Cravens to Broncos official

[Sharkinva]

yeah i guess so... i dont see anything to be proud about regarding the current state of this franchise... not a thing

well maybe how criminally underrated Ryan Kerrigan is

Cant speak for any one else. IM proud of what this team has accomplished in my life time. Im proud to be a fan of the team. But it is disheartening to a degree to see where Dan Snyder and Bruce Alle have taken the team.

So there will always be a soft spot for the Redskins, but Dan and Bruce have burned the homer out of me, and the only real hope I have for this team is that once Dan finally gets his new stadium deal. He realizes Bruce dont know his ass from a hole in the ground as far as winning on the field is concerned, and he finally brings in a real football guy. That or we just get plum lucky and win (another) Super Bowl before I die.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You will have to understand, for some of these guys, what Bruce Allen says holds more weight than this

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have repeatedly stated that I hate Bruce Allen. However that doesn't mean that everything bad that happens for this team is his fault or Snyder's fault or that somehow I should hope for only the worst for this team. In this case Cravens can certainly share some of the blame.

I love how some folks here are portraying him as some type of victim. Was that also why he made up all that bullshit about his arrest in VA or why he didn't have the decency to watch his teammates play when they were in his backyard in LA (when he watched his college team play the proceeding nt). I don't think he is as much of a victim or saint as he is being portrayed.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I would say big difference between doing something you don't like in your job and that of not trusting them to actually care about your health. Players are much more informed on the health risks of the game these days and when they find out that the team doctors are putting your health at risk for a short term gain for the team then yeah I would have a problem with that.

I've had jobs do that before and knew I needed to walk away from those as quickly as possible because the long-term effects of such a job could destroy future opportunities.

If that is true (no way of knowing) do you think that this is unique to the Redskins? Are you sure that the Broncos have never done something along these lines? This sounds like more of a flaw with the NFL in general and not the Redskins. I remember several other teams doing things worse than this over the past few seasons. This is where the league needs to audit things to clean this up everywhere.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Cant speak for any one else. IM proud of what this team has accomplished in my life time. Im proud to be a fan of the team. But it is disheartening to a degree to see where Dan Snyder and Bruce Alle have taken the team.

So there will always be a soft spot for the Redskins, but Dan and Bruce have burned the homer out of me, and the only real hope I have for this team is that once Dan finally gets his new stadium deal. He realizes Bruce dont know his ass from a hole in the ground as far as winning on the field is concerned, and he finally brings in a real football guy. That or we just get plum lucky and win (another) Super Bowl before I die.

Fair enough & pretty much agree. Just saying that it is possible to hate the owner/GM & still like the team & some of the players. Just because of flaws with the organization doesn't mean I can't like players like Williams, Kerrigan, Brown, Allen, etc & yes maybe even Alex Smith.

Again - I just don't understand this idea that I am not supposed to root for the team during the upcoming season and I should bitch 24x7 about the Redskins - what a waste of time.

 

[gkekoa]

Not knowing the situation, and only getting the half of the story that the team wanted out there... I will reserve judgement on the player.

I reserve the right to change my opinion of Cravens but my current opinion is I can’t stand him. I see him as an entitled coward who didn’t honor the contract he signed.

 

[Sharkinva]

Fair enough & pretty much agree. Just saying that it is possible to hate the owner/GM & still like the team & some of the players. Just because of flaws with the organization doesn't mean I can't like players like Williams, Kerrigan, Brown, Allen, etc & yes maybe even Alex Smith.

Again - I just don't understand this idea that I am not supposed to root for the team during the upcoming season and I should bitch 24x7 about the Redskins - what a waste of time.

That sir is the nail on the head. Dan and Bruce have made it almost toxic to LIKE a player unless said player is one of THEIR favorites. And yes I get it, at the end of the day its Dan's team and Bruce is in charge. And maybe I do just miss when it was ok to like a player because barring that player retiring, he was likely going to be on the team for most if not all of his career. And as much as you see some people bitching about the team, there are just as many that try and pimp every move as some sort of brilliance by Bruce.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

That sir is the nail on the head. Dan and Bruce have made it almost toxic to LIKE a player unless said player is one of THEIR favorites. And yes I get it, at the end of the day its Dan's team and Bruce is in charge. And maybe I do just miss when it was ok to like a player because barring that player retiring, he was likely going to be on the team for most if not all of his career. And as much as you see some people bitching about the team, there are just as many that try and pimp every move as some sort of brilliance by Bruce.

