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Actually - according to people regularly looking at O-line tape - he has been pretty good this season. One time beaten quite badly though.

For one, Lane is basically playing on an island most of the game (line fairly consistently slides away from him) which means rushers have gaps on the inside and outside to use. This means that he cannot preset towards steering the DE/edge rusher inside or outside for most of the game, but has to react to what the rusher is doing. Nor can he preset to defend a bull rush. He is apparently more on an island than just about every tackle in the game.

The one where he got beaten for the strip-sack - ironically - was when the line was supposed to slide towards him (Brooks was supposed to fill up the inside gap), which remained open when Brooks got occupied/stone-walled by the DT.


The Indianapolis game O-line problems were mostly a product of massive and consistent holding by the D-line (Indianapolis finally got called for it late in the game); something the Eagles were pointing out to the refs from the 1st quarter onwards. BTW, that was the opinion of Geoff Schwartz having looked at the game tape.

Know what I love about the Hoop? It’s the only place on the internet where you can hear “The Eagles are stupid for drafting a TE because their 1st team all pro RT actually sucks and they should have drafted OLine”... which we did (T and G). Not to mention the Eagles are SKY HIGH on the LT and the TE looks like he’s going to be excellent too.
We also got questioned about Sweat (DE) who was a projected 1st rounder til he got hurt. If they aren’t all pro by game 5 means we had a shit draft evidently.
 

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You just don't get it do you. I only mentioned Jones because he has played with cap hell for years, and never once was he in danger of facing being 20M over the cap, yet even not being that deep in cap hell they still had to take it in the shorts by cutting key players. Let's see how you like cap hell when you HAVE to cut top tier players due to cap problems. That time is near for the Eagles.

That problem - Eagles being in cap hell - has been predicted for the Eagles for a good number of times over the past 20 years or so (the Banner and Roseman years), but in the end never materialized. The top talent they had to let go was limited - usually because they managed to lock up the players they truly wanted fairly early, and (pre-)planning to let other players go, even if they were good. Example being Vinny Curry this year. It was predicted that the Eagles would be in serious trouble after the Chip Kelly mess, and it would take them years to recover from that (both talent and cap wise). Roseman basically managed to do so in two off-seasons, in which they added a player (Jeffery) most people said they could not afford due to cap issues.

Jones has never been 20 million over the cap, merely been paying 20+ million in dead money.

It is going to be interesting to see how Roseman will fit everything under the cap, and who the Eagles chose to keep or let go.
 

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They reported one of the things he used and he attributed all to that and he said that's all he used. I don't buy it at all and I totally agree with the bolded. But I'm confused why you have both opinions - that Lane only used those supplements and that a lot of players (even ones not caught cheating) use things they shouldn't

Yeah... sort of doesn’t make sense but once we get past the HGH that they all use (Look at the size of Peyton Manning’s head as a college senior compared to now) he hasn’t cheated a 2nd time I’m years. :) :)
 

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No, it was actually proven for the second PED violation. No idea for the first one. And quite often you can see a difference in PED levels traced between actually juicing (or most likely juicing) and it being contamination ingested by accident/coincidental to legal medicine use. Something that has come up in other sports (cycling, track and field, swimming) which have a much longer and more extensive track record of going after PED use.

BTW, the bolded simply is not true (though most claim innocence).
Yeah, we know he got caught taking that. What else was he also taking? I've got this great plot of land down South you may be interested in:

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Know what I love about the Hoop? It’s the only place on the internet where you can hear “The Eagles are stupid for drafting a TE because their 1st team all pro RT actually sucks and they should have drafted OLine”... which we did (T and G). Not to mention the Eagles are SKY HIGH on the LT and the TE looks like he’s going to be excellent too.
We also got questioned about Sweat (DE) who was a projected 1st rounder til he got hurt. If they aren’t all pro by game 5 means we had a shit draft evidently.

Yup.

And it is more ironic them talking about the Eagles ignoring O-line as if the Eagles were in a position to draft O-line talent that could immediately contribute. I do not remember where I came across it, but it was an article which pointed out that, apart from the high-end talent, the later picks (2nd/3rd round and so on) are relatively getting weaker (not immediately high level plug and play) due to the differences between NCAA and NFL. Which means that later round talent more regularly ends up being just as serviceable than the 2nd and 3rd rounders. And that it is more about O-line coaching at NFL level than anything else.
 

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Yeah... sort of doesn’t make sense but once we get past the HGH that they all use (Look at the size of Peyton Manning’s head as a college senior compared to now) he hasn’t cheated a 2nd time I’m years. :) :)
But HGH is not legal in NFL to abuse. That's my point. Almost everyone who was caught using anything is using all kinds of shit IMO. How many guys get caught with these masking agents and pretend it was for some other reason?
 

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That problem - Eagles being in cap hell - has been predicted for the Eagles for a good number of times over the past 20 years or so (the Banner and Roseman years), but in the end never materialized. The top talent they had to let go was limited - usually because they managed to lock up the players they truly wanted fairly early, and (pre-)planning to let other players go, even if they were good. Example being Vinny Curry this year. It was predicted that the Eagles would be in serious trouble after the Chip Kelly mess, and it would take them years to recover from that (both talent and cap wise). Roseman basically managed to do so in two off-seasons, in which they added a player (Jeffery) most people said they could not afford due to cap issues.

