Quick thoughts....Post Philly game.

[Stymietee]

For as much as I would like to, I cannot blame this loss on injuries. Give them credit, Philadelphia is just a better team than we are. Sure the injuries hurt us, but this is professional football and when you lose a starter, the next guy up isn't some scrub in cleats, they get paid to perform when called upon too.


Kirk Cousins is no Carson Wentz! Now that might seem like a dig at Kirk but unless you're completely biased you'll agree that for as good as Kirk, is he requires a better than average support cast and things to go well to be successful. This however, is not about Kirk, but more about Wentz, and what he brings to the game relatively speaking. Please don't respond with Kirks stats in this one, Kirk played hard and they (his stats) were impressive, but As @Sharkinva has repeatedly posted time and again, you can't help to wonder if Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen aren't marveling at a player like Wentz and saying...."I/we want one of those"

Defensively, we've got a lot of work to do on this side of the ball. We seem to still lack top of the line speed at linebacker and in the defensive backfield. Missed tackles are still an issue

We need WR's, and I wonder what the decision was that kept Pryor on the sideline for half of the game. If he's not producing then some of that blame has to go to him first, then to the coaches who might have benefitted from watching what he was able to do before and duplicating that. Sure, Pryor is still learning to play through the tougher catches (into traffic) that Gruden wants from him, but in fairness that should have been worked on in camp. I did see some promising things from J. Doctson though.

Chris Thompson is far and away the best running back on this team, he has the quickness and elusiveness that's required but lacks the size. The primary running back that J.Gruden's offense needs is not currently on this team.

We are not out of it, but our road got a lot tougher with this loss. A division title is as of now a remote possibility, the wild card battle is going to take a lot fewer mental errors and more mistake free football to get us there.

 

[gkekoa]

We miss Jonathan Allen already.

We miss Josh Norman.

DJ was very bad.

Galette needs to go.

How many drops did Pryor have? I can't believe I wanted this guy here. What a fucking moron.

 

[Sportster 72]

I have no idea what game you were watching when it comes to Cousin's performance Monday Sty. Not shocked but no idea. 3 TDs, 300 yards passing, 75% completion rate for the game.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

i did not watch all of the game i went to bed early im fixing to go to work kirk puts up good stats and still lose thats weird all i can say is we are 3-3 with a 24-30 mill dollar qb why you can get a solid rookie or a back up to give you 3-3

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

now if they resign kirk i will not bitch but signing kirk for that much 24-30 mill a year is a CERRATO Move kirk does not make us better wentz rogers dak etc make there team better and raiders will regret signing Carr but at 3-3 we can still go 14-3 wait and see

 

[j_y19]

I have no idea what game you were watching when it comes to Cousin's performance Monday Sty. Not shocked but no idea. 3 TDs, 300 yards passing, 75% completion rate for the game.

I agree. KC is the only reason we were even in that game. He once again is making plays out of nothing. This was the knock on him coming into the season. He couldn't produce when plays break down. Well, he has done it almost every game in the last 4. If I remember correctly, this was Sty's biggest complaint about KC. Now it is he needs a supporting cast. IF by that he means that he needs a offensive line and one or two capable WRs, then yes, he needs a supporting cast. But so does every QB in the league, including Wentz.

Now if he means that Wentz is going to be a great QB in the league, I'm sold. But from what I have seen of KC, I will gladly take him as our QB to build a team around. He is not the issue with this team and will not hold us back from making, and succeeding in the playoffs.

 

[Stymietee]

I have no idea what game you were watching when it comes to Cousin's performance Monday Sty. Not shocked but no idea. 3 TDs, 300 yards passing, 75% completion rate for the game.

This was NOT about Cousins, said so in the post, it was about Wentz, Snyder and Allen. Even included a request to not post his stats because as I wrote, they were impressive. Honestly, did you actually read the post?

 

[Stymietee]

I agree. KC is the only reason we were even in that game. He once again is making plays out of nothing. This was the knock on him coming into the season. He couldn't produce when plays break down. Well, he has done it almost every game in the last 4. If I remember correctly, this was Sty's biggest complaint about KC. Now it is he needs a supporting cast. IF by that he means that he needs a offensive line and one or two capable WRs, then yes, he needs a supporting cast. But so does every QB in the league, including Wentz.

Now if he means that Wentz is going to be a great QB in the league, I'm sold. But from what I have seen of KC, I will gladly take him as our QB to build a team around. He is not the issue with this team and will not hold us back from making, and succeeding in the playoffs.

If might be helpful to read what I actually wrote, said that his numbers were impressive and that it was not a dig at Kirk, but more of a Snyder infatuation view of Carson Wentz. Let me ask, what are you guys reading??

 

[j_y19]

If might be helpful to read what I actually wrote, said that his numbers were impressive and that it was not a dig at Kirk, but more of a Snyder infatuation view of Carson Wentz. Let me ask, what are you guys reading??

