Stafford 92mg and 27m per season

[j_y19]

I agree that Stafford is not that caliber QB. You know what's fucked up about the QB position now? Teams aren't paying top dollar for greatness. Teams are paying top dollar for competent/decent QBs now.

Wait til you see what a great QB gets next year with Rogers. Now that will be top dollar and pale in comparison to what Stafford (or even KC) gets.

 

[j_y19]

IF I had to choose, and these were my only choices, I guess i would go with McCarron only because he is younger and has the better Arm. But neither would have me making plans to buy Super Bowl tickets.

I agree.

 

[j_y19]

McCarron, like Cousins will do well in a system suited to his talents, maybe not deep playoff or SB well (that would depend on other aspects of the team being really good)Apparently, Cousins is being paid because this is the standard that he's being compared to: (All ring of fame honorees huh?)

Robert Griffin III
Colt McCoy
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Jason Campbell
Mark Brunell
Todd Collins
Patrick Ramsey
Tim Hasselbeck
Danny Wuerffel
Shane Matthews
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Cary Conklin
Jay Schroeder

Partly true. But he is also going to be paid based on what Stafford, Carr, Smith, Ryan and Palmer got. Those are really his contemporaries right now.

 

[Yo Tee]

McCarron, like Cousins will do well in a system suited to his talents, maybe not deep playoff or SB well (that would depend on other aspects of the team being really good)Apparently, Cousins is being paid because this is the standard that he's being compared to: (All ring of fame honorees huh?)

Robert Griffin III
Colt McCoy
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Jason Campbell
Mark Brunell
Todd Collins
Patrick Ramsey
Tim Hasselbeck
Danny Wuerffel
Shane Matthews
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Cary Conklin
Jay Schroeder

Paying more for the same "success"? Doesn't sound like a good deal to me.

 

[Yo Tee]

Partly true. But he is also going to be paid based on what Stafford, Carr, Smith, Ryan and Palmer got. Those are really his contemporaries right now.

Matt Ryan, Alex Smith and Carson Palmer have earned that money though. Carr, Stafford and Cousins haven't yet.

 

[j_y19]

Kirk Cousins will be getting paid $35 mil next year if he gets tagged again. That is complete fucking bullshit. No way I could understand paying him that much.

I'm not trolling, you're just hung up on the fact that I said he's an Alabama QB and not the fact that I said I haven't seen ANYTHING from the kid for me to say he's a future starter. Garoppolo has 2 starts, but he's played in 17 games. Garoppolo has yet to throw in INT, 68% accuracy with a QBR of 108.6 and he's learning behind possibly the greatest QB of all-time. McCarron has played 7 games, 6 TDs 2 INTs, yeah he's accurate but he's learning behind Andy Dalton who is less than stellar in his own right. My confidence is NOT in McCarron at all. Sorry, I don't see it and haven't for the last 2 years.

Even writers in Cincy aren't high on him...

5 winners and 2 losers from Bengals’ loss to Washington

No one is going to pay KC $35M next year. If the Redskins tag him again, they will cement their position as the laughing stock of the league.

 

[Yo Tee]

Wait til you see what a great QB gets next year with Rogers. Now that will be top dollar and pale in comparison to what Stafford (or even KC) gets.

If Aaron Rodgers doesn't get paid more than Stafford, it's either an injustice on so many levels, or he decided to take less to help the team out.

 

[j_y19]

Matt Ryan, Alex Smith and Carson Palmer have earned that money though. Carr, Stafford and Cousins haven't yet.

Ryan I would agree with, not so much Smith or Palmer. Sure they have had more success, but I would argue that that was as much to do with the supporting cast, not just their performance. Put either of those guys on the Redskins the last 2 years and I don't see them doing anymore than KC did.

Also, contract values are based on what you are going to do, not necessarily what you have done (at least they should be).

 

[Stymietee]

Paying more for the same "success"? Doesn't sound like a good deal to me.

Hey...hey...Hey, now wait a minute, dammit, This is the Washington of Dan Snyder renown, we pay, so others might laugh!!

 

[gkekoa]

Matt Ryan, Alex Smith and Carson Palmer have earned that money though. Carr, Stafford and Cousins haven't yet.

Hold on...how have those guys earned anything?

Matt Ryan has had maybe two really good years spread out over his career.

Palmer has been occasionally good during his career with a myriad of injuries.

Alex Smith...are you kidding me?

 

[Breed]

Wait til you see what a great QB gets next year with Rogers. Now that will be top dollar and pale in comparison to what Stafford (or even KC) gets.

Yeah, we're gonna see the first 150 million dollar man in the NFL soon. Football has ceased to be a team game to an extent imo. Sure, you have a team like the Broncos from a few years ago. They had a great defense, who played top flight ball and led them to a SB, but for most part. Its become a QB and some guys sport.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Yeah, we're gonna see the first 150 million dollar man in the NFL soon. Football has ceased to be a team game to an extent imo. Sure, you have a team like the Broncos from a few years ago. They had a great defense, who played top flight ball and led them to a SB, but for most part. Its become a QB and some guys sport.

