Stafford 92mg and 27m per season

[Krusheasy]

Detroit's stupidity has fucked up the QB market.

not really ... the cap has increased.

The % of the cap QBs earn has stayed the same.

nothing has changed

in 2012 the salary cap was 120

manning earned 20 per

that was 16.6% of the salary cap

that 16.6% number should remain constant

so todays highest paid QB should be able to demand 27.8 per ...

 

[jdwills126]

If Stafford isn't worth that much, Cousins isn't either. I think QBs are waaaay overpaid. No reason why Mike Glennon is making $15 mil a year. No reason why Jay Cutler is making $10 mil this year and I can't see a reason why Stafford is getting paid as much as he is. Barely hanging on to a playoff spot is not worth $135 mil.

Agree.

But when playing the game below average Abs get 17 million the bar is set. Stafford won't hold the distinction very long.

I like the way baseball does things. Controllable players and save cash then make an informed decision. The bottom line is you have to have a QB and you pay what the market dictates until such time as teams go the Russel Wilson, Das Prescott route and save cash that spends on talent elsewhere.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Agree.

But when playing the game below average Abs get 17 million the bar is set. Stafford won't hold the distinction very long.

I like the way baseball does things. Controllable players and save cash then make an informed decision. The bottom line is you have to have a QB and you pay what the market dictates until such time as teams go the Russel Wilson, Das Prescott route and save cash that spends on talent elsewhere.

The Wilson/Prescott route rarely works & there are way more misses then hits for QBs in the draft. Even top picks are crap shoots - later picks can work but no way you can depend on that method. Beyond that - eventually you have to pay top $$ for these guys - this is exactly what is going on w/ Cousins rt now. Also - there is no guarantee that Prescott will continue to thrive moving forward - we will see.

BTW - a lot more high $$ busts in baseball than in football & they have to pretty much pay 100% of the money regardless unlike the NFL.

 

[gkekoa]

wait the Detroit game was better odds with Stafford having the ball with almost 2 minutes to play vs a 35 yard Fg?

Detroit got the ball down four with 65 seconds to go in the game with 75 yards to go. Yes they had two timeouts to go.

You can find the odds of us winning that game here. After the TD, it was 91.8 percent chance of winning. Now, I actually think the odds are even greater that we win that game because I would love for you to show me a couple of games with similar scenarios over the last two seasons.

In 2016, there were 294 FGs attempted between 30-39 yards with 279 being made. That is a 95% chance of making it.

Now think about it. We lost two games where we had a 95% and a 92% chance of winning last season. Yes the fault goes to the defense because they blew a 92-99% sure thing. That trumps a 50/50 game or two.

 

[Yo Tee]

You think McCoy is the second best backup in the league? Really?

NFC East...all backups are equal.
Cardinals, Packers, Vikings, Saints Indy, Baltimore, Miami, and Buffalo are equal.

TB, Carolina, Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Tennessee, Jax, Pitt, Cindy, KC, NE, and Denver are better.

Just my opinion here. That being said, unless you are NE, you are screwed if you are counting on your back up.

IDK, I saw him fill in for RG3 and I saw him play in Cleveland and he honestly wasn't bad. Probably one of the best Cleveland Browns QBs in the last 16 years but that's also not saying much lol.

Obviously Jimmy G is first. The only backup I would argue is better than Colt McCoy is Drew Stanton from Arizona. Did good filling in for Palmer I think it was two years ago. I do think, however, that DeShaun Watson has the best potential out of all the backups but I can't say he's the best backup without seeing him play in an NFL game, not preseason. We can definitely agree that unless you are the Pats, you're fucked if your starter goes down haha

 

[gkekoa]

IDK, I saw him fill in for RG3 and I saw him play in Cleveland and he honestly wasn't bad. Probably one of the best Cleveland Browns QBs in the last 16 years but that's also not saying much lol.

Obviously Jimmy G is first. The only backup I would argue is better than Colt McCoy is Drew Stanton from Arizona. Did good filling in for Palmer I think it was two years ago. I do think, however, that DeShaun Watson has the best potential out of all the backups but I can't say he's the best backup without seeing him play in an NFL game, not preseason. We can definitely agree that unless you are the Pats, you're fucked if your starter goes down haha

Who would you rather have on your team, not just a made up position of backup QB? Deshaun Watson, Pat Mahommes, Paxton Lynch, or Mitchell Tribisky?