Jones has never been 20 million over the cap, merely been paying 20+ million in dead money.

It is going to be interesting to see how Roseman will fit everything under the cap, and who the Eagles chose to keep or let go.

Would people say the Eagles were in cap hell if they were even right this moment? Viola... Nick Foles gone and they’re even. We all understand more need to go for the signing of new players and your rookies but seriously, IF THE EAGLES WERE AT ZERO OVER THE CAP WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED CAP HELL?
 

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But HGH is not legal in NFL to abuse. That's my point. Almost everyone who was caught using anything is using all kinds of shit IMO. How many guys get caught with these masking agents and pretend it was for some other reason?

Am I mistaken or do they not even check for HGH?
 

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Yup.

And it is more ironic them talking about the Eagles ignoring O-line as if the Eagles were in a position to draft O-line talent that could immediately contribute. I do not remember where I came across it, but it was an article which pointed out that, apart from the high-end talent, the later picks (2nd/3rd round and so on) are relatively getting weaker (not immediately high level plug and play) due to the differences between NCAA and NFL. Which means that later round talent more regularly ends up being just as serviceable than the 2nd and 3rd rounders. And that it is more about O-line coaching at NFL level than anything else.

Really really excited about Jordan Mailata. Absolute freak athlete at 6’8 365. He was incredible in camp considering he never played one down of football on any level. He has the physical ability. Probably more than any OLineman ever drafted but that doesn’t mean he will be good. Dude is 365 and not fat at all.
 

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Would people say the Eagles were in cap hell if they were even right this moment? Viola... Nick Foles gone and they’re even. We all understand more need to go for the signing of new players and your rookies but seriously, IF THE EAGLES WERE AT ZERO OVER THE CAP WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED CAP HELL?
"Rabble rabble"

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to them. Just laugh in March as we keep adding talent and they keep muttering "muh cap hell."
 

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I wonder if the Seattle fans look at this crap the Eagles fans are spewing and reminisce back a few years.

Seattle had a top 3 D to keep them playoff relevant for a good 5 yrs till injuries, age and finger pointing derailed all that. Right now the Eagles D is bad, o-line looks bad with little running game and right now doesn't look to be a playoff team to defend the crown.
 

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Starting running back goes down.

Eagles writers: Which all pro RB do we want? We can basically pick whoever we want because we’re the Eagles. Yeah!

Lmfaooo

Of course they can....It'll probably cost 3 first which would be difficult for any team to pass up.
 

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PE1's stupidity on how the cap works is pure comedy gold. Now you got all these other dumb mother fuckers joining in acting like the Eagles don't have problems.

Derrrrr, our RT and backup TE are #1 all universe super stars....derrrrrr
 

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@Manster7588 have no idea what the face palm is about but everything I said was spot on. The Eagles have ZERO cap issues until they resign Wentz. Roseman has been a cap guru since day one. He even was reported in the links I posted went to Law school just to study the cap. That was his niche. There are a lot of excellent players on Philly that deserved big contracts and he spent more than usual last year going ALL IN and it netted them a SB title. Dallas had big cap problems and all it got them was 8-8 year after year. The Eagles are fine... until we resign Wentz. That’s when the problems will start but that’s what happens to teams with star QBs. Happened to Dallas with Romo.
Figure it out. It's not that difficult.
 

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Would people say the Eagles were in cap hell if they were even right this moment? Viola... Nick Foles gone and they’re even. We all understand more need to go for the signing of new players and your rookies but seriously, IF THE EAGLES WERE AT ZERO OVER THE CAP WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED CAP HELL?
Problem is when you drop Foles contract, you have to replace it with another contract. Viola, you're no longer even.
 

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That problem - Eagles being in cap hell - has been predicted for the Eagles for a good number of times over the past 20 years or so (the Banner and Roseman years), but in the end never materialized. The top talent they had to let go was limited - usually because they managed to lock up the players they truly wanted fairly early, and (pre-)planning to let other players go, even if they were good. Example being Vinny Curry this year. It was predicted that the Eagles would be in serious trouble after the Chip Kelly mess, and it would take them years to recover from that (both talent and cap wise). Roseman basically managed to do so in two off-seasons, in which they added a player (Jeffery) most people said they could not afford due to cap issues.

Jones has never been 20 million over the cap, merely been paying 20+ million in dead money.

It is going to be interesting to see how Roseman will fit everything under the cap, and who the Eagles chose to keep or let go.

And soon the Eagles will be paying dead money. Congratulations you all FINALLY found a QB who warrants a long term QB contract.
 

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Seattle had a top 3 D to keep them playoff relevant for a good 5 yrs till injuries, age and finger pointing derailed all that. Right now the Eagles D is bad, o-line looks bad with little running game and right now doesn't look to be a playoff team to defend the crown.

I think they can run... they just don’t. The OLine has been good at run blocking but bad at pass protection. We definitely aren’t close to Seattle in the secondary department. I think the turn it around but the Giants play us tough
 

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Problem is when you drop Foles contract, you have to replace it with another contract. Viola, you're no longer even.

We already have our backup on board. We will surely bring in a 3rd string guy for very little.
 

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And soon the Eagles will be paying dead money. Congratulations you all FINALLY found a QB who warrants a long term QB contract.

Yes! We finally have a superstar!!!
Eagles very rarely pay any dead cap money. That’s why Roseman is one of the best at managing the cap.
 
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