I think that if you take a poll here you will find very few people here lauding most/all of Allen's moves (Dean being one of the exceptions). Most will say that they like the team in spite of Allen or that Allen makes some good moves but also makes as many or more poor ones. Please prove that I am wrong on this one.

 

[Skins2021]

Cant speak for any one else. IM proud of what this team has accomplished in my life time. Im proud to be a fan of the team. But it is disheartening to a degree to see where Dan Snyder and Bruce Alle have taken the team.

So there will always be a soft spot for the Redskins, but Dan and Bruce have burned the homer out of me, and the only real hope I have for this team is that once Dan finally gets his new stadium deal. He realizes Bruce dont know his ass from a hole in the ground as far as winning on the field is concerned, and he finally brings in a real football guy. That or we just get plum lucky and win (another) Super Bowl before I die.

In my life time....

1) Loved Terry Allen. He was the first player I ever really liked
2) first AOL screen name "1OffenseRedskins"
That was when Brad Johnson was killing it... we know how that played out
3) I remember the team then had a great defense with no offense to speak of. Marcus Washington and the Daryl Gardner reclamation project was fun.
4) Sean Taylor. favorite Redskins of all time.
5) RG3 rookie season was the happiest season I've ever had as a Redskins fan.
6) Really really liked Kirk Cousins. Was by far the best Skins QB of my lifetime surpassing Brad Johnson. Him and Scot were really the only time I ever felt any hope that this team has finally turned a corner, aside from RG3 rookie season.

Hated the Spurrier, Brunnell, and above all could not stand Jason Campbell years. Campbell was the hardest QB for me to watch.

I guess I should reword my statement.... How can anyone under the age of 35 continue to support this franchise?

 

[deanpet21]

I think that if you take a poll here you will find very few people here lauding most/all of Allen's moves (Dean being one of the exceptions). Most will say that they like the team in spite of Allen or that Allen makes some good moves but also makes as many or more poor ones. Please prove that I am wrong on this one.

Whoa. I don't love Allen but I don't think he should be fired. I disagree with his drafts most of the time. So I don't know where you guys think that I love this guy. Do I really need to bring up the trade down for Murphy and Long again? That right there proves that im not in love with this guy.

Since SM left, I have liked Allens off seasons. We are not overpaying for players and a lot of people on here don't understand the Alex Smith trade and why we had to do it.

 

[Sharkinva]

I think that if you take a poll here you will find very few people here lauding most/all of Allen's moves (Dean being one of the exceptions). Most will say that they like the team in spite of Allen or that Allen makes some good moves but also makes as many or more poor ones. Please prove that I am wrong on this one.

Not to start a war or anything, but thats kind of like asking people to admit why they really wanted Kirk gone.

But for the sake of answering the question.. you have

Dean
Coach
Chiller seems to be pretty good with the Bruce way of things.

and there has been entirely too much Hakuna Matata floating around after the whole Smith trade.

 

[deanpet21]

Not to start a war or anything, but thats kind of like asking people to admit why they really wanted Kirk gone.

But for the sake of answering the question.. you have

Dean
Coach
Chiller seems to be pretty good with the Bruce way of things.

and there has been entirely too much Hakuna Matata floating around after the whole Smith trade.

lol. you still don't realize to this day that KC was gone no matter what. If ALex Smith wins all I have to say go run and hide.

 

[Sharkinva]

lol. you still don't realize to this day that KC was gone no matter what. If ALex Smith wins all I have to say go run and hide.

Dude.. I realized that two years ago. What you still cant accept is that he is gone because Bruce wanted him gone and was just bidding his time until he could find a replacement he could swing without too much flak.

I agree Smith was the move they HAD to do. Because the other option was to trade up in the draft. And we all know how well that would go over.

 

[deanpet21]

Dude.. I realized that two years ago. What you still cant accept is that he is gone because Bruce wanted him gone and was just bidding his time until he could find a replacement he could swing without too much flak.

I agree Smith was the move they HAD to do. Because the other option was to trade up in the draft. And we all know how well that would go over.

that is wrong b/c if you thought Bruce wanted him gone two years ago why didn't he try to trade him? The bottom line is KC wanted to hit FA and get paid. The Redskins didn't feel he was the savior and deserved a blank check. I mentioned last year to try to trade him and you guys immediately shot it down. You guys still thought LTD could of gotten done with the guy. Don't start buttering up to the Alex Smith trade b/c you and others have been blasting the trade and Alex Smith's talent since it has been made.

