The First 2018 College Football Playoff

[TheDayMan]

Alright do explain how preseason rankings are NOT based on nothing but speculation.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If they lose to LSU and fail to win their division, they have proven to be undeserving. Unless a bunch of other conference champs end up with 2 losses.

If they lose to LSU — they’d most likely get left out if you have multiple 1 loss division champs, because ND would take a spot.

If ND loses — I can see Bama getting in over Oklahoma. And the PAC is already out of it — they are just mediocre this year.

 

[7Samurai13]

Those OOC games were against

Louisville (2-6)
Miami (5-3, unranked, 4th place in their ACC division)
Washington (6-3, unranked)
Kansas State (3-5)
Texas Tech (5-3, unranked, 5th in Big 12)

Murderers row..........

Let’s look at the BigTen
Ohio State - Oregon State and TCU both trash
Michigan - Notre Dame loss
Michigan St - ASU loss
Wisconsin - BYU Loss
Penn State - 4-4 Pitt
Northwestern - Duke Loss, Akron Loss

 

[osubuckeye89]

Let’s look at the BigTen
Ohio State - Oregon State and TCU both trash
Michigan - Notre Dame loss
Michigan St - ASU loss
Wisconsin - BYU Loss
Penn State - 4-4 Pitt
Northwestern - Duke Loss, Akron Loss

And?

Trying to boast up the SECs OOC wins as something great is a garbage argument.

 

[ericd7633]

Those OOC games were against

Louisville (2-6)
Miami (5-3, unranked, 4th place in their ACC division)
Washington (6-3, unranked)
Kansas State (3-5)
Texas Tech (5-3, unranked, 5th in Big 12)

Murderers row..........

I'm not saying they played a murderes row schedule at all because it's not. But you still need to beat them to change the perception. And like I said earlier you can't take on bad losses OOC. In the same way it looks good for the bottom teams to have wins over a top 25 team, in looks equally as bad for a team to have lost to Akron and Duke OOC and be leading their division. NW would be a top 12 team if they won both those games. And both those teams are mediocre.

 

[7Samurai13]

And?

Trying to boast up the SECs OOC wins as something great is a garbage argument.

And you, an Ohio State Buckeye fan, crying about how an Alabama who might not make a conference championship game and make the playoffs, is one of the dumbest things considering Ohio State was the first team to do it in the playoffs.

 

[osubuckeye89]

And you, an Ohio State Buckeye fan, crying about how an Alabama who might not make a conference championship game and make the playoffs, is one of the dumbest things considering Ohio State was the first team to do it in the playoffs.

Different situations

Im saying if 3 conference champs (hell if even 1 or 2 do) have 1 loss and Bama has 1 loss without winning their division, the conference champ should without question get in over the. If the record is the same the conference champ should always go.

Ohio State had 1 loss. Ped State had 2

As last year Ohio State had 2 losses and Bama had 1.

 

[WizardHawk]

The system is already broke. How you gonna break whats already broken?

How?

So far you've offered up hypotheticals that require Bama to be bad against an ok team and finish sort of strong and other things to fall just right to even have your scenario, and then assume/PRAY the committee picks them over some other hypothetical more deserving entity. that is hoping for it to break, not any sort of proof it already is.

I'm not unhappy in any way over every single playoff to date. And I don't care about the arguments over 5th or 6th place not being in over 4th. I don't care about it this year, last year, or any other. All teams have to do to state their case is WIN YOUR DAMNED GAMES. It isn't anymore complicated than that slick. If you don't win you leave it up to others.

In your world, we should just do away with OOC and treat the winner of every major conference, and maybe one top G5 as all entirely 100% equal and all 100% more deserving than any team not a conf winner.

Let's ignore that every single sport you all want to compare to that have bigger playoffs ALL add some sort of wild card or other element to not leave out solid deserving BETTER teams than those otherwise winning their div/conf/whatever. You want to go back to the dark ages and say a 3 loss conf champ of a down conf deserves some spot at a table over a one loss team that played a better schedule and did more throughout the year.

It's lunacy IMO. It makes no sense at all and entirely breaks the sport the rest of us love as is.

Plenty of things to fix in this sport. The post season isn't one of them. How about standardized officiating with full time trained refs? How about THAT as a priority? Work more at keeping back alley money deals out of it. Fix the stipends and make it so the players don't have to work to eat at least through the season. Stop pussifying the sport with weird rules and let a catch be what a catch has always been.

Playoffs? Naw, we cool bro. We don't need you to break it, to create some far fetched bullshit system that entirely dismantles it completely as a 'fix'.

 

[4down20]

Alright do explain how preseason rankings are NOT based on nothing but speculation.

What does that have to do with your claim that the preseason rankings matter so much in the final rankings?

 

[osubuckeye89]

What does that have to do with your claim that the preseason rankings matter so much in the final rankings?

The preseason rankings set the table for the entire season of rankings. Its a starting point based on absolutely nothing but speculation and assumptions.

