NFL Draft / College football

[Ray_Dogg]

Stephen Hill - WR - Player

According to Len Pasquarelli of the Sports XChange, NFL scouts believe Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill is a "tad better route runner" than Demaryius Thomas was coming out of school, and the two have "similar characteristics."
Hill and Thomas are compared because they both operated as deep threat receivers in Georgia Tech's incredibly run-heavy triple-option offense. Scouts reportedly believe Thomas was more physical in college, but Hill may be even more advanced. Thomas was the first receiver selected in the 2010 draft. "The size and speed, obviously, are there," an NFC scout said of Hill. "But, outside of ordering up the tape, you don't want to fall all over yourself yet."
Source: CBS Sports
Mar 2 - 2:47 PM

 

[Ray_Dogg]

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[Flyingiguana]

Stephen Hill - WR - Player

According to Len Pasquarelli of the Sports XChange, NFL scouts believe Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill is a "tad better route runner" than Demaryius Thomas was coming out of school, and the two have "similar characteristics."
Hill and Thomas are compared because they both operated as deep threat receivers in Georgia Tech's incredibly run-heavy triple-option offense. Scouts reportedly believe Thomas was more physical in college, but Hill may be even more advanced. Thomas was the first receiver selected in the 2010 draft. "The size and speed, obviously, are there," an NFC scout said of Hill. "But, outside of ordering up the tape, you don't want to fall all over yourself yet."
Source: CBS Sports
Mar 2 - 2:47 PM

i thought thomas was an all around better wr who was a bit raw

 

[I_am_1z]

Not being facetious, but Clyde what's your opinion on Joe Haden's 2nd year in the NFL? Noticed a couple of weeks ago that he had zero interceptions and I've been meaning to ask you. You had him as a lockdown corner - I thought he'd be a decent CB, but no one worth taking in the 1st round. I wanted us to get Syd'Quan Thompson later in the draft (I believe I was lobbying for him in the 3rd round) I had him as only an above average nickel CB (This is when I regarded nickel CBs higher than I admittedly should have).

Joe Haden made the pro-bowl this year and PFF had this to say about Haden in there article after the regular season...

"Haden led the league with 17 PDs, even if he went the entire year without picking one off. The young corner has a massive amount of potential and though he was beaten occasionally this season, could easily become one of the league’s best shortly. Ike Taylor missed out by virtue of being beaten too often and conceding a lot of penalties, even if he does have a tougher role by being asked to track a team’s No. 1 receiver."

 

[clyde_carbon]

Joe Haden has been one of the best young corners in the league. He's a top 5 CB in one or two years.

 

[I_am_1z]

Joe Haden has been one of the best young corners in the league. He's a top 5 CB in one or two years.

I want to see how well he compares with this incoming CB crop in the next two years. Haden as PFF implies doesn't guard the best CB on the field and unlike Carlos Rogers have the task to guy the slot receiver. I don't understand why he gets so much props for his play. Hosley, Jenkins, Heyward, maybe even Gilmore may all be better in coverage than Haden at the NFL level IMO.

 

[numone9er]

I want to see how well he compares with this incoming CB crop in the next two years. Haden as PFF implies doesn't guard the best CB on the field and unlike Carlos Rogers have the task to guy the slot receiver. I don't understand why he gets so much props for his play. Hosley, Jenkins, Heyward, maybe even Gilmore may all be better in coverage than Haden at the NFL level IMO.

I would take Haden over any of those guys. Jenkins may be good in coverage, but Haden doesn't carry the character issues that Jenkins does. The only guy i would have possibly taken over Haden in the past 4 drafts would of been Patrick Peterson. I think you are under estimating his coverage skills.

 

[Flyingiguana]

didn't haden have a rough first year much like peterson did in coverage this season? i'm hoping culliver can take big steps next season. and the way the draft is setting up we might be able to get a decent corner in the 2nd round.

rogers, brown, culliver and bentley will be a solid group against the crazy passing offenses we'll see next year. plus lots of depth just in case goldson knocks someone out

 

[BINGO]

I would take Haden over any of those guys. Jenkins may be good in coverage, but Haden doesn't carry the character issues that Jenkins does. The only guy i would have possibly taken over Haden in the past 4 drafts would of been Patrick Peterson. I think you are under estimating his coverage skills.

