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[Yo Tee]

A "Poor" Dallas team? STFU and get lost douchebag

Fucking hell man. The name calling just for an opinion, again? Deja vu.

Anyway yeah, a poor Dallas team. They are not the Cowboys of last year. 14th in offense, 26th in defense. Injuries are plaguing them on defense, especially in the secondary. Teams now have tape on Zeke and Dak so they are prepared for what they got. Zeke has 3.5 yards per carry. They are not that good right now. Not saying that won't change, but right now, the Cowboys are not good.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

On paper, the Rams defense is probably one of the most talented in the league. They can't aren't putting it together on the field. If the offense keeps playing the way they are, the defense will have no choice but to at least step up a little bit.

I've seen Brockers, Donald, etc perform well against the run as individuals. Again, it's not a talent thing. It's a performance issue yes, but I would avoid calling them the worst given the talent that is there.

 

[Kevin12773]

Fucking hell man. The name calling just for an opinion, again? Deja vu.

Anyway yeah, a poor Dallas team. They are not the Cowboys of last year. 14th in offense, 26th in defense. Injuries are plaguing them on defense, especially in the secondary. Teams now have tape on Zeke and Dak so they are prepared for what they got. Zeke has 3.5 yards per carry. They are not that good right now. Not saying that won't change, but right now, the Cowboys are not good.

Yes I can't wait for your next brilliant opinion

 

[Yo Tee]

I've seen Brockers, Donald, etc perform well against the run as individuals. Again, it's not a talent thing. It's a performance issue yes, but I would avoid calling them the worst given the talent that is there.

Statistically, they are one of the worst. There is simply no denying that. If you wanna look at them on the field, yeah, they have bright spots. But so does every other defense in the league. You can't allow 26 points per game every game and be a good defense. Almost 5 rushing yards per carry, 29th in the NFL. 7 rushing TDs allowed, worst in the league. They have a decent pass defense, but their rush defense is so bad it averages out.

 

[Yo Tee]

Yes I can't wait for your next brilliant opinion

Good job adding to the conversation. Some stellar in depth analysis right there!

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Statistically, they are one of the worst. There is simply no denying that. If you wanna look at them on the field, yeah, they have bright spots. But so does every other defense in the league. You can't allow 26 points per game every game and be a good defense. Almost 5 rushing yards per carry, 29th in the NFL. 7 rushing TDs allowed, worst in the league. They have a decent pass defense, but their rush defense is so bad it averages out.

Right- I am pretty versed and put a lot of stock in data. I wasn't trolling when I was arguing Dak>Carr earlier in the offseason; ok I kinda was but it's true, darn it.

What I would emphasize again is that there is a lot of a talent. That is a team in the midst of an enormous deal of transition on both sides of the ball in terms of scheme, and the defense is coming out of the maligned Gregg Williams D. I would put very little stock in what they do on defense early in the season. The productive value of the run D is quite clearly bad, but projecting future production I don't think it's wise to suggest a D with Truman Johnson, Brockers, Aaron Donald, and Quinn is just going to be outright terrible when it was a pretty average group even last year. Making any sweeping conclusions this early into the year unless you're 0-4 or 4-0 is just a guy talking for the sake of talking if we're being perfectly honest. Look at the two halves in yesterday's game with the Cowboys for instance. Very jekyll and hyde.

 

[Stymietee]

Statistically, they are one of the worst. There is simply no denying that. If you wanna look at them on the field, yeah, they have bright spots. But so does every other defense in the league. You can't allow 26 points per game every game and be a good defense. Almost 5 rushing yards per carry, 29th in the NFL. 7 rushing TDs allowed, worst in the league. They have a decent pass defense, but their rush defense is so bad it averages out.

Let me ask....with the advent of rules that allow for more offensive production, what would NOW be a reasonable baseline in terms of passing/running yards allowed?

 

[Yo Tee]

Right- I am pretty versed and put a lot of stock in data. I wasn't trolling when I was arguing Dak>Carr earlier in the offseason; ok I kinda was but it's true, darn it.

What I would emphasize again is that there is a lot of a talent. That is a team in the midst of an enormous deal of transition on both sides of the ball in terms of scheme, and the defense is coming out of the maligned Gregg Williams D. I would put very little stock in what they do on defense early in the season. The productive value of the run D is quite clearly bad, but projecting future production I don't think it's wise to suggest a D with Truman Johnson, Brockers, Aaron Donald, and Quinn is just going to be outright terrible when it was a pretty average group even last year. Making any sweeping conclusions this early into the year unless you're 0-4 or 4-0 is just a guy talking for the sake of talking if we're being perfectly honest. Look at the two halves in yesterday's game with the Cowboys for instance. Very jekyll and hyde.

Who is projecting future production? I haven't said that the Rams suck now and will continue to suck for the rest of the season, I've been saying that right now, they are bad. One of the worst. I'm not making predictions, I'm just stating the facts. At this point, after Week 4, scoring points on the ground against the Rams defense is one of the easiest things to do right now in the NFL. Their defense might change and like I said, if the offense keeps producing the way they are, the defense has no choice but to step up if they want to be a legit playoff contender. But right now, scoring points on a 29th ranked defense is not impressive. Stopping the #1 ranked offense, now that's impressive and that's what the Redskins and Redskins fans should be happy and impressed about.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Who is projecting future production? I haven't said that the Rams suck now and will continue to suck for the rest of the season, I've been saying that right now, they are bad. One of the worst. I'm not making predictions, I'm just stating the facts. At this point, after Week 4, scoring points on the ground against the Rams defense is one of the easiest things to do right now in the NFL. Their defense might change and like I said, if the offense keeps producing the way they are, the defense has no choice but to step up if they want to be a legit playoff contender. But right now, scoring points on a 29th ranked defense is not impressive. Stopping the #1 ranked offense, now that's impressive and that's what the Redskins and Redskins fans should be happy and impressed about.

