politics thread

[ehb5]

@ehb5- You cannot seriously be saying that the media was out to get Obama in the same breath as how the media is out to get Trump. It's insane to witness the manhunt. Whatever Trump is for.. the MSM is against. Regardless if it's actually good for the country, or not. Regarding Obama's birth certificate it actually was a valid question considering the dudes name. After 911 would you have been OK with a president with the name of Hussein? I think not. The BS attacks on trying to impeach a president regardless of the insanely good things that he's done since taking office.... yes, for blacks especially... is just that,, insane. It'll be a constant headache for him. Just want him to be allowed to govern the land without the constant BS.... that he's owed. Don't like it,,, vote him out in 2020. It's what they did in 2016. That's how you solve a problem if you see one. Not by BS accusations of treason and Russian witch hunts,,, but by votes. Wonder how the MSM will spin his latest victory in the tariff wars.

Oh and the tariff wars...what victory is that? Because so far his little tarriff wars have done nothing but hurt this country and we have nothing to show for it.

He even had to perform a big government bailout (rather socialist of him wasnt it?) to try and fix the damage HE caused in the first place.

So what victory has he accomplished on trade exactly?

 

[ehb5]

I dont work within the media... that is me making an observation and stating an opinion. My opinion is based off of how fake af Obama is in pretty much everything he said or did.

Hes the president of the United States in DC where cigs are crazy inexpensive down south. He doesnt need to smoke Newports... regardless it wasnt covered much at all and most, myself included do not give a rats ass if the president is a chain smoker or was big into blow while in college...

In regards to the other stuff. Mustard? I had to google it. Most of what came up was critical pieces about Fox for spending 1 segment on it...

glad to hear that fox is held to a higher standard than its counterparts

So Obama is fake but trump is... genuine??

 

[ehb5]

I’ll say it again, always the smartest man in the room. The meetings with Putin will basically have the same outcomes. Even though I agree he had a couple of gaffs in the presser.

Thats one thing i most certainly would not say about him.

You seem to be referencing the tariffs though so let me ask...

What has he accomplished on trade with the tariffs? You seem to think he achieved something but im not sure what you think that is.

So far his trade war has hurt americans and this country and forced him to bailout (how socialist of him) an industry to fix damage he has done.

So he hurt this country with the tariffs and then threw 12 billion dollars at the problem to try and fix it. I thought conservatives were supposed to be against this sort of stuff?

So why is he so smart for all this?

 

[ehb5]

Those damn libs are so distraught they are now tampering with recordings.

What?

 

[Skins2021]

So Obama is fake but trump is... genuine??

Trump is fake too, after all he is a democrat....

Obama takes fake to the next level though. He mastered identity politics and was the whitest white guy or the blackest black guy depending on who he was preaching to.

 

[gkekoa]

Constant negative rhetoric about immigrants deserves to be criticized. If all you represent immigrants as is bad then yea thats objectively incorrect.

He promised a wall theres no wall right now. He promised Mexico would pay for it and we know that's sure not happening.

He's pushed for tearing more families apart and terrible treatment of immigrants (and by extension people suspected of being illegal immigrants).

Oh the economys been doing great ive been saying that for a while now. Doesnt mean there arent problems or that trump isnt doing things to hurt it.

Oh the EU meeting definitely did happen. It just didn't actually end in any sort of accomplishment.

And the mainstream media is how i heard about it so to say they didn't cover it is complete bs.

I think it's just that theres a constant stream of negatives and actual news in that department. The positives are stll covered.

Why does it deserve to be criticized? You will highlight the negative to get your agenda done. Every politician in history has done this.

Why isn’t there a wall? The democrats won’t deal and the republicans don’t care enough to push it. He can’t unilaterally make a wall appear. He does not have that power. As for who will pay for it, time will tell.

Trump has pushed to enforce the law as written...his job.

The economy is doing well, and Obama stated the economy will never see 3%again and that manufacturing jobs are a thing of the past. He lied. Nope, he was just wrong. Trump has done nothing to hurt the economy yet...the jury is still out. I think you can at least see Trump doesn’t want tariffs...he wants no tariffs. This is all a negotiating tactic.

The EU meeting made one thing clear...the goal is no tariffs.

You misunderstand. The media covers it in three seconds and goes back to Trump is mean for the other 59 minutes and 57 seconds.

Are there? For every negative you mention, we can probably come up with a positive.

 

[gkekoa]

Oh and the tariff wars...what victory is that? Because so far his little tarriff wars have done nothing but hurt this country and we have nothing to show for it.

He even had to perform a big government bailout (rather socialist of him wasnt it?) to try and fix the damage HE caused in the first place.

So what victory has he accomplished on trade exactly?

Actually, his little tariffs haven’t hurt anybody yet. As you can see, 5e tariffs is nothing more than a negotiating ploy.

It was a big government bail out from the possible short term harm the long term negotiating positives will bring. How else was he going to get a better deal...draw a red line and keep backing off of it?