Character issues...! Character issues...! Character issues...! blah-blah-blah. Relax man, Jenkins will be a fine pro.

Same thing was said about Jimmy Smith, Mike Williams (Tampa Bay), Carl Nicks, Dez Bryant, LeGarette Blount, etc.

The so called clean guys in college are the ones acting up in the league (Adam Jones, Kenny Britt, David Boston).

Joe Haden only wishes he could be as good in coverage as Janoris Jenkins is. I think you are the one who is underestimating Jenkins' coverage skills buddy!

 

[NinerSickness]

Character issues...! Character issues...! Character issues...! blah-blah-blah. Relax man, Jenkins will be a fine pro.

Same thing was said about Jimmy Smith, Mike Williams (Tampa Bay), Carl Nicks, Dez Bryant, LeGarette Blount, etc.

None of the guys you mentioned had anywhere near the severity of red flags Jenkins has.

The Carl Nicks arrest was 100% B.S.
Dez told a lie. That isn't a character issue on an NFL level.
Blount punched a guy. That's not a character issue on an NFL level.


Williams & Smith had legitimate issues, but even they didn't look as bad as Jenkins does. He also apparently is blaming other people for his problems according to one source I read.

That said I'd still take him at 30 if Konz & Glenn are gone.

 

[Flyingiguana]

if lying was a character issue, that would rule out what 99% of the population in terms of the nfl draft?

 

[BINGO]

None of the guys you mentioned had anywhere near the severity of red flags Jenkins has.

The Carl Nicks arrest was 100% B.S.
Dez told a lie. That isn't a character issue on an NFL level.
Blount punched a guy. That's not a character issue on an NFL level.


Williams & Smith had legitimate issues, but even they didn't look as bad as Jenkins does. He also apparently is blaming other people for his problems according to one source I read.

That said I'd still take him at 30 if Konz & Glenn are gone.

Other than the "Deion Sanders" incident with the NCAA, Dez had issues too. Issues pertaining to his attitude with coaches and making practices. You think the NCAA suspension was the reason why he fell out of the top 10. There were more so called "character issues" on draft day.

Carl Nicks issue was BS and that's my point! Janoris issue is serious but at the same time overly exaggerated and people are making it to be an issue!

Blount punched a guy and had to be restrained. That was the last straw man. Prior to that incident there were talks of him having a me first attitude. What are you saying...? You completely erasing the memories of draft talk in years past.

Mike Williams quit on his team. That to me was extremely serious in my book and raised a bigger flag than Jenkins...

One source!! Seriously? Of all the interviews that took place from senior bowl to the combine and you're basing your opinion on the guy on 1 source? So tell me more about that particular source? I'm interested to hear it. Perhaps it could be Baalke or some other gm, coach, or an owner.

 

[NinerSickness]

The draft isn't an exact science, so position depends on perception. And the perception is that Jenkins is kind of a scum bag. That's a huge red flag. I don't think people are blowing it out of proportion at all. If he didn't have the charecter issues he'd be a top 10 pick. As it stands now he'll probably go in the late teens or early 20's.

One source!! Seriously? Of all the interviews that took place from senior bowl to the combine and you're basing your opinion on the guy on 1 source? So tell me more about that particular source? I'm interested to hear it. Perhaps it could be Baalke or some other gm, coach, or an owner.

No I'm not basing my opinion on that one source. I don't remember where I read it, I'll have to go back and look. It wasn' the only issue on which I base my opnion, but it didn't help him.

 

[BINGO]

The draft isn't an exact science, so position depends on perception. And the perception is that Jenkins is kind of a scum bag. That's a huge red flag. I don't think people are blowing it out of proportion at all. If he didn't have the charecter issues he'd be a top 10 pick. As it stands now he'll probably go in the late teens or early 20's.



No I'm not basing my opinion on that one source. I don't remember where I read it, I'll have to go back and look. It wasn' the only issue on which I base my opnion, but it didn't help him.