Amen. Finding a QB is the single most important factor to a team's success. It's why we see teams tanking for blue chips like Luck and Darnold. Once a team has an above average QB, the last thing they want is to have to go looking for a QB all over again, so they're over a barrel and pay through the nose.

Here's a "history" lesson for you. The NFL HOF includes three former Alabama quarterbacks. Which if I'm not mistaken, is more than any other school.

Now take that little "history" lesson, stuff it in your lunchbox, go home and suck on that a while before you open your mouth with such nonsense again.

Like @SoCalWizFan said, yes, Alabama has the most QBs in the NFL HOF with 3, but none in the last 50 years. The truth is that Alabama hasn't produced a quality NFL starting QB since Stabler graduated in 1967...that's 50 years ago.

 

[gkekoa]

Kirk Cousins will be getting paid $35 mil next year if he gets tagged again. That is complete fucking bullshit. No way I could understand paying him that much.

I'm not trolling, you're just hung up on the fact that I said he's an Alabama QB and not the fact that I said I haven't seen ANYTHING from the kid for me to say he's a future starter. Garoppolo has 2 starts, but he's played in 17 games. Garoppolo has yet to throw in INT, 68% accuracy with a QBR of 108.6 and he's learning behind possibly the greatest QB of all-time. McCarron has played 7 games, 6 TDs 2 INTs, yeah he's accurate but he's learning behind Andy Dalton who is less than stellar in his own right. My confidence is NOT in McCarron at all. Sorry, I don't see it and haven't for the last 2 years.

Even writers in Cincy aren't high on him...

5 winners and 2 losers from Bengals’ loss to Washington

Nobody can understand paying him that. If our front office had a brain, we wouldn't be in this situation. We could have paid him 19 or 24 million per year.

If you think McCoy is the second best backup in the league and he is fighting Drew Stanton for that honor, you are trolling.

Garbage time doesn't count. Grap has the luxury of playing on the best team with the best coach in history. How good was Cassell when he left NE?

 

[Breed]

Like @SoCalWizFan said, yes, Alabama has the most QBs in the NFL HOF with 3, but none in the last 50 years. The truth is that Alabama hasn't produced a quality NFL starting QB since Stabler graduated in 1967...that's 50 years ago.

And if Namath guarantees a victory against the Colts, but the Jets end up failing to deliver. It would be 2 QBs from Bame in the hall. Its not as if he got there on a great career or great career with an awesome W/L record. He guaranteed a W in what is the most pivotal and important game in NFL history as it concerns the merger w/o a question. He wasn't even the best player in the game for the Jets from what I've read. Matt Snell was, but that guarantee put Namath on another level.

 

[Yo Tee]

No one is going to pay KC $35M next year. If the Redskins tag him again, they will cement their position as the laughing stock of the league.

Hold on...how have those guys earned anything?

Matt Ryan has had maybe two really good years spread out over his career.

Palmer has been occasionally good during his career with a myriad of injuries.

Alex Smith...are you kidding me?

Alex Smith is a 2-time pro bowler, taken the 49ers to an NFC title game, brought division titles to both the 49ers and the Chiefs, he's better in the playoffs than he is in the regular season. 6 playoff starts, 60% completion, 12 TDs, 2 INTs. He also has led the Chiefs to 4 straight winning seasons, first time since Joe Montana in the 90s. 10th among active QBs in winning percentage.

He's definitely earned his money more than Stafford and Cousins. You gotta look at the success of these QBs. When you put Stafford, Cousins, Palmer, Luck, Brees, Carr, Ryan and Smith together, you immediately notice that Brees is in another league with his Super Bowl win, playoff and overall success and greatness with the Saints. Guys like Luck, Ryan and Smith standout due to the playoff and overall success of their teams. All three have brought division championships, all three have multiple playoff wins, all three make their teams competitive. Luck and Ryan also stand out due to their individual statistics. Where Alex Smith lacks in individual statistics, he make up for in his playoff play and by leading the teams he's played for to successful winning seasons. Double digit wins in 4 of his last 6 seasons. Single digit interception totals each year since 2010. Smith isn't elite and he's not great, but he's successful and he's earned his paycheck.

 

[Yo Tee]

Nobody can understand paying him that. If our front office had a brain, we wouldn't be in this situation. We could have paid him 19 or 24 million per year.

If you think McCoy is the second best backup in the league and he is fighting Drew Stanton for that honor, you are trolling.

Garbage time doesn't count. Grap has the luxury of playing on the best team with the best coach in history. How good was Cassell when he left NE?

