Who is onboard for trading up for Barkley?

[SoCalWizFan]

Sure, No one knows for sure. The likelihood of this happening is very slim, assuming our FO would even want to consider this.

All I know is this, we have been rolling out hot garbage at RB for years now. Are there any guarantees that Barkley will stay healthy or be productive for the next decade? Of course not. But we have seen in the past years how a Todd Gurley, Zeke Elliott, Adrian Peterson, etc. can change a team. Sb is as much of a sure bet as any of those guys were. We could continue drafting guys in the 2nd-4th round, but we are much more likely to end up with more Fat Rob/Matt Jones guys than we are to get a David Johnson/Tyreek Hill.

And no. There have been no reports that we are actively trying to move up for him. But it’s no secret RB is high on our list. So should he fall a bit, a trade could be in play.

This draft is loaded w/ RB talent. Sure Barkley is the cream of the crop, but there are lots of other RBs who would be much better then any RBs the Skins have had in a very long time. Sure there have been guys like Elliot, Gurley & Fournette who have been high picks & very effective. However - there have also been guys like Bell, Hunt, McCoy & Kamara who have done just as much or more & were drafted in the 2nd & 3rd rds & later.

The guys you mention for the Skins were just bad picks or just avg RBs in the 1st place. That should not stop them from drafting quality RBs in the 2nd rd or beyond. I just take issue w/ trading up to get a RB. I don't even believe that it is warranted for a QB unless the guy is very special. No RB is worthy of trading 2 #1s (& more) since the injury factor makes this a huge risk.

Oh well - this trade is not even a remote possibility for the Redskins so it doesn't matter.

 

[deanpet21]

You still haven't addressed the fact that a RB is a bad investment that high and that trade ups are almost always bad ideas, making this a pretty bad plan.

Gurley, Elliot, and Fournette are bad investments?

 

[Sharkinva]

Gurley, Elliot, and Fournette are bad investments?

Which of those players did their respective team trade up to get??

 

[ehb5]

Gurley, Elliot, and Fournette are bad investments?

Theyre all good players. Their worth is up for debate.

Zeke has been as good as advertised and still wouldnt have been the best pick for Dallas. Ramsey is worth waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more.

Id take 5 of the following 8 picks after Fournette in the 2017 draft over him easily. Thats not good value.

Gurley is the only one who MIGHT have been justified...for one he was take at #10 rather than at #4 like Zeke and Fournette. Secondly, he was probably a better prospect than either of them so he was clearly a better value and therefore a far better value pick than the other 2. Barkley at 10 is much better (and a very different argument) than Barkley at 4. Thirdly, nobody in the next 10 picks can be argued is more valuable than Gurley except Marcus Peters at 18. Lastly, Gurley is the most talented of the 3 backs you named. All that is to say...Gurley at 10 clearly worked out well for the Rams, but for a lot of reasons seems to be more of the exception than the rule and most importantly, isnt really comparable to trading up for Barkley at 5.

So yes, trading up for Barkley at 5 is still a bad idea.

 

[deanpet21]

Theyre all good players. Their worth is up for debate.

Zeke has been as good as advertised and still wouldnt have been the best pick for Dallas. Ramsey is worth waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more.

Id take 5 of the following 8 picks after Fournette in the 2017 draft over him easily. Thats not good value.

Gurley is the only one who MIGHT have been justified...for one he was take at #10 rather than at #4 like Zeke and Fournette. Secondly, he was probably a better prospect than either of them so he was clearly a better value and therefore a far better value pick than the other 2. Barkley at 10 is much better (and a very different argument) than Barkley at 4. Thirdly, nobody in the next 10 picks can be argued is more valuable than Gurley except Marcus Peters at 18. Lastly, Gurley is the most talented of the 3 backs you named. All that is to say...Gurley at 10 clearly worked out well for the Rams, but for a lot of reasons seems to be more of the exception than the rule and most importantly, isnt really comparable to trading up for Barkley at 5.