And that's the focal point of this discussion, Sick. See Randy Moss, Mike Williams, and Dez Bryant. The team that does end up getting a top 10 talent somewhere in the teens or 20s will get a steal.

The greater he falls the better it is for me and my beloved 9ers. And I hope and :pray2: that it is us!

 

[NinerSickness]

And that's the focal point of this discussion, Sick. See Randy Moss, Mike Williams, and Dez Bryant. The team that does end up getting a top 10 talent somewhere in the teens or 20s will get a steal.

And that's why he's one of only 3 or 4 players whom I'd consider at 30. That isn't including guys like Perry & Poe who should be long gone.

But there's a flip side to that coin. Just as likely that he turns into a Randy Moss is that he turns into a Koren Robinson. You never really know if a guy who gets money for the first time in his life is going to work hard or turn into a Pacman Jones. So the risk is founded.

BTW here are the only option I like for the draft:

1) Konz. Draft him and cut Goodwin.
2) Glenn.
3) Trade back for Ta'amu, Osemele, Allen, Fleener, Thompson (if he's a 3-4 guy), Worthy (dito), Curry, Hosley, Zeitler, etc.
4a) Trade up for Poe
4b) Maaaaaaaybe Hill if they want to swing for the fences.
4c) Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe draft Janoris Jenkins if he's there @ 30. Huge riske.
7) Trade up for Floyd. Again - huge risk.
8) Sign Wallace and forget the 30th pick (and probably the 3rd rounder).

 

[BINGO]

And that's why he's one of only 3 or 4 players whom I'd consider at 30. That isn't including guys like Perry & Poe who should be long gone.

But there's a flip side to that coin. Just as likely that he turns into a Randy Moss is that he turns into a Koren Robinson. You never really know if a guy who gets money for the first time in his life is going to work hard or turn into a Pacman Jones. So the risk is founded.

BTW here are the only option I like for the draft:

1) Konz. Draft him and cut Goodwin.
2) Glenn.
3) Trade back for Ta'amu, Osemele, Allen, Fleener, Thompson (if he's a 3-4 guy), Worthy (dito), Curry, Hosley, Zeitler, etc.
4a) Trade up for Poe
4b) Maaaaaaaybe Hill if they want to swing for the fences.
4c) Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe draft Janoris Jenkins if he's there @ 30. Huge riske.
7) Trade up for Floyd. Again - huge risk.
8) Sign Wallace and forget the 30th pick (and probably the 3rd rounder).

I like them all! except for the tight end piece, despite the fact that we're trading back...

Again, drafting Fleener wouldn't make me overly angry but I would be disappointed.

 

[Flyingiguana]

my draft day scenerio going by walter's mock has us trading back into the 2nd with the skins for their 2nd and 4th so they can grab tannehil. then taking dwayne allen, bentley, ben jones in rounds 2 and 3

 

[4lifer9er]

Hey all, long time poster and reader at the old boards(ESPN).. First time over here. I was wondering what everyone else thought of Robert Turbin? I am very intrigued by the possibility of him for the long term after Frank Gore. I think he runs with good speed through the holes from what I admittedly have seen on YouTube. I was wondering if anyone has seen more of him? I saw him a bit at the Combine and was VERY intrigued. Looked to run with good balance, quick feet and good hands as well. Great size and measureables, although a bit of a slow 3 cone for what I though his feet looked.

 

[NinerSickness]

Welcome to the Hoop' 4life. In just about every way I enjoy it here more than the BSPN forums. Thanks to Ray & Tomik for recruiting me...

my draft day scenerio going by walter's mock has us trading back into the 2nd with the skins for their 2nd and 4th so they can grab tannehil. then taking dwayne allen, bentley, ben jones in rounds 2 and 3

Big Tannehill fan eh? Didn't he have another year of eligibility? If he did I thought he should've used it, but he seems like a solid prospect. I like him a lot more than Ponder & You-probably-think-this-song-is-about-you last year. I'd be fine with using a 2nd on him.

 

[Flyingiguana]

i mean the redskins moving up to 30 for tannehill. we use the skins pick on allen