 

[osubuckeye89]

I'm not saying they played a murderes row schedule at all because it's not. But you still need to beat them to change the perception. And like I said earlier you can't take on bad losses OOC. In the same way it looks good for the bottom teams to have wins over a top 25 team, in looks equally as bad for a team to have lost to Akron and Duke OOC and be leading their division. NW would be a top 12 team if they won both those games. And both those teams are mediocre.

NW IS mediocre, I wouldn't be trying to prop them up like SEC homers will try to prop up Miss State and Texas A&M. Even if they did happen to at least beat Akron and were in the top 25 right now.

 

[4down20]

The preseason rankings set the table for the entire season of rankings. Its a starting point based on absolutely nothing but speculation and assumptions.

No, they do not.

 

[7Samurai13]

Different situations

Im saying if 3 conference champs (hell if even 1 or 2 do) have 1 loss and Bama has 1 loss without winning their division, the conference champ should without question get in over the. If the record is the same the conference champ should always go.

Ohio State had 1 loss. Ped State had 2

As last year Ohio State had 2 losses and Bama had 1.

So that’s a different situation because it benefited OSU. Fact of the matter is you want to be pissed off over a situation that hasn’t happened yet because you want to fake outrage. You seem like a person who enjoys being miserable because you want a system to break because you want an even worse system in place.

 

[WizardHawk]

The preseason rankings set the table for the entire season of rankings. Its a starting point based on absolutely nothing but speculation and assumptions.

So to you the end rankings always mirror those arbitrary preseason versions?

That's patently dumb. Teams fail to live up to those every single year and fall hard every single time. Every single year teams not in preseason top 25 do better than expected and rise up. Without fail.

And the playoff committee doesn't even use them! Their first top 25 list doesn't mirror ANY OF THEM. They create their own criteria and do not do so until well past mid season when there is enough data for that data to entirely stand on their own, without preconceived notions.

Logic fail man. Entirely.

 

[rmilia1]

The issue with autobids is real if you stay at 4 teams . If you expand it's less problematic . I think the "it'll promote weaker schedules thing " is wrong though . Promotng weaker schedules is what our current system does. When you take 1 loss non division champs over 2 loss conference champs who played tough ooc games you're basically telling teams that having less overall losses is more important than winning your league . That will inherently lead to weaker schedules at least for P5 teams

 

[osubuckeye89]

So that’s a different situation because it benefited OSU. Fact of the matter is you want to be pissed off over a situation that hasn’t happened yet because you want to fake outrage. You seem like a person who enjoys being miserable because you want a system to break because you want an even worse system in place.

No its different because 1 Loss is < 2

 

[7Samurai13]

The issue with autobids is real if you stay at 4 teams . If you expand it's less problematic . I think the "it'll promote weaker schedules thing " is wrong though . Promotng weaker schedules is what our current system does. When you take 1 loss non division champs over 2 loss conference champs who played tough ooc games you're basically telling teams that having less overall losses is more important than winning your league . That will inherently lead to weaker schedules at least for P5 teams

If you go auto bids then just go to round robins for every conference, no nonconference games since they would be rendered absolutely meaningless. No conference championship game since you already played everyone in conference. Auto bids are horrible.

 

[osubuckeye89]

So to you the end rankings always mirror those arbitrary preseason versions?

That's patently dumb. Teams fail to live up to those every single year and fall hard every single time. Every single year teams not in preseason top 25 do better than expected and rise up. Without fail.

And the playoff committee doesn't even use them! Their first top 25 list doesn't mirror ANY OF THEM. They create their own criteria and do not do so until well past mid season when there is enough data for that data to entirely stand on their own, without preconceived notions.

Logic fail man. Entirely.

If you think the CFP top 25 has absolutely no influence from the AP/Coaches poll your are incredibly naive.

Teams get boosted from beating preseason top 25 teams who end up being shit every year. Of course the initial ranking doesnt mirror the end, but the initial preseason rankings shapes a good amount of the rest of the season.

 

[WizardHawk]

The issue with autobids is real if you stay at 4 teams . If you expand it's less problematic . I think the "it'll promote weaker schedules thing " is wrong though . Promotng weaker schedules is what our current system does. When you take 1 loss non division champs over 2 loss conference champs who played tough ooc games you're basically telling teams that having less overall losses is more important than winning your league . That will inherently lead to weaker schedules at least for P5 teams

Already

proven

false

Completely.

The fact we can all do FCS now, and key teams can get away with scheduling things like Mercer before rivalry week ALREADY without consequence is 100% definite proof positive it would become the norm when ONLY league games matter.

Why would a team do anything else but that? Why would you not schedule patsy after patsy OOC and space them out to give you more rest, more prep time for the only games that matter? Why would you risk injury playing your important starters against more dangerous teams that have no bearing on the outcome of your season anyway?

There is no way to ask those questions and not find with pure fact this would end up being the case for everyone. It is simple logic.

 

[7Samurai13]

No its different because 1 Loss is < 2

Yes and you are getting pissy over something that hasn’t happened because you to go to a shittier system.