So yes, trading up for Barkley at 5 is still a bad idea.

All three of those Rb's put our team in the playoffs. We have a good enough oline to let them shine. IMO the only reason why Dallas is relevant right now is b/c of Elliot. Just b/c you have draft picks doesn't mean those players taken will work out. There are a lot of busts. So IMO Barkley is a sure thing that would put our offense over the top that is why I feel its worth it to trade up if the opportunity becomes available.

Can you see Barkley slipping out of the top 4 picks?

 

[deanpet21]

Which of those players did their respective team trade up to get??

doesn't matter all these guys proved there worth to their respective teams.

 

[Sharkinva]

So IMO Barkley is a sure thing that would put our offense over the top that is why I feel its worth it to trade up if the opportunity becomes available.

How did the last cant miss player we traded up to get work out for us?? How many cant miss prospects that teams DIDNT trade up for have failed?? If he was there at 13, great make the pick. If we were picking in the top five and he is there where we pick, again great make the pick.

Trading up especially as it will likely cost alot more than you speculate.. because draft day trades always tend to cost more, sorry he simply isnt worth it.

 

[ehb5]

All three of those Rb's put our team in the playoffs. We have a good enough oline to let them shine. IMO the only reason why Dallas is relevant right now is b/c of Elliot. Just b/c you have draft picks doesn't mean those players taken will work out. There are a lot of busts. So IMO Barkley is a sure thing that would put our offense over the top that is why I feel its worth it to trade up if the opportunity becomes available.

Can you see Barkley slipping out of the top 4 picks?

Lol, thats not true. Those 3 RBs happened to play for playoff teams. Dallas would be wayyyy better off with Ramsey. Jacksonville woud be wayyy better off with a handful of players they could have had instead. The Rams didnt make the playoffs with Gurley until his 3rd year and it had a lot to do with them finally having a competent QB and great coaching. Selling the RBs as the key piece on any of those teams is false.

Dallas would be much more relevant if they had an average RB and Jalen Ramsey instead. Then they might be onto something.

The fact that prospects bust isnt relevant to whether or not a RB in the top 5 is a good idea. RBs bust too. Coming from the biggest Barkley fan on the planet...if you think hes a sure thing you must have just started following the NFL yesterday. Barkley could bust just like every other player you could take with that pick.

Yes I can see him slipping outside the top 4 picks. Not sure it will happen, but its possible.

 

[ehb5]

doesn't matter all these guys proved there worth to their respective teams.

Great QB > Great RB
Great WR > Great RB
Great OLman > Great RB
Great DLman > Great RB
Great Edge rusher > Great RB
Great CB > Great RB
Great S > Great RB

Its that simple.

Oh. And trading up rarely works.

 

[Ruzious]

The only way I see Barkley slipping past 4 is if Cleveland trades that pick - presumably to a team that wants to pick a QB with the 4th pick. I think he'll do great in Cleveland, and they could rebuild very quickly.

 

[skinsdad62]

i am sure SB is looking forward to running behind kujo at LG

 

[deanpet21]

Lol, thats not true. Those 3 RBs happened to play for playoff teams. Dallas would be wayyyy better off with Ramsey. Jacksonville woud be wayyy better off with a handful of players they could have had instead. The Rams didnt make the playoffs with Gurley until his 3rd year and it had a lot to do with them finally having a competent QB and great coaching. Selling the RBs as the key piece on any of those teams is false.

Dallas would be much more relevant if they had an average RB and Jalen Ramsey instead. Then they might be onto something.

The fact that prospects bust isnt relevant to whether or not a RB in the top 5 is a good idea. RBs bust too. Coming from the biggest Barkley fan on the planet...if you think hes a sure thing you must have just started following the NFL yesterday. Barkley could bust just like every other player you could take with that pick.

Yes I can see him slipping outside the top 4 picks. Not sure it will happen, but its possible.

