

 

[rmilia1]

If you go auto bids then just go to round robins for every conference, no nonconference games since they would be rendered absolutely meaningless. No conference championship game since you already played everyone in conference. Auto bids are horrible.

I don't like autobids at 4 or 6 teams anything more than that then it's fine but we are still 4 for the forseeable future

 

[osubuckeye89]

And when it came back with Bama being left out you would be pouting because the system didn’t blow up like you wanted and get even shittier.

Bama is already in regardless of what happens on Saturday. Unless they somehow blew chunks against Moo State or All Barn (which they wont)

I'd bet money on it.

 

[rmilia1]

Already

proven

false

Completely.

The fact we can all do FCS now, and key teams can get away with scheduling things like Mercer before rivalry week ALREADY without consequence is 100% definite proof positive it would become the norm when ONLY league games matter.

Why would a team do anything else but that? Why would you not schedule patsy after patsy OOC and space them out to give you more rest, more prep time for the only games that matter? Why would you risk injury playing your important starters against more dangerous teams that have no bearing on the outcome of your season anyway?

There is no way to ask those questions and not find with pure fact this would end up being the case for everyone. It is simple logic.

You may be right . I'm just saying it's not different than now. Overall number of losses is more valuable than anything else . More than great ooc games , more than league titles , more than SoS ( St least for P5)

 

[4down20]

Bama is already in regardless of what happens on Saturday. Unless they somehow blew chunks against Moo State or All Barn (which they wont)

I'd bet money on it.

LSU would need to lose to A&M or Arkansas for that to happen.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

And?

Trying to boast up the SECs OOC wins as something great is a garbage argument.

Heres the numbers that matter. The 2 loss theory is a fallacy

11-2 while playing 13 games > 11- 1 playing 12 games
Oklahoma,Army(who the SEC considers P5),UNLV > Fresno State,Colorado State and Mercer
Winning a conference championship > finishing 3rd in your conference,2nd in your division
Playing a home and home with a top tier team > playing a neutral site game against a bad FSU team.....

I cant justify saying a team with the same amount of wins as a team that won their conference. Is ne of the 4 best teams in the country. When they aren even the best team in their division

You are correct the current play off selection system is flawed.. And promotes weak scheduling

Current system is based on opinion not the actual games on the field

 

[rmilia1]

That was 1 year.

In 2014 teams were left out because they didn't have enough SoS.

It's all relative to other teams, what is so hard to understand about that?

SoS only mattered because the losses were the same though . That's my point . If a P5 loses 1 game with s middling SoS they have a shot at the playoff . So far if they lose 2 they're done . So there's no incentive to schedule well ooc. Sure it likely wouldn't get better going to autobids but it isn't like it's good now anyway

 

[osubuckeye89]

Heres the numbers that matter. The 2 loss theory is a fallacy

11-2 while playing 13 games > 11- 1 playing 12 games
Oklahoma,Army(who the SEC considers P5),UNLV > Fresno State,Colorado State and Mercer
Winning a conference championship > finishing 3rd in your conference,2nd in your division
Playing a home and home with a top tier team > playing a neutral site game against a bad FSU team.....

I cant justify saying a team with the same amount of wins as a team that won their conference. Is ne of the 4 best teams in the country. When they aren even the best team in their division

You are correct the current play off selection system is flawed.. And promotes weak scheduling

Current system is based on opinion not the actual games on the field

To my point. You can also say 1 loss while playing 12 games is < 1 while playing 13 games.

A team getting into the playoff without playing in their conference title game is essentially rewarded for failing to win their division. They dont have to play that extra game and risk that 2nd loss (YES EVEN OHIO STATE 2 YEARS AGO)

Last year Auburn and UGA were in a way punished for having to play in the SEC title game. One of them had to take a loss, eliminating them from the playoff. While Bama sits at home and gets in anyways. Hows that fair?

 

[4down20]

SoS only mattered because the losses were the same though . That's my point . If a P5 loses 1 game with s middling SoS they have a shot at the playoff . So far if they lose 2 they're done . So there's no incentive to schedule well ooc. Sure it likely wouldn't get better going to autobids but it isn't like it's good now anyway

That does happen to some degree, but so far it hasn't really mattered. Ohio St got blown out is what screwed them, not the 2nd loss.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Basically the committee said "conference championship games are important" in 2014 with TCU and Baylor.........yet clearly they dont think conference championship games are very important by Rewarding teams by putting them in when they dont even win the division of their conference.

 

[4down20]

My chaos theory scenarios at MUCH more exciting than the boring crap you people want to see. Whatever floats your boat though I guess.

Quality football against teams who deserve to be there is boring?

Piss off.

 

[4down20]

Basically the committee said "conference championship games are important" in 2014 with TCU and Baylor.........yet clearly they dont think conference championship games are very important by Rewarding teams by putting them in when they dont even win the division of their conference.

Or, clearly the extra game gave Ohio St the chance to prove they deserved to be there. It's the games themselves, not the label.

 

[rmilia1]

That does happen to some degree, but so far it hasn't really mattered. Ohio St got blown out is what screwed them, not the 2nd loss.

Maybe but their second loss wasn't Iowa . That's a game you can't avoid . The second ( avoidable ) loss was Oklahoma . I get your point I'm just not sure it's right . I know we've debated this before but I still think a 12-1 OSU gets in over Bama last year even with the Iowa loss