2017 NBA Offseason Thread

[Shaqdaddy11]

From a salary cap perspective and growth to the team, he was a hindrance.

He had been from the moment Shaq left.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

There were no better options. Nobody was coming to the Lakers with an ageing Kobe running the show.

The recent mistakes Mitch made was the signing/trading for Nash and Dwight and the signing of Deng and Mosgov. The latter screwed things up so bad Jeannie didn't have a choice.

Mitch was a fantastic GM though.

Tell me something

Besides Pau Gasol - what other large agents did Mitch sign?

Shaq and Kobe came from Jerry West work. I think Mitch quite possibly had an easy ride because of Kobe.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Tell me something

Besides Pau Gasol - what other large agents did Mitch sign?

Shaq and Kobe came from Jerry West work. I think Mitch quite possibly had an easy ride because of Kobe.

Not including Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Steve Nash and Dwight?

Ron Artest: The reason the Lakers won Game 7 of the 2010 Finals

oh, and Chris Paul....

 

[Shanemansj13]

Then why did he go to cleveland?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Not including Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Steve Nash and Dwight?

Ron Artest: The reason the Lakers won Game 7 of the 2010 Finals

oh, and Chris Paul....

Those signings came because they wanted to play with Kobe - and Shaq in Karl and Gary's case. Had nothing to do with Mitch as a gm. They would have signed if you had been the gm. Same thing with Ron Artest. Chris Paul didn't sign with the Lakers - He did ask to be traded to the Lakers, but because he wanted to play with Kobe. Without Kobe as the attraction, Not saying Mitch was a bad gm, but wasn't that spectacular either and quite possibly Jim Buss was running the show. It's been well documented that Mitch was not a typical gm. I agree we could have done worse - like Phil Jackson

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

That was ages ago. Looking back at the glory days are we?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Those signings came because they wanted to play with Kobe - and Shaq in Karl and Gary's case. Had nothing to do with Mitch as a gm. They would have signed if you had been the gm. Same thing with Ron Artest. Chris Paul didn't sign with the Lakers - He did ask to be traded to the Lakers, but because he wanted to play with Kobe. Without Kobe as the attraction, Not saying Mitch was a bad gm, but wasn't that spectacular either and quite possibly Jim Buss was running the show. It's been well documented that Mitch was not a typical gm. I agree we could have done worse - like Phil Jackson

Artest hated Kobe before he joined the Lakers. The team needed a good defensive player and Mitch managed to convince him to sign - DESPITE Kobe.

And the Cp3 trade got vetoed by Stern but Mitch still orchestrated it. He also got Gasol for Kwame Brown and a bag of Funyuns.

Yes he was a spectacular GM.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Artest hated Kobe before he joined the Lakers. The team needed a good defensive player and Mitch managed to convince him to sign - DESPITE Kobe.

And the Cp3 trade got vetoed by Stern but Mitch still orchestrated it. He also got Gasol for Kwame Brown and a bag of Funyuns.

Yes he was a spectacular GM.

If the Lakers agreed with you - they wouldn't have fired him

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

If the Lakers agreed with you - they wouldn't have fired him

He was also a dinosaur who failed to deliver what he promised in the agreed upon time period.

Doesn't mean he did a bad job. How many other GMs delivered 5 NBA titles?

 

[bksballer89]

The Bulls are a joke

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

The Bulls are a joke

Perfect example of the change in times.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

He was also a dinosaur who failed to deliver what he promised in the agreed upon time period.

Doesn't mean he did a bad job. How many other GMs delivered 5 NBA titles?

I credit Jerry West for those first three. Jerry West is the one that signed Shaq and traded for Kobe.

Mitch made a horrible trade when trading away Shaq and got lucky that Kwame Brown had the biggest expiring contract in the NBA at the time. Like I said - Mitch wasn't a bad GM, but He wasn't all that fantastic either

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I credit Jerry West for those first three. Jerry West is the one that signed Shaq and traded for Kobe.