If the stats you are citing have low predictive value, then how worthwhile is citing them really?

 

[Stymietee]

That was not aimed at @Terry Rode , but to the group responding to this conversation. (Apologies Terry Rode)

So let me ask again, as I should have done originally:

....with the advent of rules that allow for more offensive production, what would NOW be a reasonable baseline in terms of passing/running yards allowed?

With a reasonable baseline, isn't it possible that what we are trying to evaluate is actually a good or bad defense depending on that baseline?

 

[Yo Tee]

Let me ask....with the advent of rules that allow for more offensive production, what would NOW be a reasonable baseline in terms of passing/running yards allowed?

In my opinion, holding a team to under 4.0 ypc is good for a defense. Close to 5 ypc is just unacceptable because that means a team can run on your defense for two plays and get a first down. At least with under 4 yards a carry, you may force a team to throw on 3rd down to pick up those extra 2-3 yards. In this league, throwing for under 200 yards is bad for a QB. Also, throwing for under 4,000 yards in a season isn't impressive either. I would say averaging between 200 and 250 passing yards per game is acceptable. Right now, the Rams are at 216.2 passing yards per game. Just look at the Panthers offense when Cam throws for under 200. Radio stations over here were questioning if this offense was ever gonna wake up. Cam throws for over 300 yards yesterday and gets probably the most important regular season win in a long time for the Panthers.

 

[Yo Tee]

If the stats you are citing have low predictive value, then how worthwhile is citing them really?

The argument was that the Rams have a good defense and the Redskins are their only loss to the Redskins beat a good defense so the Redskins are really good. My argument to that was literally, "Right now, the Rams have the one of the worst defenses in the league when it comes to PPG and against the running game." No predictions were made, no future implications were hinted at. I simply said that the Redskins didn't beat a good defense, they stopped a very good offense.

 

[skinsdad62]

Okay. So now it's your turn to listen since you wanna take it there. The Rams defense is one of the worst in the league when it comes to PPG and against the running game. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. That's what I've been saying all along and a win against a poor Dallas team does not make the Rams DEFENSE automatically one of the best. The offense, on the other hand, is amazing and the offense has carried that team to the 3-1 record. With that said, the Redskins fans should be so proud of their defense to hold the Rams to 20 points. The Rams defense, after that game against Dallas, went from 26th to 28th in PPG and they are now 29th or 30th against the run, depending on if you are looking at total rushing yards allowed or rushing yards per game allowed.

i said DLINE , not defense and your response in post 19 indicates you know what i am talking about

 

[Yo Tee]

i said DLINE , not defense and your response in post 19 indicates you know what i am talking about

I'm not going all the way back to post 19. So, the entire defense as a whole sucks. The secondary is much better than the defensive line, but as a whole, the Rams defense is one of the worst right now. There is no denying that. The defense can have all the great talented names it wants but that doesn't help them when they are allowing more than 26 points per game. The talent on paper is not translating on the field as of yet.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm not going all the way back to post 19. So, the entire defense as a whole sucks. The secondary is much better than the defensive line, but as a whole, the Rams defense is one of the worst right now. There is no denying that. The defense can have all the great talented names it wants but that doesn't help them when they are allowing more than 26 points per game. The talent on paper is not translating on the field as of yet.

it isnt that hard terry i said d/line was one of the best and you questioned that . you said that game didnt count as a good game for our o/line because the rams d/line wasnt one of the best . that was where the debate started until the goal posts were moved

 

[Yo Tee]

it isnt that hard terry i said d/line was one of the best and you questioned that . you said that game didnt count as a good game for our o/line because the rams d/line wasnt one of the best . that was where the debate started until the goal posts were moved

You're right, it isn't that hard which is why I'm struggling to understand why you're not getting it. I've been saying all along the defense sucks. You can say d/line, you can say defense, either way, they still suck. What's so hard to understand? I've been saying the same thing for days now. Rams defense sucks. Horrible against the run. What has changed? in what I've been saying?

 

[skinsdad62]

You're right, it isn't that hard which is why I'm struggling to understand why you're not getting it. I've been saying all along the defense sucks. You can say d/line, you can say defense, either way, they still suck. What's so hard to understand? I've been saying the same thing for days now. Rams defense sucks. Horrible against the run. What has changed? in what I've been saying?

do i need to go and quote everything you said . i said the D?LINE is one of the best . that was MY statement and you disagreed and then moved the goal posts

 

[Yo Tee]

do i need to go and quote everything you said . i said the D?LINE is one of the best . that was MY statement and you disagreed and then moved the goal posts

And I’m telling you that you’re wrong and have been telling you that the whole time. The defense, d-line, whatever you wanna call it, it sucks and sucks worse against the run.

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[Yo Tee]

I guess no avatar change...

But on a serious note, penalties and injuries killed that game for you guys.