Then why did you mention KC at all? Because it sure appears that your post was a subterfuge dig at KC........especially your comment about "needing a supporting cast". If your point was about our FO and landing a QB like Wentz, then it was probably best to just leave KC out of it all together. Oh, and I would have agreed with your post if that was how it was written.

Sty, we all know you have never been sold on KC. Its no secret. Your praise of him is always couched with a qualifier. I have never seen (doesn't mean it hasn't happened) you post a positive message on KC with out some sort of slight dig also. SO when you post something like this, most of us read into it what you typically post on KC. I.E.....good, but not good enough.

 

[Stymietee]

Then why did you mention KC at all? Because it sure appears that your post was a subterfuge dig at KC........especially your comment about "needing a supporting cast". If your point was about our FO and landing a QB like Wentz, then it was probably best to just leave KC out of it all together. Oh, and I would have agreed with your post if that was how it was written.

Sty, we all know you have never been sold on KC. Its no secret. Your praise of him is always couched with a qualifier. I have never seen (doesn't mean it hasn't happened) you post a positive message on KC with out some sort of slight dig also. SO when you post something like this, most of us read into it what you typically post on KC. I.E.....good, but not good enough.

I did so because whether you believe it or not.....IT'S TRUE!! Kirk does indeed need a strong supporting cast, always have, but that's NOT the point in this. I don't care what his stats are or were there were/are things that Wentz and Dak can do that Kirk simply cannot. That is the point of this and if you add to that the Dan Snyder factor, you should see that @Sharkinva hit the target dead center.

Sold on Kirk? Let's test that, how many here have said that he needs better receivers? How about a running game? Better yet, I have yet to see ONE (1) post or anybody else, proclaiming Kirk elite, even when his numbers are exactly that. WHY?

Good but not good enough....exactly!!, Maybe you and a few others have missed it, but, I've also written on numerous occasions about always being in upgrade mode to include QB. It is NOT a fact that right now....RIGHT NOW.... there's an entire thread concerned with draftable QB's. Why isn't that some sort of subversive dig at Kirk?

So, Now I'm wrong or not sold on him when I say this shit, yeah right! That's some rich shit there! Know why I couch the praise of him with a qualifier? Because he's NOT the type of player that can put a team on his shoulders and win games. I mentioned him because I gave perspective readers the benefit of doubt in being able to read and understand what they had just read. My mistake!

 

[Sportster 72]

For as much as I would like to, I cannot blame this loss on injuries. Give them credit, Philadelphia is just a better team than we are. Sure the injuries hurt us, but this is professional football and when you lose a starter, the next guy up isn't some scrub in cleats, they get paid to perform when called upon too.


Kirk Cousins is no Carson Wentz! Now that might seem like a dig at Kirk but unless you're completely biased you'll agree that for as good as Kirk, is he requires a better than average support cast and things to go well to be successful. This however, is not about Kirk, but more about Wentz, and what he brings to the game relatively speaking. Please don't respond with Kirks stats in this one, Kirk played hard and they (his stats) were impressive, but As @Sharkinva has repeatedly posted time and again, you can't help to wonder if Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen aren't marveling at a player like Wentz and saying...."I/we want one of those"

Defensively, we've got a lot of work to do on this side of the ball. We seem to still lack top of the line speed at linebacker and in the defensive backfield. Missed tackles are still an issue

We need WR's, and I wonder what the decision was that kept Pryor on the sideline for half of the game. If he's not producing then some of that blame has to go to him first, then to the coaches who might have benefitted from watching what he was able to do before and duplicating that. Sure, Pryor is still learning to play through the tougher catches (into traffic) that Gruden wants from him, but in fairness that should have been worked on in camp. I did see some promising things from J. Doctson though.

Chris Thompson is far and away the best running back on this team, he has the quickness and elusiveness that's required but lacks the size. The primary running back that J.Gruden's offense needs is not currently on this team.

We are not out of it, but our road got a lot tougher with this loss. A division title is as of now a remote possibility, the wild card battle is going to take a lot fewer mental errors and more mistake free football to get us there.

I actually read the post Sty: "Kirk Cousins is no Carson Wentz" Like coach and some other fans you couch every loss with well Cousin's is average, anyone can do this. These are the words of a fan. I know why you don't want stats, because they don't support your failed theory.

Now if your point and I said this earlier that Dan and Bruce will screw this up, that is entirely possible. But otherwise Cousin's supporting cast got worse this year not better and so far he has played better.

 

[redskin4209]

Quick thoughts....Post Philly game

What we have here is a team that cannot make the big plays at important situations during the game.. Remember the KC game, Doctson unable to catch the ball. What about the first Philly game etc. Last night our achilles heel was stopping the Eagles on 3rd down. More importantly the incredible play by Wentz in the 4th quarter, it was again 3rd down. We needed a stop there with the score 24-17. Another 3rd down inside the 10, Wentz makes another pass to the RB for TD, needed a stop there a FG. There were other 3rd downs also. We are awful on 3rd downs defensively. The OFF also failed on important 3rd downs. A few 3rd and short, I felt we shoulda ran the ball. Now there other reasons but 3rd down on both side of the ball our Skins just can't make the big play. This will be our one of our achilles heel for the whole 2017 season.