Like I've said, if we are going to include the rookie backups in the mix, McCoy isn't 2nd. He's 5 or 6. Cassel led the Chiefs to a division title in 2010, that's about as good as he's gotten since leaving NE. There's a reason he's played for 4 different teams in 4 years. Because he's not even good enough to be a backup. Garopollo, however, has had 3 years to watch and learn from Brady. Cassel wasn't always the backup in NE. He wasn't the backup til Flutie retired in 06 and he didn't get his first real playing time until Brady got injured and they threw him to the wolves when he only had 39 passes under his belt.

 

[j_y19]

Alex Smith is a 2-time pro bowler, taken the 49ers to an NFC title game, brought division titles to both the 49ers and the Chiefs, he's better in the playoffs than he is in the regular season. 6 playoff starts, 60% completion, 12 TDs, 2 INTs. He also has led the Chiefs to 4 straight winning seasons, first time since Joe Montana in the 90s. 10th among active QBs in winning percentage.

He's definitely earned his money more than Stafford and Cousins. You gotta look at the success of these QBs. When you put Stafford, Cousins, Palmer, Luck, Brees, Carr, Ryan and Smith together, you immediately notice that Brees is in another league with his Super Bowl win, playoff and overall success and greatness with the Saints. Guys like Luck, Ryan and Smith standout due to the playoff and overall success of their teams. All three have brought division championships, all three have multiple playoff wins, all three make their teams competitive. Luck and Ryan also stand out due to their individual statistics. Where Alex Smith lacks in individual statistics, he make up for in his playoff play and by leading the teams he's played for to successful winning seasons. Double digit wins in 4 of his last 6 seasons. Single digit interception totals each year since 2010. Smith isn't elite and he's not great, but he's successful and he's earned his paycheck.

I still stand by my original assertion. you put smith or palmer on the redskins for the last 2 years and they do no more than cousins did. they both need need a stout defense and good running game, neither of which kc had.

 

[gkekoa]

Alex Smith is a 2-time pro bowler, taken the 49ers to an NFC title game, brought division titles to both the 49ers and the Chiefs, he's better in the playoffs than he is in the regular season. 6 playoff starts, 60% completion, 12 TDs, 2 INTs. He also has led the Chiefs to 4 straight winning seasons, first time since Joe Montana in the 90s. 10th among active QBs in winning percentage.

He's definitely earned his money more than Stafford and Cousins. You gotta look at the success of these QBs. When you put Stafford, Cousins, Palmer, Luck, Brees, Carr, Ryan and Smith together, you immediately notice that Brees is in another league with his Super Bowl win, playoff and overall success and greatness with the Saints. Guys like Luck, Ryan and Smith standout due to the playoff and overall success of their teams. All three have brought division championships, all three have multiple playoff wins, all three make their teams competitive. Luck and Ryan also stand out due to their individual statistics. Where Alex Smith lacks in individual statistics, he make up for in his playoff play and by leading the teams he's played for to successful winning seasons. Double digit wins in 4 of his last 6 seasons. Single digit interception totals each year since 2010. Smith isn't elite and he's not great, but he's successful and he's earned his paycheck.

What was the best an Alex Smith offense has been? That is the definition of winning at the QB position. The QB only plays one side of the ball. With all that success, how good were those defenses? Or do you believe Tom Brady wins Super Bowls with the 32nd ranked defense? Should Trent Dilfer be in the HOF? Did he earn a huge contract?

Where is this success you speak of for Matt Ryan with regards to winning?

Luck and Ryan stand out because of statistics? Well, statistically, KC has been better than both.

 

[gkekoa]

Like I've said, if we are going to include the rookie backups in the mix, McCoy isn't 2nd. He's 5 or 6. Cassel led the Chiefs to a division title in 2010, that's about as good as he's gotten since leaving NE. There's a reason he's played for 4 different teams in 4 years. Because he's not even good enough to be a backup. Garopollo, however, has had 3 years to watch and learn from Brady. Cassel wasn't always the backup in NE. He wasn't the backup til Flutie retired in 06 and he didn't get his first real playing time until Brady got injured and they threw him to the wolves when he only had 39 passes under his belt.

Cassell sucks. That is my point. He sucks but has been far better than McCoy in his career. He has been on 4 teams because he competes for a starting gig, something McCoy will never get.

What exactly are you arguing for Garappolo? Are you arguing he is better than McCoy? I agree. Are you arguing he is better than McCarron. I disagree. I am not arguing McCarron is better either though. I am arguing we have no idea because both have been reasonably successful when given the opportunity.

 

[skinsdad62]

the cap arguement doesnt hold any water . the next couple of years we are in great cap shape

fact is stafford is no more proven then KC and stafford has been a starter longer . he has 0 playoff wins and he gets 92 mil GTD .

KC is starting his 3rd year as a starter . he should be better