What to do with Jimmy?

[MrS]

 

[DJ]

Most of it is execution, or lack-there-of...

When I've watched Seattle games......I'm constantly amazed at the plays they call. I think Bevell needs to go.

 

[MrS]

DJ you are new here, but we arent allowed to question the play calling. Its perfect and wonderful but the players always mess it up.

 

[flyerhawk]

DJ you are new here, but we arent allowed to question the play calling. Its perfect and wonderful but the players always mess it up.

Lying isn't helpful

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

The big differences between a WR and TE is that a TE is expected to block bigger people and a WR is supposed to stretch the field.

Jimmy has a lot of talents but he isn't a field stretcher. He doesn't have that kind of speed. If he's put out wide and covered by a CB then you are essentially conceding that he will be covered and hoping the QB can put the ball in a place that the CB can't reach because he is presumably much shorter than Jimmy.

When he would split out wide for the Saints it was usually part of a 4 or 5 receiver set. The whole point was to create matchup problems. But keeping him out wide doesn't make sense.

With his size he doesn't have to be a total burner on the outside though,

Because Jimmy doesn't have the speed to run receiver routes and is not a great route runner to begin with.

He's great value is being mismatched against a slow LB or safety. Or matching up against a corner in space. Pinning him against the sideline or having him run crossing routes takes away almost all of his real value.

Maybe he could be a WR in a spread offense where you can put him all over the field and force bad matchups but not for our offense.

Fade route all day, Jimmy doesn't have to have more speed, just go up and get it... what's a under 6 feet corner gonna do ? They will have to double him and it will open up other stuff... We can't just continue with what were doing, we gotta try it...

 

[flyerhawk]

With his size he doesn't have to be a total burner on the outside though,



Fade route all day, Jimmy doesn't have to have more speed, just go up and get it... what's a under 6 feet corner gonna do ? They will have to double him and it will open up other stuff... We can't just continue with what were doing, we gotta try it...

You don't build your offense to throw contested footballs.

We need the OL to be better and the running game to continue to improve. If we can't do that then PC needs to change the game plan.

 

[jakedog56]

Well he can do that from the TE position. TEs aren't required to be part of the blocking scheme.

I also think his blocking issues are being wildly overblown. I'll take his inconsistent blocking over the nightmare at LT and RG we have been watching.

I agree with you that the OL situation is a mess, which is why blocking support from the TE position becomes more integral. In this instance it is required to become part of the scheme due to the incompetancy if the OL. At this point I would rather have a permanent blocker at the TE position instead of a offensive receiving weapon.

 

[jakedog56]

Offer him to houston for duane brown, straight up.

I would not be adverse to this idea, providing Brown is fully recovered from his quad and knee issues.

 

[flyerhawk]

I agree with you that the OL situation is a mess, which is why blocking support from the TE position becomes more integral. In this instance it is required to become part of the scheme due to the incompetancy if the OL. At this point I would rather have a permanent blocker at the TE position instead of a offensive receiving weapon.

You want us to have 6 OL? Completely disagree with you there.

 

[JMR]

Why is anyone thinking we could get anything beyond a mid round pick for a high priced 1 year rental TE? We certainly aren't trading him for a quality starting offensive lineman 3 weeks into the season.

 

[jakedog56]

You want us to have 6 OL? Completely disagree with you there.

Well, not literally but given the current state of the offensive line I would rather have a solid blocker who stayed at home more often than an elite athlete who we can't use currently because our QB is too heavily pressured.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

You don't build your offense to throw contested footballs.

We need the OL to be better and the running game to continue to improve. If we can't do that then PC needs to change the game plan.

But that forces team to double Jimmy on the outside, because if you don't you can just throw it up to him in certain situations... Giants made a living off that with Burress, Jimmy is around the same height, about and inch taller than Burress.... Man we gotta try something, because right now, it's not working...

 

[flyerhawk]

But that forces team to double Jimmy on the outside, because if you don't you can just throw it up to him in certain situations... Giants made a living off that with Burress, Jimmy is around the same height, about and inch taller than Burress.... Man we gotta try something, because right now, it's not working...

We need to execute better. That's what it boils down to.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Is Marcel Reese a blocking FB? If so, resign him for blocking help and cut Lacy. This could get JG off the line and down the field more. Need to get him more involved in the passing game.

 

[MrS]

Why is anyone thinking we could get anything beyond a mid round pick for a high priced 1 year rental TE? We certainly aren't trading him for a quality starting offensive lineman 3 weeks into the season.

Texans have a huge need for a pass catcher and a LT that is refusing to play. Texans can still win that terrible division and graham jist might make the difference.

 

[chf]

Why is anyone thinking we could get anything beyond a mid round pick for a high priced 1 year rental TE? We certainly aren't trading him for a quality starting offensive lineman 3 weeks into the season.

Because in fantasyville, all trades go in the Hawks favor.

 

[jakedog56]

Because in fantasyville, all trades go in the Hawks favor.

Brown is still holding out on the Texans so what do they have to lose. A trade for Graham could work out very nicely for them and they could work out an extension.

 

[chf]

Brown is still holding out on the Texans so what do they have to lose. A trade for Graham could work out very nicely for them and they could work out an extension.

Because they can have both next season if they want

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

We need to execute better. That's what it boils down to.

True, but we know Jimmy isn't the best blocker, he never will be, he's more of a receiver, and I remember the Saints lining him up as receiver a lot back in the day .... I just read an article where he lined up as a receiver 67 percent of his snaps with the Saints one year...

 

[jakedog56]

Because they can have both next season if they want

......or not. Graham could go anywhere and Brown isn't backing down so far. They could make the trade contingent on negotiating an extension on Graham if they are worried about the one year rental.

It is an interesting hypothetical. With Brown holding out and Graham not fitting it could benefit both teams now.