I would say Cassell, Schaub, Anderson, and Fitzpatrick have proven to be far superior to McCoy.

Landry Jones and Chad Henne are about the same as McCoy.

McCarron is definitely better.

 

[Yo Tee]

Who would you rather have on your team, not just a made up position of backup QB? Deshaun Watson, Pat Mahommes, Paxton Lynch, or Mitchell Tribisky?

I would say Cassell, Schaub, Anderson, and Fitzpatrick have proven to be far superior to McCoy.

Landry Jones and Chad Henne are about the same as McCoy.

McCarron is definitely better.

I'd rather have Deshaun Watson on my team. I think he's the future of the Houston franchise if he stays there.

I can't see Fitzpatrick on the same level after his stint in New York. 2015 was good but 2016 was pretty bad. Derek Anderson has only started 4 games since 2011. 2014 he was good but last year he was baaaad. 5 INTs in 5 games with 2 TDs. Matt Cassel is a shell of what he was with Kansas City and New England. Landry Jones down right sucks. I don't understand why we are keeping him around. Nothing about him is impressive.

I also don't understand the hype for AJ McCarron. He's a decent QB but people all over this forum talk about him like he's the best Aaron Rodgers or something. I don't see the appeal of the guy and history isn't on his side either. Usually, Alabama QBs suck in the NFL lol.

If we are going by potential, then I'd have Garoppolo, Watson and Mahomes ahead of McCoy definitely.

 

[Sharkinva]

If we are going by potential, then I'd have Garoppolo, Watson and Mahomes ahead of McCoy definitely.

Watson and Mahomes are not available to the Skins, And Grappalo is going to cost at minimum $20M a year just because of the way the QB market is right now. I have said this to Skins fans, and I will say it to you.... $20M a year for a guy with less than five starts, coming from one of the best teams in the league. Darth Hoody has shown he could put a used mop in a wheel chair at QB and still manage 10 wins. Grappalo screams Oswieler 2.0 in my book.

If the Redskins are going to completely start over at QB, they might as well go all in and make a move for one of the rookies. If nothing else the fan base will be fooled for a season or two, Dan Snyder will get the arm candy he wants, and Bruce gets to say he didnt pay Kirk Cousins in the end.

 

[Yo Tee]

Watson and Mahomes are not available to the Skins, And Grappalo is going to cost at minimum $20M a year just because of the way the QB market is right now. I have said this to Skins fans, and I will say it to you.... $20M a year for a guy with less than five starts, coming from one of the best teams in the league. Darth Hoody has shown he could put a used mop in a wheel chair at QB and still manage 10 wins. Grappalo screams Oswieler 2.0 in my book.

If the Redskins are going to completely start over at QB, they might as well go all in and make a move for one of the rookies. If nothing else the fan base will be fooled for a season or two, Dan Snyder will get the arm candy he wants, and Bruce gets to say he didnt pay Kirk Cousins in the end.

If the choices are to either pay Kirk Cousins like he's actually a successful QB or draft one, I would say...start tanking now. Make sure you can get a top 3 QB in 2018. I think it would be a HUUUGE mistake to pay Cousins that much. Look at Brock Osweiler. 14-9 as a starter and he was okay filling in for Peyton. Huge disappointment last year after definitely getting overpaid by Houston. If you can't beat a rookie for the starting job of the Browns, you got some issues. I don't even know if Cousins is worth what he's getting paid right now. He's the 5th highest paid QB in the league behind Stafford, Carr, Brees and Luck. In my opinion, only one of those guys has earned their paycheck.

 

[gkekoa]

I'd rather have Deshaun Watson on my team. I think he's the future of the Houston franchise if he stays there.

I can't see Fitzpatrick on the same level after his stint in New York. 2015 was good but 2016 was pretty bad. Derek Anderson has only started 4 games since 2011. 2014 he was good but last year he was baaaad. 5 INTs in 5 games with 2 TDs. Matt Cassel is a shell of what he was with Kansas City and New England. Landry Jones down right sucks. I don't understand why we are keeping him around. Nothing about him is impressive.

I also don't understand the hype for AJ McCarron. He's a decent QB but people all over this forum talk about him like he's the best Aaron Rodgers or something. I don't see the appeal of the guy and history isn't on his side either. Usually, Alabama QBs suck in the NFL lol.

If we are going by potential, then I'd have Garoppolo, Watson and Mahomes ahead of McCoy definitely.