 

[j_y19]

I did so because whether you believe it or not.....IT'S TRUE!! Kirk does indeed need a strong supporting cast, always have, but that's NOT the point in this. I don't care what his stats are or were there were/are things that Wentz and Dak can do that Kirk simply cannot. That is the point of this and if you add to that the Dan Snyder factor, you should see that @Sharkinva hit the target dead center.

Sold on Kirk? Let's test that, how many here have said that he needs better receivers? How about a running game? Better yet, I have yet to see ONE (1) post or anybody else, proclaiming Kirk elite, even when his numbers are exactly that. WHY?

Good but not good enough....exactly!!, Maybe you and a few others have missed it, but, I've also written on numerous occasions about always being in upgrade mode to include QB. It is NOT a fact that right now....RIGHT NOW.... there's an entire thread concerned with draftable QB's. Why isn't that some sort of subversive dig at Kirk?

So, Now I'm wrong or not sold on him when I say this shit, yeah right! That's some rich shit there! Know why I couch the praise of him with a qualifier? Because he's NOT the type of player that can put a team on his shoulders and win games. I mentioned him because I gave perspective readers the benefit of doubt in being able to read and understand what they had just read. My mistake!

What strong supporting cast does KC have this year??? No running game. No WRs. An Oft injured, but talented TE. A beaten OL. And yet he still produces. We must have watched 2 different games last night. KC was the only reason we were even fairly close in that game.

 

[Stymietee]

I actually read the post Sty: "Kirk Cousins is no Carson Wentz" Like coach and some other fans you couch every loss with well Cousin's is average, anyone can do this. These are the words of a fan. I know why you don't want stats, because they don't support your failed theory.

Now if your point and I said this earlier that Dan and Bruce will screw this up, that is entirely possible. But otherwise Cousin's supporting cast got worse this year not better and so far he has played better.

What's NOT true about that statement (Cousins is no Wentz)

I know that you want to pretend that you know EVERY post that I have written is couched in an "average" dig at Kirk, but I defy you to back that up. Do the search in the last two years and find one time that I haven't said that Kirk is a "pretty good" QB or take it back.

I get it, people want to turn this into a Kirk Cousins hate fest when it was clearly a rationale why Dan Snyder/ Bruce Allen haven't signed the guy thus far thread. It was also not a Dan and Bruce will screw this up thread, they have already done that! right?

This has turned into a hating Kirk thread because some readers can't don't or won't understand that a predicate sentence relates to the subject. In this case the answer to the question....Why will they screw this up?

It is actually a shame that some would rather nit pick what's written, instead of appreciating what's written in context. It's my mistake in giving too much credit to some who have shown a propensity to do this time and again. I'll certainly be more careful with my posts from here out.

 

[Stymietee]

The goal is winni

What strong supporting cast does KC have this year??? No running game. No WRs. An Oft injured, but talented TE. A beaten OL. And yet he still produces. We must have watched 2 different games last night. KC was the only reason we were even fairly close in that game.

The goal is winning a SB, not producing.....You play to win the game__Herm Edwards!

 

[j_y19]

The goal is winni


The goal is winning a SB, not producing.....You play to win the game__Herm Edwards!

Exactly! So how about we focus on those areas not producing at a premium level?

 

[Stymietee]

What strong supporting cast does KC have this year??? No running game. No WRs. An Oft injured, but talented TE. A beaten OL. And yet he still produces. We must have watched 2 different games last night. KC was the only reason we were even fairly close in that game.

That's the point isn't it?

I'm now convinced that both Dan and Bruce want a Dak or Carson and would be thrilled to get a Brady or early on P. Manning. Statistically, Kirk measures up, but he's no difference maker like the aforementioned players. This answers the question that we have spent thousands of posts debating here relating to not having signed the guy by now.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's the point isn't it?

I'm now convinced that both Dan and Bruce want a Dak or Carson and would be thrilled to get a Brady or early on P. Manning. Statistically, Kirk measures up, but he's no difference maker like the aforementioned players. This answers the question that we have spent thousands of posts debating here relating to not having signed the guy by now.

While I would never wish injury on a player.. part of me was hoping Kirks wife would have gone into Labor at 11:30 on a Sunday morning, week 3. Just so that we could have started Colt McCoy so that Dan, Bruce, Dean and all the world could have actually seen that while Cousins isnt flashy like Newton, wasnt a First rounder like Wentz, and didnt marry a Super Model like Brady or Wilson....

Cousins is a difference maker.

 

[Stymietee]

Exactly! So how about we focus on those areas not producing at a premium level?

....because unless and until we're settled at QB, and we're not, that question will always be the top concern. I get building the team to a championship level, that's being done, but pretending that the QB position is settled in order to "focus" on other areas is ridiculous.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

a good qb makes everybody better kirk has not made anybody better he just throws nothing more..