Deep Creek
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Only if the winners of certain bowls aren't guaranteed a CFP spot. Then you have dual conference auto bids.It serves the same purpose without all that utter bullshit about autobids. I'd be in favor of it.
Only if the winners of certain bowls aren't guaranteed a CFP spot. Then you have dual conference auto bids.It serves the same purpose without all that utter bullshit about autobids. I'd be in favor of it.
But it does and you can demonstrate it. Especially if it includes AQ.
I mean the closest thing I've seen to a game not mattering was the SECCG in 2016 between Alabama and Florida. Even if Alabama had lost that game, they would have been in IMO.
Those will become more common when you add games.
Alabama last year - most years that will not be good enough. The previous 3 years Alabama would have been left out. Just so happened that others did worse that year. Add more teams, suddenly it is.
Add in 8 teams and Alabama is in every playoff since like 2008 probably, 2010 being the only possible expection(and it's funny because that team probably could have won it that year after everyone got back at the end of the year, but that's football).
There is really no denying that adding more games rewards teams for doing less and that means you are taking away from the meaning of the regular season.
I don't know if I'd say that by year's end. I don't know that it would for sure add 9-3 teams getting in, but it's certainly possible I guess. There are down years. I wouldn't mind a 10-3 team that lost in the CCG, though.Adding more teams to the existing format for sure would add 9-3 teams getting in.
Seriously, whoever is going to win the Pac this year shouldn't be in any playoff. Not 4, not 6, and not 8. It's a bad league this year.
Well yeah, I'm not in favor of auto bid anything.Only if the winners of certain bowls aren't guaranteed a CFP spot. Then you have dual conference auto bids.
If mid-major is offensive to you then there is no more fair description that wouldn't be. They are middle of the major tier. It's a descriptor. In size, resources, and so many more measures outside of football record it is simply an accurate term.
UW isn't a mid-major, but they aren't a blue blood either and you don't see any of our fans being outraged that they aren't on that tier. It's simply reality.
Deal with it.
I've watched every Pac team. None of us are that good. USC has quite a few flaws, particularly on offense. Oregon has a weak defense and a good QB that is prone to making mistakes. UW can't get it's offense together and has a shit kicker. Colorado is garbage. WSU still doesn't have a defense you can fear. Utah is a complete joke on offense.I don't know if I'd say that by year's end. I don't know that it would for sure add 9-3 teams getting in, but it's certainly possible I guess. There are down years. I wouldn't mind a 10-3 team that lost in the CCG, though.
The PAC desperately needs Texas to win the Big 12 and USC to win out IMO. If that was the case (including beating ND), USC would be sitting nice by bowl season.
I agree. But, from what I've read, the biggest opposition to doing so comes from two camps. One is some of the G5s themselves. They don't think they could make as much revenue from their own playoffs as what they are getting from the current set up. The other camp opposing it are the bottom rungs of the P5 conferences. While it definitely wouldn't hurt them revenue wise, they are afraid they'd lose some of the 2nd tier recruits to the better G5 schools. I think that happens right now between the bottom rung of the G5s and the top teams in the FCS. Sam Houston State probably gets as good a recruits as we do...maybe better.You are talking about teams worth hundreds of millions of dollars with mega media machines going against teams worth a few million at most often in remote and smaller rural areas with far less draw for that almighty recruit.
There isn't any way to bring things closer together. If they broke it up into two leagues even UTEP would have a legit chance to find a better coach and put a run together to win it. It would put truly every one of the current 130 teams in a position to control their own competitiveness and chances to reach a playoff.
You have issues. Seek help.Washington is in the PAC 12, which is considered a power conference. Of course you all are not outrage. If Washington were to somehow run the table this year, they would be in the playoffs even though the conference is worse than the AAC.
All because of a P5 label.
Yes, both of those are true. The part about revenue is why we still have 130 and it won't be changing. It would, however, fix so many of these issues if they found a way to make it happen.I agree. But, from what I've read, the biggest opposition to doing so comes from two camps. One is some of the G5s themselves. They don't think they could make as much revenue from their own playoffs as what they are getting from the current set up. The other camp opposing it are the bottom rungs of the P5 conferences. While it definitely wouldn't hurt them revenue wise, they are afraid they'd lose some of the 2nd tier recruits to the better G5 schools. I think that happens right now between the bottom rung of the G5s and the top teams in the FCS. Sam Houston State probably gets as good a recruits as we do...maybe better.
It would also give an additional "quality" data point for the CFP to consider. That might help provide further clarity. It also might muddy the water but I'd love to see that!Well yeah, I'm not in favor of auto bid anything.
But what 4d20/saban were referencing would ultimately give a much better chance to a mid major given that the top G5 team is typically in one of the bigger bowls and would have that chance against a top rated team to make a case.
