Cravens to Broncos official

[Breed]

This trade A plus

Case in point^^^^^

 

[Rowdy]

You got something for nothing. Cravens wasn't going to be a Skin this year no matter what.

For Cravens, the Skins:
--moved up from 113 to 106
--moved up from 149 to 142
--received a 5th rd pick, 163
--received a conditional 2020 6th rd pick

The terms make it pretty clear that Cravens didn't have much value. Cravens was essentially traded for a 5th rd pick (163) an some spare change. Eh, I'd call it "ok" or "decent".

Same here. Not too bad of a gamble for the Broncos. The skins got something for a head case that just might need a new start

 

[Sharkinva]

Purely speculation Shark. No offense man, but you nor I have no idea what discussions took place. This we do know, Cravens has handled himself like an immature, confused person who is not ready to handle the daily stressors of life as it pertains to football business, relationships and the alike. Maybe one day he will really get the professional help he needs to sort out his thoughts that affect him on a daily basis.

Either way, he is a bronco now.

Thats the Redskins homer in you talking. And thats cool to be a homer. But let me ask you, when is the last time you just tweeted your boss and said I quit?? And if you have done this, did you not in some way make it known to your boss that you were not happy with the situation at work before hand??

Now if this were any other team we were talking about, I might be shocked. But not this one.

 

[Ritzarmy]

With all the swaps and extra 5th rounder we gained almost 45 points. That equates to a late 4th round pick. I was just hoping for a 4th. Was this deal done too early?

Should have waited till draft day I feel

 

[Sharkinva]

Scherff, Preston Smith, crowder, kyshoen jarret, doctson, sua, fuller, ionnidis is a pretty talented group of players in 2 drafts.

Does not hold a candle to the awesome levels of Talent Bruce has drafted and retained over the years.

Kerrigan.. oh wait that was Shanahans pick

OK never mind.

 

[Skins2021]

I'm not really sure how anyone in their right mind can cheer for the Skins at this point.

They are literally the sorriest ran & operated organization in professional sports.

What a clown show this team is.....

Is this a team you proudly take ownership of as a fan?

people like coach, dean, and that chiller dumbass really need to pull their heads out of their asses

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Scherff, Preston Smith, crowder, kyshoen jarret, doctson, sua, fuller, ionnidis is a pretty talented group of players in 2 drafts.

True as are Allen, Moreau, Perine, Rouillier & Harvey-Clemmons from the 2017 draft. Anderson is TBD but has a good chance of contributing.

All of these drafts involve some good & bad picks. As I have pointed out several times - the important thing is that the Skins are retaining most of their picks over the past several years (something that didn't happen prior to that). People need to look past their love/hate of Allen/Snyder & SM & look at these drafts objectively. They are all not perfect but have resulted in some good players.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm not really sure how anyone in their right mind can cheer for the Skins at this point.

They are literally the sorriest ran & operated organization in professional sports.

What a clown show this team is.....

Is this a team you proudly take ownership of as a fan?

people like coach, dean, and that chiller dumbass really need to pull their heads out of their asses

So please clarify - what should we as Redskins fans do at this pt? Cheer against the team. You apparently can't comprehend the fact that perhaps we as fans can acknowledge the problems for this team & also hate Allen/Snyder but still root for the team. What is wrong with that? Please - let's keep it civil - you don't need to name call & label me as an idiot. Just trying to understand your pt.

I do proudly call myself a Redskins fan & it has nothing to do with the ownership or front office. It has to do with being emotionally attached to this team for a long time & no owner, coach, player, media type or rival fan is EVER going to change that. If you see it differently - NP - again changing fan bases is never an option for me.

HTTR

 

[skinz2winz]

Thats the Redskins homer in you talking. And thats cool to be a homer. But let me ask you, when is the last time you just tweeted your boss and said I quit?? And if you have done this, did you not in some way make it known to your boss that you were not happy with the situation at work before hand??

Now if this were any other team we were talking about, I might be shocked. But not this one.

You damn right I'm a Redskin homer! WTF tweets their boss saying I quit? No one with any common sense does and while none of us knows what Cravens really struggles with on a day to day basis, it is Cravens who must initiate the recovery process in person, like a man. Again, we have no clue what discussions (football or personal) our FO has had with Cravens. It is likely this too was handled about the same way Cravens has handled the rest of the situation, poorly. You can play the blame game all you want Shark and beat the crap out of the Skins' FO but at the end of the day, this is a BUSINESS and should be run like one. Investment of money we really cannot fathom hinge on choices/decisions being made by immature young people like Cravens who in turn are affecting the very same people who are paying those millions to him. In this case, I'm fine with siding with the FO and moving Cravens. Look, we lose having spent a 2nd rounder on him because of his poor choices. It's that simple.