Fitzpatrick has proven to be better than McCoy. He was horrible last season on a horrible team.

Anderson brings an arm to the table. McCoy lacks that.

Cassell has proven to be better than McCoy.

Jones is the same type of player as McCoy...no business seeing a game.

McCarron has looked good when given the opportunity. That is why he is hyped. Nobody is saying he is Rodgers but he has a pedigree of success.

 

[Sharkinva]

If the choices are to either pay Kirk Cousins like he's actually a successful QB or draft one, I would say...start tanking now. Make sure you can get a top 3 QB in 2018. I think it would be a HUUUGE mistake to pay Cousins that much. Look at Brock Osweiler. 14-9 as a starter and he was okay filling in for Peyton. Huge disappointment last year after definitely getting overpaid by Houston. If you can't beat a rookie for the starting job of the Browns, you got some issues. I don't even know if Cousins is worth what he's getting paid right now. He's the 5th highest paid QB in the league behind Stafford, Carr, Brees and Luck. In my opinion, only one of those guys has earned their paycheck.

The thing is, a rookie means we are starting over.. period. It also means that that prime draft pick (or picks) we could be using to improve the defense, are now being thrown at a QB simply to chase elite. How long does this team need to pay for fucking up on the Griffin trade. Cousins isnt elite, but he is good enough that we shouldnt be throwing draft picks at the position. And the way the market is, a QB in next years free agent market is going to start in the $20M range unless its a stop gap older backup type. And Dan cant afford to tank a season, the fan base would revolt. Trust me the last thing dan wants to see is another stretch where Skins tickets are getting scalped for $15 on game day because no one wants to go to the games.

 

[Kendall Eberhardt]

The reason why you pay cousins is because with a rookie or some other free agent the guarantee is way more risky. You know what you have with cousins and you don't know what you have with anyone else you bring in. I think we can all agree that we'd rather pay cousins and hope he improves to be a top 10 QB rather than draft a rookie or bring in fitzmagic and hope they are better.

 

[Sharkinva]

The reason why you pay cousins is because with a rookie or some other free agent the guarantee is way more risky. You know what you have with cousins and you don't know what you have with anyone else you bring in. I think we can all agree that we'd rather pay cousins and hope he improves to be a top 10 QB rather than draft a rookie or bring in fitzmagic and hope they are better.

Cousins statistically has been a top ten QB the last two years. The rub is that he isnt elite, and apparently paying him what it will cost is reserved for elite QBs, or younger QBs one expects to become elite.

 

[Kendall Eberhardt]

Cousins statistically has been a top ten QB the last two years. The rub is that he isnt elite, and apparently paying him what it will cost is reserved for elite QBs, or younger QBs one expects to become elite.

I agree, however I think cousins fits the mold of a younger QB one expects to become elite and thats why you pay him.

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree, however I think cousins fits the mold of a younger QB one expects to become elite and thats why you pay him.

I tend to agree with you here. But I think people have some misgivings about Cousins. Plus lets face it, our fan base has been conditioned to go for name recognition and flash factor first and foremost. And Cousins just aint sexy enough to prevent some from wanting a Grappalo, or McCarron, or Darnold over him.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

draft another qb let kirk walk

 

[Kendall Eberhardt]

I tend to agree with you here. But I think people have some misgivings about Cousins. Plus lets face it, our fan base has been conditioned to go for name recognition and flash factor first and foremost. And Cousins just aint sexy enough to prevent some from wanting a Grappalo, or McCarron, or Darnold over him.

Unfortunately you are right. Why this Fan base is set on that premise I don't know. We need to change that thought process. I am excited to see what this year holds and am hopeful that cousins turns into that sexy option everyone covets.

 

[Kendall Eberhardt]

draft another qb let kirk walk

Really?? you want to start over again??

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Really?? you want to start over again??

why not its not like kc is a elway or manning type we are just spinning our wheels with kc 8-8 at best this year wow

 

[Sharkinva]

Unfortunately you are right. Why this Fan base is set on that premise I don't know.

Might have something to do with the fact that since Dan Snyder bought the team, the most exciting part of the season for Skins fans has been the off season. Where we spend big, make sexy draft moves, and get all excited. Kirk was never a big name (well until the Skins tagged him back to back). Even with the tag, there are sexier options. And I honestly dont see that changing enough to make him the guy.