So...where was your outrage when Obama destroyed the coal industry?

 

[Skins2021]

A wall is very bad for the environment and disrupts migratory patterns of many animals including some big game.

For that reason and that reason alone I am anti wall.

That doesnt mean we still cant tighten our borders and be more selective with legal immigration.

 

[gkekoa]

Both those warranted minimal coverage and got minimal coverage.

You didn't have to hear it for it to have been said.

Eh are they really that negative on Melania? And right wing media HATES Michelle obama.

And trump was real big on the birther movement no surprise there.

Except you brought up Donald’s health even though 5ere was literally nothing to report. Hillary fainted in public. We heard more about Teump’s health than Hillary’s.

Never said it wasn’t true but the internet even seems to have scrubbed whatever negative you claim 5ere was.

Negative perhaps not. They sure don’t praise her like they did Michelle. The only negative I ever heard on Michelle kid’s lunch thing and she deserved it. Oh, then there were idiots on FB saying she was ugly...which I always found strange because I thought she was attractive.

What is wrong with Trump being big on the birther movement? I still have my doubts as should everybody. This is where the Hillary quote should come in though...”At this point, why does it matter?”

 

[Skins2021]

Negative perhaps not. They sure don’t praise her like they did Michelle. The only negative I ever heard on Michelle kid’s lunch thing and she deserved it.

What?

What is wrong with the NSLP? I think its a good strong initiative.

 

[ehb5]

Why does it deserve to be criticized? You will highlight the negative to get your agenda done. Every politician in history has done this.

Why isn’t there a wall? The democrats won’t deal and the republicans don’t care enough to push it. He can’t unilaterally make a wall appear. He does not have that power. As for who will pay for it, time will tell.

Trump has pushed to enforce the law as written...his job.

The economy is doing well, and Obama stated the economy will never see 3%again and that manufacturing jobs are a thing of the past. He lied. Nope, he was just wrong. Trump has done nothing to hurt the economy yet...the jury is still out. I think you can at least see Trump doesn’t want tariffs...he wants no tariffs. This is all a negotiating tactic.

The EU meeting made one thing clear...the goal is no tariffs.

You misunderstand. The media covers it in three seconds and goes back to Trump is mean for the other 59 minutes and 57 seconds.

Are there? For every negative you mention, we can probably come up with a positive.

When your consistently demonizing a group of people and presenting them incorrectly you dont think you should be called out for that?

Lol cmon. Mexico is not paying for that shit. Let's see if they can even build it period.

Doesnt mean what hes doing isnt worthy of criticism.

I think trump has definitely hurt the economy with the tariffs. People claim the tax cuts have actually been harmful as well but i haven't read much into that and as I've said im generally pro tax cuts.

As for his goal. No i wouldn't say it is clear. Maybe his goal is ultimately no tariffs or maybe it's not and he's trying to save face for the damage hes already causing. Either way... he hasnt accomplished a single thing on this front yet.

I mean... that's a blatant exaggeration i think. Now i do think that the media should be better but that goes for fox news and right wing media just as much as msnbc and cnn. The popular opinion on here seems to be to dismiss anything cnn says but believe anything from far right media. Thats insane.

Yea i think so. Hes constantly saying and tweeting stupid things, implementing poor trade policy, dealing with incompetence or corruption in his administration, fighting with the intelligence community, kissing the asses of dictators including one who targeted our elections to help him, oh and constantly disparaging an investigation that has consistently turned up more and more evidence of Russia's involvement in the election. So yea theres a lot to cover there.

 

[gkekoa]

When your consistently demonizing a group of people and presenting them incorrectly you dont think you should be called out for that?

Lol cmon. Mexico is not paying for that shit. Let's see if they can even build it period.

Doesnt mean what hes doing isnt worthy of criticism.

I think trump has definitely hurt the economy with the tariffs. People claim the tax cuts have actually been harmful as well but i haven't read much into that and as I've said im generally pro tax cuts.

As for his goal. No i wouldn't say it is clear. Maybe his goal is ultimately no tariffs or maybe it's not and he's trying to save face for the damage hes already causing. Either way... he hasnt accomplished a single thing on this front yet.

I mean... that's a blatant exaggeration i think. Now i do think that the media should be better but that goes for fox news and right wing media just as much as msnbc and cnn. The popular opinion on here seems to be to dismiss anything cnn says but believe anything from far right media. Thats insane.

Yea i think so. Hes constantly saying and tweeting stupid things, implementing poor trade policy, dealing with incompetence or corruption in his administration, fighting with the intelligence community, kissing the asses of dictators including one who targeted our elections to help him, oh and constantly disparaging an investigation that has consistently turned up more and more evidence of Russia's involvement in the election. So yea theres a lot to cover there.

Should he compliment them for breaking our laws? Should he not comment on illegals and crime?

Mexico may not directly pay for it. It is easy enough to take away their money we give them.

If the law is written to separate families at the border, which it is based on immigration law and the Flores Consent Decree. It is Congress’ job to change the law.