Of course any player could bust not debating that. Elliot makes Dak the QB that he is. Elliot is the most important piece in that offense. Barkley actually has a higher draft grade than Elliot. RB's can make an impact. I disagree with you

 

[ehb5]

Of course any player could bust not debating that. Elliot makes Dak the QB that he is. Elliot is the most important piece in that offense. Barkley actually has a higher draft grade than Elliot. RB's can make an impact. I disagree with you

Of course RBs can make an impact. But pretty much every other position makes a bigger one.

 

[deanpet21]

Of course RBs can make an impact. But pretty much every other position makes a bigger one.

How? As of right now Elliot has made a bigger impact than Ramsey. Players who score points usually make the bigger impact on a team. Im not saying Ramsey isn't a good player but to have an opportunity to get an immediate impact usually comes from the RB position.


You say trading up for a Rb is stupid. But what if we get Barkley and only give up a 2nd round pick? You call that stupid? I don't understand how getting an impact offensive player is a bad idea.

 

[ehb5]

How? As of right now Elliot has made a bigger impact than Ramsey. Players who score points usually make the bigger impact on a team. Im not saying Ramsey isn't a good player but to have an opportunity to get an immediate impact usually comes from the RB position.


You say trading up for a Rb is stupid. But what if we get Barkley and only give up a 2nd round pick? You call that stupid? I don't understand how getting an impact offensive player is a bad idea.

No he hasnt. Thats ridiculous.

Ramsey is probably one of the 10 most valuable players in the NFL when you consider age, position, cost, and talent.

Well thats an unrealistic trade. We arent moving up 8 spots for a 2nd rounder. But no I dont really think using a 1st and a 2nd on any RB is worth it.

 

[deanpet21]

No he hasnt. Thats ridiculous.

Ramsey is probably one of the 10 most valuable players in the NFL when you consider age, position, cost, and talent.

Well thats an unrealistic trade. We arent moving up 8 spots for a 2nd rounder. But no I dont really think using a 1st and a 2nd on any RB is worth it.

If he falls down to pick 6 or 7 maybe a 2nd rounder does it. You still wouldn't do it??? wow. Im not saying Ramsey isn't valuable but he hasn't made the impact like Elliot has done already. Plus he makes his QB a whole lot better by him being on the field. Of course the Cb position is important but for immediate impact its RB.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Great QB > Great RB
Great WR > Great RB
Great OLman > Great RB
Great DLman > Great RB
Great Edge rusher > Great RB
Great CB > Great RB
Great S > Great RB

Its that simple.

Oh. And trading up rarely works.

Agree. Also - don't forget the injury factor. All the other positions you mention include players who play effectively well into their 30s. You rarely see a RB who contributes past the age of 30. RB is more vulnerable to injury than any position on the field & this can even include their first few years in the NFL. There are no guarantees that this can't happen to any RB including Barkley.

 

[ehb5]

If he falls down to pick 6 or 7 maybe a 2nd rounder does it. You still wouldn't do it??? wow. Im not saying Ramsey isn't valuable but he hasn't made the impact like Elliot has done already. Plus he makes his QB a whole lot better by him being on the field. Of course the Cb position is important but for immediate impact its RB.

You keep saying these things but they arent true.

Ramsey is more valuable. He makes more of an impact every game. For immediate impact its CB. CB is way more important and Ramsey is at least as good a CB as Zeke is a RB. Ramsey makes the other teams QB worse by a hell of a lot more than Zeke makes his QB better.

Id be shocked if 6 or 7 goes for #13 and a 2.

 

[skinsdad62]

dean you were absolutely sure someone would give us 2 1st rounders for KC . how'd that end up ?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

RBs make more impact than CBs? LOL. Please tell me any RB in Redskins history (including Riggins) who had more impact on the team than Darrell Green? Not to mention that Green did this for 20 years - can any RB say they contributed for anywhere near this amt of time?

You could make the same case for lots of other CBs both past & present. BTW - the Redskins certainly spent a lot of money in free agency on that position a few years ago.