Mitch made a horrible trade when trading away Shaq and got lucky that Kwame Brown had the biggest expiring contract in the NBA at the time. Like I said - Mitch wasn't a bad GM, but He wasn't all that fantastic either

Mitch was the GM during those championship years. He was credited for acquiring vital players that made the championships possible.

 

[Heatles84]

I credit Jerry West for those first three. Jerry West is the one that signed Shaq and traded for Kobe.

Mitch made a horrible trade when trading away Shaq and got lucky that Kwame Brown had the biggest expiring contract in the NBA at the time. Like I said - Mitch wasn't a bad GM, but He wasn't all that fantastic either

Mitch had to trade Shaq. When you publicly scold the owner and tell him to pay you, while coming to camp out of shape and beefing with your young super start (Kobe); it's evident that he had to trade Shaq. Iirc, that trade netted you Odom who was a vital and big part of those two Lakers titles in '09 and '10. So it wasn't that bad.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Mitch had to trade Shaq. When you publicly scold the owner and tell him to pay you, while coming to camp out of shape and beefing with your young super start (Kobe); it's evident that he had to trade Shaq. Iirc, that trade netted you Odom who was a vital and big part of those two Lakers titles in '09 and '10. So it wasn't that bad.

Yes, but then he turned around and traded for Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown. He signed Smush Parker and gave up Caron Butler. His trades took the Lakers into lottery land where they took Andrew Bynum who did help but wasn't that great. True enough that the Lakers signed Ron Artest, but they already had the other guy from the Orlando Trade that helped us win a championship. All in all Mitch made some pretty bad moves over the years. Not all of those moves were the works of a genius. The center piece of the Lakers was Kobe Bryant and lets not forget that their original plan was to rebuild the team over a five year team and they wasn't even trying to build a championship team until Kobe demanded that he be traded.

Quite frankly - I would take Pat Riley over Mitch Kupchak any time.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Mitch was the GM during those championship years. He was credited for acquiring vital players that made the championships possible.

Exactly - All he had to do was maintain the status quo of what Jerry West had already set up. The Lakers had some pretty lean years in between titles - years without being relevant. I liked Mitch Kupchak and was quite surprised when he was fired, but there was an article at the time of his firing that pointed out his bad moves - There were many of them.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Yes, but then he turned around and traded for Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown. He signed Smush Parker and gave up Caron Butler. His trades took the Lakers into lottery land where they took Andrew Bynum who did help but wasn't that great. True enough that the Lakers signed Ron Artest, but they already had the other guy from the Orlando Trade that helped us win a championship. All in all Mitch made some pretty bad moves over the years. Not all of those moves were the works of a genius. The center piece of the Lakers was Kobe Bryant and lets not forget that their original plan was to rebuild the team over a five year team and they wasn't even trying to build a championship team until Kobe demanded that he be traded.

Quite frankly - I would take Pat Riley over Mitch Kupchak any time.

Nobody is comparing GMs! This isn't a "who's better" discussion.

Fact of the matter is Mitch was a great GM who signed some fantastic players who led the team to five championships.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Nobody is comparing GMs! This isn't a "who's better" discussion.

Fact of the matter is Mitch was a great GM who signed some fantastic players who led the team to five championships.

Name them:

Pau Gasol

Carl Malone - did nothing - he was old already
Gary Payton - He was okay, but not fantastic

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Exactly - All he had to do was maintain the status quo of what Jerry West had already set up. The Lakers had some pretty lean years in between titles - years without being relevant. I liked Mitch Kupchak and was quite surprised when he was fired, but there was an article at the time of his firing that pointed out his bad moves - There were many of them.

Jerry West didn't sign or trade for Glen Rice, Robert Horry, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol and Ron Artest. Mitch did. All world class players who contributed to championships.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Name them:

Pau Gasol

Carl Malone - did nothing - he was old already
Gary Payton - He was okay, but not fantastic

Glen Rice
Robert Horry
Lamar Odom
Ron Artest

And Karl was spelled with a K, junior.