The tax cuts may end up hurting people such as myself. If you don’t itemize deductions, the poor, you definitely will not be hurt. The tariffs haven’t hurt yet. Coke is talking raising prices, but is that really so bad considering how unhealthy soda is? I assume the people claiming the tax cuts hurt are referring to a possible increase in deficit.

How is that an exaggeration. Those are direct quotes (summarized) from Trump and Obama. I stated before Trump did the goal is no tariffs because it makes sense.

Well, he stated his goal was no tariffs. He is trying to help US businesses get a fair market with our trade partners because that is what we give. Hell, I stated this was his goal before he said it was.

You would think it is an exaggeration but I think it is more accurate than we think. I think for myself and don’t agree with everything on the news, which is sad, because the news should simply report the facts...not try to make us think anything more. I do find the right far more fair though and have stated when they weren’t. I defended Obama from the constant attacks over minuscule shit...similarly to how I defend Trump. I am a big fan of the wait and see approach.

I agree he says stupid shit. You claim it is poor trade policy but it is a negotiating tactic. The policy you claim isn’t the desired long term policy. The people under him have been poor but poor but many have been unfairly scrutinized. He should be fighting the DOJ and federal agencies because they are investigating him for a non-crime he claims he didn’t commit and they obtained a warrant based on information bought and paid for by Hillary from the Russians. Is he kissing their asses? He speaks nicely at the podium but sanctions and kills their people. As for involvement in our election, again I ask you, do we do the same thing? Let me know when they actually change a vote or add votes to a candidate because that is what illegals do, and dead people. That is the real travesty that taints our elections.

 

[ehb5]

Actually, his little tariffs haven’t hurt anybody yet. As you can see, 5e tariffs is nothing more than a negotiating ploy.

It was a big government bail out from the possible short term harm the long term negotiating positives will bring. How else was he going to get a better deal...draw a red line and keep backing off of it?

So...where was your outrage when Obama destroyed the coal industry?

Steel Tariffs Are Taxing Some American Companies

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...orecast-as-surging-metals-prices-boosts-costs

Disarray Plagues U.S. Companies’ Efforts to Win Tariff Exemptions

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/...ocial&utm_content=graphics&utm_source=twitter

Soda, Motorcycle Prices Rise as Tariffs Hit Home for Consumers

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b331858e4b0b5e692f26a0e?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

Harley-Davidson to Shift Production Overseas to Offset EU Tariffs

Trump Administration Plans Up to $12 Billion in Farm Aid to Ease Concerns Over Trade Disputes

So much for the tarriffs not hurting anybody yet

As for coal thats a dying industry anyways. I don't like regulating to harm an industry but it is a good thing to move away from coal.

 

[skinsdad62]

the training camp thread is really having a lot of redskins football information on it . maybe we should put trump on hold

 

[gkekoa]

the training camp thread is really having a lot of redskins football information on it . maybe we should put trump on hold

I am following it too but I question if the information is good. I find it all as fluff.

 

[skinsdad62]

I am following it too but I question if the information is good. I find it all as fluff.

it is what it is and its the only game in town now

 

[gkekoa]

Steel Tariffs Are Taxing Some American Companies

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...orecast-as-surging-metals-prices-boosts-costs

Disarray Plagues U.S. Companies’ Efforts to Win Tariff Exemptions

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/tariff-tracker/?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid==socialflow-twitter-graphics&utm_medium=social&utm_content=graphics&utm_source=twitter

Soda, Motorcycle Prices Rise as Tariffs Hit Home for Consumers

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b331858e4b0b5e692f26a0e?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004

Harley-Davidson to Shift Production Overseas to Offset EU Tariffs

Trump Administration Plans Up to $12 Billion in Farm Aid to Ease Concerns Over Trade Disputes

So much for the tarriffs not hurting anybody yet

As for coal thats a dying industry anyways. I don't like regulating to harm an industry but it is a good thing to move away from coal.

Article one- some companies are claiming consumers are buying finished products elsewhere because they had to raise their prices. Why didn’t those other companies with the same products raise their prices?

Article two- GM had to lower their projections...the stocks 52week high was 46. It currently sits at 38.


Let me nutshell all of this for you. Companies are claiming they are being hurt by the tariffs and are saying they may have to raise prices to keep their profit margins where they want them. Trump has applied tariffs for one reason only. To allow our businesses to compete fairly on the world stage. These same companies will be thanking Trump if his plan is allowed to continue. Within a year, and for the future, tariffs between the US and everybody else will essentially vanish. These other countries need us far more than we need them. There will always be a substitute for these foreign nations...there is no substitute for the US consumer.

 

[Stymietee]

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[skinsdad62]

In the past few months, Fox News has aired live over 11 hours of Trump rallies. That’s 83 times more coverage than CNN and MSNBC combined.

Since 4/28 CNN has aired 0 seconds of Trump rallies

Are the viewers getting the hole story ?

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Cnn is fake news