 

[Skins2021]

that is wrong b/c if you thought Bruce wanted him gone two years ago why didn't he try to trade him? The bottom line is KC wanted to hit FA and get paid. The Redskins didn't feel he was the savior and deserved a blank check. I mentioned last year to try to trade him and you guys immediately shot it down. You guys still thought LTD could of gotten done with the guy. Don't start buttering up to the Alex Smith trade b/c you and others have been blasting the trade and Alex Smith's talent since it has been made.

Have you noticed how happy people seem to be leaving the Redskins this offseason?

Cousins, Fuller, Cravens, Murphy, even Long

they generally seem elated leaving this organization... even former players are chiming in Duke Iheancho tweeted at Cravens how much he will love playing for the Broncos organization.... seems like that was sort of a slight at the Skins... and probably warranted

 

[Sharkinva]

that is wrong b/c if you thought Bruce wanted him gone two years ago why didn't he try to trade him? The bottom line is KC wanted to hit FA and get paid. The Redskins didn't feel he was the savior and deserved a blank check. I mentioned last year to try to trade him and you guys immediately shot it down. You guys still thought LTD could of gotten done with the guy. Don't start buttering up to the Alex Smith trade b/c you and others have been blasting the trade and Alex Smith's talent since it has been made.

YOu think giving him the non exclusive tag was because he wanted to keep him?? Bruce much like you was trying to be greedy and get big returns for a player he really didnt want to keep.

BUt lets do the math ( I know not your strongest area)

Over the last six seasons Bruce in all his wisdom has thrown

Three 1st rnd picks
one 2nd rnd pick
two 3rd round picks
1 4th round pick
and one 6th round pick

at the QB position.... and for all that we got 34 year old Smith in return. I guess it sounds better if we also say they won the division twice as well.

 

[deanpet21]

YOu think giving him the non exclusive tag was because he wanted to keep him?? Bruce much like you was trying to be greedy and get big returns for a player he really didnt want to keep.

BUt lets do the math ( I know not your strongest area)

Over the last six seasons Bruce in all his wisdom has thrown

Three 1st rnd picks
one 2nd rnd pick
two 3rd round picks
1 4th round pick
and one 6th round pick

at the QB position.... and for all that we got 34 year old Smith in return. I guess it sounds better if we also say they won the division twice as well.

You still brining up the RG3 trade? lol. that was all Synder and Shanny on that one.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Not to start a war or anything, but thats kind of like asking people to admit why they really wanted Kirk gone.

But for the sake of answering the question.. you have

Dean
Coach
Chiller seems to be pretty good with the Bruce way of things.

and there has been entirely too much Hakuna Matata floating around after the whole Smith trade.

The only thing I will say about the Smith trade is that the outcome (at least for this season) is TBD. I have never seen a guy who did relatively well get badmouthed so much. No he is not Kirk Cousins or a guy a few years out of college. However he still might have a few good seasons left in him. Let's just wait and see how that works out before crucifying the guy.

 

[Sharkinva]

You still brining up the RG3 trade? lol. that was all Synder and Shanny on that one.

I still bring it up because that trade by Bruce and Dan, is what has brought us to the Alex Smith era ultimately.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

YOu think giving him the non exclusive tag was because he wanted to keep him?? Bruce much like you was trying to be greedy and get big returns for a player he really didnt want to keep.

BUt lets do the math ( I know not your strongest area)

Over the last six seasons Bruce in all his wisdom has thrown

Three 1st rnd picks
one 2nd rnd pick
two 3rd round picks
1 4th round pick
and one 6th round pick

at the QB position.... and for all that we got 34 year old Smith in return. I guess it sounds better if we also say they won the division twice as well.

Cmon - most of that damage was from the RG3 trade & we all acknowledge in hindsight it was a bad move & one that Snyder was going to make regardless of who was the GM. 6th rd pick - really? In most cases that doesn't turn out to be Brady but rather a throwaway.

BTW - 3 posters account for most of the opinions of this board? LOL. They are the extreme (if they even truly worship Allen as you state).

 

[Sharkinva]

The only thing I will say about the Smith trade is that the outcome (at least for this season) is TBD. I have never seen a guy who did relatively well get badmouthed so much. No he is not Kirk Cousins or a guy a few years out of college. However he still might have a few good seasons left in him. Let's just wait and see how that works out before crucifying the guy.

And I will say again. I wasnt a fan of Smith before we traded for him. I wont hope he does poorly, but Im also not jumping on the Alex band wagon either. I expect if the team can stay relatively healthy, he is good enough to get us ot 8-8 again. But to me that means we down graded at QB for all the wrong reasons.