UCF AFTER beating Auburn would have a strong case to being in that top 4.
You have issues. Seek help.
No, they wouldn't be automatically in, but there is no fix for what fans of the G5 wants. They should split off and crown their own champions. It solves so much.
You know damned well it won't happen and why? Because every single G5 relies on the handouts they get from the CFP revenue sharing system. They wouldn't make it without that money. Even if there's little hope any have a real chance at fighting for a championship against a P5 team.
8 game play offs 5 conference champions,G5 champion and two at large bidsthere is no fix for what fans of the G5 wants. They should split off and crown their own champions. It solves so much.
there's little hope any have a real chance at fighting for a championship against a P5 team.
I'm sure this has come up before but why doesnt' the NCAA got to a 6 team playoff.
Take the P5 conference champions and one at large bid for the highest ranked Mid Major or Independent team.
By doing this, you could put importance back into a conference championship which would in effect be another playoff game.
I've always hated the fact that conference champions don't always end up in the playoff. This way all 5 conference champions get it. The committee could rank them 1 thru 5 with the top 2 getting first round byes.
They've got a better chance of somehow making 8 teams work, I'd guess. Plus that's even more money the families of these kids are having to shell out. Like OSU would have to travel to Pasadena, then fly down to New Orleans before finishing up in Dallas or something. Doesn't make much sense.
You mean like having a weak schedule and not winning your division? That would suck if that started to happen
Controversy makes moneyJust about every year there has been controversy. We wouldn't be having this discussion if something unfair didn't happen every year. Last year Alabama got in and they didn't even win their own division. They didn't even play in a conference championship.
How does a team win the national championship when they didn't even win their own conference?
I don't know that you can't say that sort of stuff about the majority of the teams in the nation after this last weekend, honestly.I've watched every Pac team. None of us are that good. USC has quite a few flaws, particularly on offense. Oregon has a weak defense and a good QB that is prone to making mistakes. UW can't get it's offense together and has a shit kicker. Colorado is garbage. WSU still doesn't have a defense you can fear. Utah is a complete joke on offense.
There isn't one of them that would win a major bowl right now.
There is some truth to that. But I'd likely guess there are some 2nd and maybe even 3rd place teams more impressive than anything in the Pac right now. The only 1 loss teams right now are Colorado, Oregon, and WSU. There's pretty much no chance any of them will win out. And of course if Oregon did they might end up with only 1 ranked team on their entire schedule.I don't know that you can't say that sort of stuff about the majority of the teams in the nation after this last weekend, honestly.
I'm happy with 4, but I understand the money angle of increasing to 6 teams... so going to 6 teams would not upset me......
However, if it does eventually go to 6 teams....no auto-bids... simply take the top 6 committee ranked teams with 1 and 2 being rewarded a bye, and 3 and 4 being rewarded with home stadium first round playoff games.
If 3 of those 6 happen to come from the SEC, and 2 of the 6 from the B1G, fine...... again simply take the top 6.
I think the bigger issue in college football is the ongoing clusterfuck of each conference doing whatever they want. College football is not broken, but I believe college football would be improved if the 5 power conference commissioners formed a coalition and agreed to a unified set of rules (And fuck the NCAA). Here are some rules I would like to see agreed upon by all P5 conferences:
-everybody must schedule at least 10 P5 opponents, with each conference still having the freedom to schedule either 8 or 9 conference games..... so if you schedule only 8 conference games, then you must also schedule at least 2 P5 OOC opponents.... and if you schedule 9 conference games, then you must only schedule at least 1 P5 OOC opponent. Notice I state 'schedule', not 'play' because weather cancellations are becoming more frequent... if a weather cancellation forces a P5 school to play a make-up game vs Incarnate Word, that's OK.... emergencies happen.
-No independents.... everybody must be conference affiliated.... in other words, force Notre Dame to join a conference. BYU needs to get their ass in the Big 12 too.
-The P5 and G5 separate when it comes to playoffs.... in other words, the G5 holds their own playoff and natty. They still remain FBS in regards to other Bowls still being mixed between P5 and G5. I would look forward to many service academy natty's.
-Get rid of divisions.... the two best teams in the conference simply play in the conference championship game. Division-less conferences would allow P5 conferences to expand to an odd number of members if they wish (11 or 13 or 15 member conferences would be fine). Division-less conference members would protect one of two important/traditional in-conference rivalries and simply rotate playing the other members of their conference on a more frequent basis.
-Of course all P5 conferences would also agree to a unified set of recruiting and transfer rules.
It wouldn't take geniuses to enact the above policies.... the P5 conference commissioners would just need to suppress their egos a bit, and form a 5-man coalition/counsel to get everybody on-board and going in the same direction.
But again..... if the playoff eventually increases to 6 teams...... NO AUTO BIDS.