 

[deanpet21]

You got something for nothing. Cravens wasn't going to be a Skin this year no matter what.

For Cravens, the Skins:
--moved up from 113 to 106
--moved up from 149 to 142
--received a 5th rd pick, 163
--received a conditional 2020 6th rd pick

The terms make it pretty clear that Cravens didn't have much value. Cravens was essentially traded for a 5th rd pick (163) an some spare change. Eh, I'd call it "ok" or "decent".

I just thought he was worth a 4th with his age and contract. Cravens said he wasn't going to report to camp, maybe the Skins panicked and did the trade. I guess no other team was involved.

 

[deanpet21]

Should have waited till draft day I feel

I had the same idea. I felt we could of gotten more. The only reason why I think we did it now it b/c Cravens said he wasn't going to show up to camp.

 

[skinz2winz]

So please clarify - what should we as Redskins fans do at this pt? Cheer against the team. You apparently can't comprehend the fact that perhaps we as fans can acknowledge the problems for this team & also hate Allen/Snyder but still root for the team. What is wrong with that? Please - let's keep it civil - you don't need to name call & label me as an idiot. Just trying to understand your pt.

I do proudly call myself a Redskins fan & it has nothing to do with the ownership or front office. It has to do with being emotionally attached to this team for a long time & no owner, coach, player, media type or rival fan is EVER going to change that. If you see it differently - NP - again changing fan bases is never an option for me.

HTTR

 

[Skins2021]

So please clarify - what should we as Redskins fans do at this pt? Cheer against the team. You apparently can't comprehend the fact that perhaps we as fans can acknowledge the problems for this team & also hate Allen/Snyder but still root for the team. What is wrong with that? Please - let's keep it civil - you don't need to name call & label me as an idiot. Just trying to understand your pt.

I do proudly call myself a Redskins fan & it has nothing to do with the ownership or front office. It has to do with being emotionally attached to this team for a long time & no owner, coach, player, media type or rival fan is EVER going to change that. If you see it differently - NP - again changing fan bases is never an option for me.

HTTR

Unethical business practices - CHECK
Lack of respect for fan base - CHECK
Shitty product on the field - CHECK
Laughing stock of the league - CHECK
Arrogance level so high to understand you are losing fans and ruining (ruined) a once a proud organization and to not care enough to self evaluate and make changes - CHECK

Hate to break it to you.... Allen and Snyder are the team. Rooting for this team is supporting their ineptitude, practically rationalizing it to an extent.

Only thing that could make me proud of the "Redskins" as in t he idea of the Redskins, is if there was a fan wide boycott with <65% participation

Financially ruining Snyder. Leading to Bruce Allens dismissal and ultimate sale of the team.... I'd come back 200% waving a flag even if they went 0-16 because at least I would know they are taking the measures to do the right thing. Right now they are doing everything, but the right thing.

I really think the NFL should remove Snyder. Its really disgusting what he has done to this franchise in 20 years. This wouldnt be a new precedent as the NBA took measures in at what they viewed at the time the right thing to do to prevent a franchise from ruining itself.

 

[cdumler7]

The way I understand Cravens retiring is that it goes well beyond just concussions. He had suffered a couple of injuries and knew something was wrong. The team doctors told him everything was good to go and told him to get back on the field. He went to an independent doctor who told him he was much more hurt than he even realized and shouldn't trust those team doctors. So he became very leery of the Redskins organization and how they were taking care of him. Hard to want to put full effort into an organization when you don't think they care about you one bit.

 

[Sharkinva]

The way I understand Cravens retiring is that it goes well beyond just concussions. He had suffered a couple of injuries and knew something was wrong. The team doctors told him everything was good to go and told him to get back on the field. He went to an independent doctor who told him he was much more hurt than he even realized and shouldn't trust those team doctors. So he became very leery of the Redskins organization and how they were taking care of him. Hard to want to put full effort into an organization when you don't think they care about you one bit.

That seems to be a running theme with this team. But dont tell some people that.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Unethical business practices - CHECK
Lack of respect for fan base - CHECK
Shitty product on the field - CHECK
Laughing stock of the league - CHECK
Arrogance level so high to understand you are losing fans and ruining (ruined) a once a proud organization and to not care enough to self evaluate and make changes - CHECK

Hate to break it to you.... Allen and Snyder are the team. Rooting for this team is supporting their ineptitude, practically rationalizing it to an extent.

Only thing that could make me proud of the "Redskins" as in t he idea of the Redskins, is if there was a fan wide boycott with <65% participation

Financially ruining Snyder. Leading to Bruce Allens dismissal and ultimate sale of the team.... I'd come back 200% waving a flag even if they went 0-16 because at least I would know they are taking the measures to do the right thing. Right now they are doing everything, but the right thing.

I really think the NFL should remove Snyder. Its really disgusting what he has done to this franchise in 20 years. This wouldnt be a new precedent as the NBA took measures in at what they viewed at the time the right thing to do to prevent a franchise from ruining itself.

Those things are never going to happen & you know it. The NFL owners form one of the richest fraternities in the world & they rarely turn on each other so don't hold your breath waiting for Snyder to sell the team or get ousted as owner. Pretty much the same for Allen barring a Browns like collapse. As I have noted several times - Allen is a key figure in an eventual stadium relocation to VA so he will likely always have a role with this team & unfortunately like as GM for a while.

What part of hating Snyder/Allen didn't you get? I don't give a shit what other fans think of me as a Redskins fan or how they view this team. If that is an issue with you since you live in Philly - well - that is your problem.

And Allen/Snyder are NOT the team. They don't throw or catch passes, run the ball, tackle or block. When I am watching a Skins game I am not thinking of them (perhaps I am in the offseason or after a loss but I am not obsessed by them like some other here).

Oh well - agree to disagree - & I don't care what you post - I will remain a proud Redskins fan - proud of main fan allegiance - not the owner or FO.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

That seems to be a running theme with this team. But dont tell some people that.

Total copout & bullshit. There are tons of NFL players in less than ideal situations who give it their all. It is called a J-O-B. No different than you, me or anyone else. I do lots of things on my job that I don't like & where I am pissed with mgmt. Big deal - it is required to get things done & I get paid for it. You are sticking up for Cravens way too much in this situation. Not everything is Allen or Snyder's fault. There is a thing called accountability & players need to practice it even in tough situations.

 

[Sharkinva]

Total copout & bullshit. There are tons of NFL players in less than ideal situations who give it their all. It is called a J-O-B. No different than you, me or anyone else. I do lots of things on my job that I don't like & where I am pissed with mgmt. Big deal - it is required to get things done & I get paid for it. You are sticking up for Cravens way too much in this situation. Not everything is Allen or Snyder's fault. There is a thing called accountability & players need to practice it even in tough situations.

If this were an isolated incidence, I could see and understand all the hate and personal attacks against this kid. And yes he is still a kid. But this isnt the first player we have seen decide it wasnt worth it to be a Redskin, just the latest and apparently most active about it.

And for the record, Im not sticking up for him so much as pointing out that the dysfunction in Ashburn hasnt gone any where, they have just gotten better at hiding it.

 

[cdumler7]

Total copout & bullshit. There are tons of NFL players in less than ideal situations who give it their all. It is called a J-O-B. No different than you, me or anyone else. I do lots of things on my job that I don't like & where I am pissed with mgmt. Big deal - it is required to get things done & I get paid for it. You are sticking up for Cravens way too much in this situation. Not everything is Allen or Snyder's fault. There is a thing called accountability & players need to practice it even in tough situations.

I would say big difference between doing something you don't like in your job and that of not trusting them to actually care about your health. Players are much more informed on the health risks of the game these days and when they find out that the team doctors are putting your health at risk for a short term gain for the team then yeah I would have a problem with that.

I've had jobs do that before and knew I needed to walk away from those as quickly as possible because the long-term effects of such a job could destroy future opportunities.

 

[deanpet21]

The way I understand Cravens retiring is that it goes well beyond just concussions. He had suffered a couple of injuries and knew something was wrong. The team doctors told him everything was good to go and told him to get back on the field. He went to an independent doctor who told him he was much more hurt than he even realized and shouldn't trust those team doctors. So he became very leery of the Redskins organization and how they were taking care of him. Hard to want to put full effort into an organization when you don't think they care about you one bit.

skins moved up 7 spots in the 4th round.